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    #1325104 Reality Check Thread

    Posted by gizmo on December 08 2011 - 11:44 AM

    Hello everyone. How are you all doing? Great. Why don't you all take a seat here? There is coffee and donuts on the table over there on your left. Help yourselves.

    Now that everyone is settled in, I feel that we need to talk. The Winter Meetings have been pretty exciting so far, huh? Man Pujols and CJ Wilson to the Angles? Who saw that coming?! Pretty sick rotation they'll have next season.

    But we're not here to talk about the Angels. Or Pujols. Or Wilson. Let's talk about the Marlins. It's been unfamiliar territory for us with our club tied to every possible free agent out there. Big names too. And big bodies (literally). At one point it really seemed like we may sign Albert Pujols to play in Miami. Could you imagine? A lineup with Hanley, Stanton, Morrison and Pujols? Wow. That's a lot of home runs right there.

    But we didn't sign Pujols. We didn't sign Wilson. We probably won't sign Fielder.

    But we did sign Jose Reyes. We did sign Heath Bell. We did sign Mark Buehrle. And yet some people are disappointed.

    Right after the World Series ended, and we discussed what our payroll could be and how much we could spend, we were told anywhere between $85 and $100 million. $85 million was probably more likely. What was our hopes? Ehh maybe just Mark Buehrle and some solid bench bats.

    We did get Mark Buehrle. But we didn't get any solid bench bats yet. No we only got Jose Reyes, the guy who just won a batting title, and Heath Bell, one of the top closers in the game right now. We just made Chris Coghlan a bench bat. We have to SETTLE for Gaby Sanchez playing 1B.

    My point is that Marlins fans should be proud of what the organization has done and has ATTEMPTED to do this offseason so far. Take some time to reflect on all of this. And we may not even be done yet. There is still FA pitching possibilities out there. Cespedes could still be a possibility. This has been a benchmark week in club history. We are serious about spending money and making his team a winner. Catch our moves. Cool. International. And so forth.

    It's a proud time to wear these hideous colors.
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    #1289209 Like System

    Posted by Larry on July 25 2011 - 02:56 PM

    Every post can now be "Liked". If you like a post by clicking "Like This" on the right hand side of that post, it gives that specific post a point. Here's a screenshot:

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    The system is meant to highlight good posts so unless a post stands out to you, there's no real reason to use the like feature. Every post with 10 or more points will be highlighted in a thread.

    If people start arbitrarily liking every post, I'll raise that so we don't wind up having every post highlighted but I think 10 should work for now. You can not like your own posts.

    If you could please keep this topic about the Like System, I'd appreciate it as it'd help me go thru any issues on the items easier.

    Make sure and check out all the other new features at this link

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    #1404911 Marlins sign Japanese League pitcher

    Posted by SilverBullet1929 on January 04 2013 - 11:14 AM

    ...sometime on the morning of January 1st, 2013...

    Beinfest: So on the Lotte free agent roster we have Nyugen, Maichinoku, Makinabi, Mathis, Misawa, Muk....

    Loria: Woah woah woah, there's a Mathis in Japan!? SIGN HEEEM!!!

    Beinfest: Um...

    Jennings: Oh god, here we go.

    Loria: This team doesn't go anywhere without having every single baseball-playing Mathis available! Bank on it!

    Beinfest: But...

    Loria: Just do it!

    Hill: Lol, like Nike! Yeah boi!

    Loria: Shut up Pendleton, you're fired!

    Hill: Damnit, dawg!

    Loria: Larry...

    Beinfest: Already on it sir, we're contacting him as we speak, he'll be signed by the end of the week.

    Loria: ::cackles:: Whatcha gonna do when Mathis-Mania runs wild on you, brothers!!!

    Samson: Jeffrey, what's Hill still doing here?

    Hill: ::fumbling through his iPhone at a rapid pace:: Hold up hold up, Google is showing me a Rebecca Mathis, centerfielder on the Oregon Reindeers girls middle school softball team... whaddya think boss?

    Loria: You're rehired, Puckett!
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    #1325379 Juan Carlos Oviedo arrested

    Posted by I Love Me Some Fish on December 08 2011 - 03:13 PM

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    #1385032 Marlins current four year plan breakdown

    Posted by Nny on July 26 2012 - 01:41 AM

    With the trades of late we lost our 2013 starting 2b and 3b, plus two extention candidate pitchers. This post is going to be looking at where we currently are with money and production on the field, what holes need to be addressed, the resources we have to address the holes, and future considerations we need to make while addressing the holes.

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    Few notes:
    -* means arbitration eligible/guess payroll
    -Replacement level team is worth 48 wins, so add 48 to the WAR total for total team wins
    -Those WAR numbers are very rough, as are minimum numbers - Some $ will be added to the likes of Stanton and such - But this is meant as a rough view and not completely 100% accurate. Just enough to paint a picture.
    -If they're making the minimum, their name really doesn't matter (This especially goes for bench/bullpen). It's just used as a filler piece since it's already rather interchangeable.

    2013

    So going into this off season, we'll have about 25m to spend and need roughly 13 wins to buy 3 positions (Let's throw another 1 WAR at the bench and just make an average of 4 WAR needed per position) in order to get to 90 wins.

    They could probably fit something like:
    Angel Pagan 2/14 2.5 WAR (Trade him after year 1, ease Yelich in carefully, or basically have a 4 man OF rotation if Stanton's knee never gets better)
    Kelly Johnson 1/6 2 WAR
    CF of choice out of the four 4/48 4 WAR

    Which would give us a 100m payroll and we're looking at about 86-87 wins. Not terrible and a break out from Turner, Morrison (I'm already being pretty lenient with his WAR, hoping his defensive woes stop with the move to 1b), Eolvadi, Nolasco (:lol), or whoever would put us where we'd need to be (90+ wins), but it's not incredibly promising.

    In other words, playing for 2013 with the roster as is isn't a terrible idea but it's not a great one either. Being able to ditch Bell and Nolasco before this deadline would give us another about another 38 million total to play with (I.E. a 4 year, 9.5m per contract). With that we could buy a SP to replace Nolasco with better production (2ish WAR) and just replace Bell from within/MILB FA.

    This would also really help us after 2013 since we'd only have Buehrle going forward if we don't re-up JJ.

    We could also optimally trade John Buck before the deadline and save about 9.5m, and then spend about 3-4m on a C that would give equal production and spend the rest on an upgraded bench.

    If we can ditch Buck, Bell, and Nolasco's contracts and get nothing in return it's a huge, huge upgrade for us and something that greatly needs to be looked at doing.

    2014

    This team will likely be very similar to 2013. CF and 3B still need to be filled but Yelich should be ready by then. Some upgrade via free agency I would really like are:
    -C (Throwing a rookie C out opening day who hasn't been all that good in the minors isn't likely a good idea, get a RH veteran behind/ahead of him)
    -SP (WAY too many young guys. However Fernandez and Conley should be ready to come up around mid season and could even be opening day starters.).

    If filling CF and 3b is about 20m total, that gives us about 10m for the above things. We are again looking like a mid to upper 80's win team that needs a break out to be a playoff contending team.

    2015

    Still a hole at 3b and now we lost Bonifacio to free agency so that's two IFers needed with nothing currently in the system.

    We could save a good bit of money by clearing the bench and the bullpen (Replacing Sanchez, Ruggiano, Webb, Dunn and Leblanc with minimum guys saves about 5m). Hopefully by this point Brantly/Realmuto can handle the C and Yelich doesn't Hermida/Logan. Also still very young SP rotation, getting a veteran 5 not a bad idea.

    But again, looking like a mid to uppers 80s win without a break out

    2016

    Last year of Logan, Stanton, and Cishek if no extensions and last year of pre-arb probably for Yelich and likely a bunch of SP. Buehlre is now gone at this point, so we would really need a SP break out at this point. Same holes as previous years, nothing changed.

    TL;DR

    We're currently set up as a ~.500 team that currently has several positions to fill. If we stick around 100m payroll and fill those holes efficiently, we are probably a mid-to-upper 80s team without a break out from one of our players. Dumping Nolasco and Bell before trade deadline helps considerably.

    Makes me think more highly of a JJ trade although still only if it's an ace ransom
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    #1343462 Buehrle's excuse for his bad inning

    Posted by BenderRobot on April 09 2012 - 08:10 PM

    The mayonnaise companies are going to be in an outrage about this. Buehrle is gonna have to apologize publicly, he might even get shot during the apology. You guys wouldn't know, you weren't in the mayonnaise companies.
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    #1452882 10/25/2003 (and why I am watching the Marlins again)

    Posted by Sirspud on April 06 2014 - 12:15 AM

    I will always remember the date. It was the last time any of my favorite sports teams won a championship. It was really the first time in my adult life. But it wasn't just the Marlins victory that occurred on this day. This was also the day that my sister entered into marriage with a wonderful man, a man who initially the family had a hard time accepting for reasons difficult to summarize. We later realized that despite our misgivings, my sister truly loved this man, and despite his faults he was an exceptionally caring and loving man who would rest at nothing to make her happy. He became a beloved member of the family, and the one man that I could say without a doubt would be there if you needed something. He has been a tremendous father to the two children they have birthed. After joyously enjoying the first wedding of my adult life, the first time I got to see a close friend or sibling married, numerous extended family retired to our home to watch the world series with us. It was an amazing experience getting to celebrate both events at the same time.

    On Monday morning my sister's husband passed in a manner that initially appeared to be a suicide but, given some serious medical issues he was having, may have actually been a horrific accident suffered due to a severe seizure (the coroner has yet to make a ruling pending a great deal more evidence being collected, but much of it points towards the latter). This is perhaps the most difficult thing I've ever experienced in my life. His character was beyond question, and in its own way my sister's family was a fairytale romance. I can't imagine any man ever being a better love for my sister, or a better father for my niece and nephew.

    This tragedy has brought me back to the time when they officially became a family. A time when my life was much different, and a time when I was still relatively in my youth, of which the Marlins were such a big part. I never thought I could love the Marlins again, after the way the organization has practically abused its fan, and after the FLORIDA Marlins, with their teal color and an awkward but colorful stadium, seized to exist, but I really want to love the Marlins again. To do so would bring back a small part of a life that I will never get back. If even 11 years later and well into adulthood my youth still wasn't really dead, it died when my sister's husband left behind two children and a sister who will need my constant love, support, and participation in their lives to make it through. I want that connection with my youth, which was also connected with the Marlins winning (at least at one point), and in their first couple games I've seen a spark that probably won't be sustained, but still shows that this club has potential if the players can player up to that. I know it is wishful thinking, but it would be magical if the Marlins could have a meaningful season. I've been watching games, reading box scores, and all the like every time the Marlins play, which I haven't done in some time.

    I know this post is less about the Marlins and more about my personal loss, but I wanted to share this personal story. I doubt any of you could imagine that baseball could take on such an emotional significance, but there is something cathartic about rooting for the Marlins to win in hopes that it will make this whole shocking and devastating tragedy make a little more sense.
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    #1414689 dish

    Posted by floridafly on April 12 2013 - 08:27 PM

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    #1324258 . . . Soooo . . . Hanley and 3B?

    Posted by yokofox33 on December 07 2011 - 06:18 PM

    Playing dominoes? What a prick

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    This picture clearly demonstrates how much of an a-hole Hanley is. Notice how he is sitting on the couch while everyone is on generic folding chairs? What a douche.

    Also, the chair to the left of him is empty which symbolizes that he refuses to "play" on the left side of anybody, i.e. no 3rd base. And the bat is there because he likes to beat his daughter with it when she gets out of hand.
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    #1323855 Who Has Liked How Many Posts?

    Posted by Larry on December 04 2011 - 10:58 PM

    dim is handing out likes in this thread like the Marlins hand out money to free agents.
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    #1471846 2014 MLB Draft Thread

    Posted by squall on June 05 2014 - 02:15 PM

    All that I've taken from this exchange is that wildcard and spike can both count to 4.
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    #1328924 Carlos Zambrano Acquired

    Posted by gizmo on January 04 2012 - 06:03 PM

    I think I'm more excited about his ability to hit.


    The Gatorade cooler isn't
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    #1314162 Pujols to Angels

    Posted by squall on December 07 2011 - 02:49 PM

    We need a scapegoat...

    Get Squall! Tie him up!

    Jokes on you I like being tied up!
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    #1311724 Pujols to Angels

    Posted by gizmo on December 06 2011 - 02:40 PM





    I'm also hearing that Samson grabbed his crotch and Beinfest saluted. Still not sure how to interpret...


    I want to know what Mike Hill was doing, he may be the key to the mystery.


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    #1304450 Braves Collapse

    Posted by CajunMarlin on September 27 2011 - 06:29 AM

    Is it just me or do y'all agree that watching Freddy and Dan go down in flames and miss the playoffs would take just a smidgeon of sting off this season?
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    #1264093 Stadium Name To Be Revealed Whenever They Feel Like It

    Posted by squall on December 06 2011 - 01:42 PM

    SEC Park
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    #1481832 7/8 Post Game

    Posted by SongInTheAir on July 08 2014 - 11:28 PM

    Mike Dunn has 7 wins. Take that, haters. 

    #voteWinsMcDunn


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    #1397405 Ozzie, majority of coaches dismissed

    Posted by mrchainsaw on October 23 2012 - 02:47 PM

    Yes, because changing managers every freaking season is certainly a formula for success.
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    #1390044 Hayes to AAA, Brantly selected

    Posted by Larry on August 12 2012 - 03:08 PM

    Rob Brantly will join the team tomorrow.
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    #1311667 Pujols to Angels

    Posted by Larry on December 06 2011 - 02:23 PM

    Is anyone else snapping their fingers right now?! I'm trying several variations to see which sounds positive.
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