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Marlins to sign Furcal

Discussion in 'Miami Marlins' started by gizmo, Dec 5, 2013.

  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Sun

    I don't know the answers to those questions, but they are better options.

    Uribe can always shift when/if Moran is ready. There is also Infante, who would have been perfect here as a SS/3B. Seemed realistic after the Saltalamacchia signing.
  2. Anonymous

    Anonymous Sun

    Depends on Uribe's bat. He's a damn good defender but can't really hit. He had a good year last season but on a contract year.
  3. Wild Card

    Wild Card Batting Third

    He had a -1.3 WAR last year and -2.4 in 2012.

    WHY!?!?!?!?
  4. dim

    dim President of the Robert Andino Fan Club.

    If I gave you a starting infield of...

    1B: Morrison
    2B: Furcal/Solano
    SS: Hechavarria
    3B: Dietrich

    Would you initially guess that this is a starting infield for the Miami Marlins on opening day 2014, or the starting infield of the New Orleans Zephyrs on opening day 2014? I would say it should be the latter.
  5. dim

    dim President of the Robert Andino Fan Club.

    Or the Marlins have been too stupid to sign him. He's literally signed for minor league deals and incentive laden deals over the last three or so years. A guy in Chavez's situation the last few years doesn't get to be choosy about what team he signs with. He goes wherever the best offer is at, and I'm pretty sure that the Marlins never gave him a real offer.
  6. SixYearItch

    SixYearItch Grasshopper

  7. el penguino

    el penguino Marlin

    I don't think this signing improves the team one bit. Furcal is 36 and he sucks now.
  8. el penguino

    el penguino Marlin

    Reading through this thread, I'm really surprised at the overwhelmingly positive reactions here. Furcal isn't very good, people. This signing is nothing to be excited about.
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2013
  9. Plenty of guys do not have trouble being productive at 36. One thing Furcal has always been is in great shape. I see no reason why he cant hit .275 + with solid defense and some stolen bases.

    Dont forget in 2012 he was the starting shortstop on a very good Cardinals team.
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  10. Hotcorner

    Hotcorner Teal Avenger .

    it's just sort of an "eh" move. Glad it's just a year, so okay I guess. I don't know if it makes them much better, mostly just buys them another year of looking for a long-term infielder.

    I'd feel better if he were healthier. Dunno. I sort of hope 3b might work out for Dietrich better if his range is as much of an issue as some are saying at 2b. But then he wouldn't last there anyway with Moran coming up. I don't think the DBacks are going to let Chavez get away, Reynolds went to the Yanks, and they probably don't want to commit a long deal with Uribe, so maybe they just gave up finding a 3b.

    Ideally Furcal holds it together for a year and is a little better than what Solano gives you at 2b.
    Meanwhile Dietrich plays an average 3b, hits enough to stick around. Then they shift him to 2b and take whatever defense he can manage.
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2013
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  11. el penguino

    el penguino Marlin

    None of that makes logical sense.
  12. Why doesn't that make logical sense? He is not that old and plenty of guys are productive at his age. He is always in good shape which is an advantage and hence I see no reason why he cannot hit .275 + with solid defense and some stolen bases. Logical?
  13. el penguino

    el penguino Marlin

    It's illogical to expect him to be productive at 36 just because some other players have been productive at that point. Generally speaking, the majority of players are shadows of themselves by that age. He was already declining in his most recent two years of play.

    I don't know what "always in good shape" means. He didn't even play last season so the Marlins have no idea what to expect from him. His performance in the couple of seasons before the injury was pretty lousy, so you'll have to define "good shape."

    You also aren't explaining where the .275 average comes from (as if batting average even means much anyway). He was putting up a .251/.314/.347/.661 line in 2011-2012. He's two years older now.

    I'm sure that his defense will be acceptable (probably not much better than what Solano can do) but that's about all we can look forward to.
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2013
  14. el penguino

    el penguino Marlin

    Basically Furcal's most recent 900 PAs are only a hair better than what Solano did last season. Furcal is now 2-3 years older, which places him in the retirement age.

    This is the type of signing that perennial bad teams make. There's not much risk here, of course, but don't expect this to really improve the team much at all. It's kind of a pointless move just like signing Polanco was last season.
  15. UltimaKilo

    UltimaKilo Grasshopper

    The only way I don't like the move is if the Marlins declare him the starter before spring. I think Cogs should be brought back to compete for both 2B and 3B. Furcal hasn't played in a couple of years, and he's always been average, at best. While you may think average would be an upgrade, it's gonna be difficult for a 36 year old to come back and produce after a major injury. If he comes back and shows he still has that golden glove and can bat .255, I'm sure the Marlins will get some extra wins.

    Nonetheless, I agree that I'm really pleased the Marlins are holding onto the pitching talent they have.
  16. el penguino

    el penguino Marlin

    He's not going to have "golden glove" defense. His range noticeably tailed off in recent years. I see him as a zero WAR player, give or take.
  17. el penguino

    el penguino Marlin

    I have low opinions of Dietrich and Solano, but I'd rather see one of them start next season, especially since the Marlins are spending $3 million on Furcal. I felt the same way about Polanco last season. The signing had little point and he was reaching the retirement home, so it was basically a waste of playing time and at bats.

    Furcal has the potential to be better than those two, but it's far from certain. I don't think that's enough to spend $2.5 million (beyond the major league minimum) on him.
  18. Wild Card

    Wild Card Batting Third

    Everything Canada said makes perfect sense. All of his thoughts on the subject are logical.

    Furcal CAN BE a shadow of himself AND STILL be productive. I don't know what retard said Furcal has always been "just an average player", he was one of the best SS in the game for quite a while.

    In his prime he was a 6+ WAR player, nobody is expecting to come in here and do that. But I agree with everything he said, Furcal played pretty decent for the Cards in 2012 and his range/arm should be less of an issue at second base. If he can come in and post an OPS around .700 and play above average defense and be a 1 WAR player he was absolutely worth it. If he can't, I can all but guarantee you the team will make an improvement during the year to remedy the situation.

    I do agree he is far from a guarantee, but again, Canada's assumptions are spot on IMO. I do hope they make him compete for the job, though, and they don't just hand it to him.
  19. i like this signing.

    Wild Card: Looks like no one is going to win our bet we made as to whether it's deitrich or solano starting 2b...
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2013
  20. Benched

    Benched Hammerhead

    Lets us focus on primarily getting a 3B at the meetings. Great signing especially if he can fully return to form. I'd be pretty happy with a low .700 OPS. I'm liking this offseason.
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