[Larry]

[Ramp]

classic.

[~Columnist JC~]

I thought it was funny as hell! It really is like our batboy calling out Luis Castiollio for not stealing enough bases. I mean, Manning is an easy Hall of Famer. He hasn't thrown for 4000+ yards only once, and he is a 5 year veteran. Plus, the year that he didn't, he was a rookie with 3700 yards. Come on, this is the stupidist callout in the history of sports. They guy is almost Dan Marino for god sakes!

[nobody]

I'm sure Vanderjagt just needed to justify why he was not on the field enough this season. The idea of some stuck up ass that comes on the field about once a quarter or so calling the team leaders out for not doing their job is absolutely insane. Vanderjagt needs to check his own agenda, and his testosterone levels while he's at it. The man needs help.

[Ramp]

Josh Clinton, on Feb 4 2003, 9:55 PM, said:

I mean, Manning is an easy Hall of Famer. He hasn't thrown for 4000+ yards only once, and he is a 5 year veteran. Plus, the year that he didn't, he was a rookie with 3700 yards. Come on, this is the stupidist callout in the history of sports. They guy is almost Dan Marino for god sakes!

i dont think he is an easy HOFer

and

he is no where near Marino...

Hey Vanderjagt's agenda was to make a spark in Peyton.....
----job well done

[~Columnist JC~]

ramp101, on Feb 5 2003, 12:54 PM, said:

i dont think he is an easy HOFer

and

he is no where near Marino...

Are you crazy? Manning is going to be a 50,000 yard QB! He is already the 2nd fastest QB to 20,000 yards (Marino). He's a definate Hall of Famer, even if he gets career ending surgery he will be there. He will be the second best of all time (Marino). I mean, they are the same QB! Both drop back guys who stay in the pocket, with the beautiful spiral deep bullet that goes just over every defenders head and right into the reciver's arms.

He is the next Marino. Statistically the best in the NFL since his second season! But no ring.....

[Ramp]

and no playoffs wins.....

Peyton is awesome but he isnt a sure HOFer

[~Columnist JC~]

Would you deny Marino the Hall of Fame because he didn't get a ring? NO! That's the same reason that Payton will make it. The Hall doesn't look at your playoff record or ask how many super bowls you won. If you put up the numbers, you are in Canton. Thats it. I think that Terrell Davis should be in there too. If he didn't get injured, he would still be rushing for 1500+ yards a year! The guy was a sixth round pick, and I would say the best pick past the fifth round of all time besides Zach Thomas and Jonny Unitas.

[Ramp]

no i wouldnt deny Marino in the HOF

but

Peyton has played 5 years, he puts up nice stats, but has done jacksquat in the playoffs...

he isnt a lock for the Hall, but eventually he would be in the HOF...not now though

[~Columnist JC~]

No, he doesn't put up " Nice stats", he puts up the best stats year in and out. He is a 5 year veteran who is a lock for the hall of fame. He is! The second fastest qb to 20,000 yards! Thats got to count for something! Right? Marino never did much in the playoffs anyway,plus, Manning probably has another 10 years ahead of him anyway.

[nobody]

Josh Clinton, on Feb 6 2003, 10:06 PM, said:

No, he doesn't put up " Nice stats", he puts up the best stats year in and out. He is a 5 year veteran who is a lock for the hall of fame. He is! The second fastest qb to 20,000 yards! Thats got to count for something! Right? Marino never did much in the playoffs anyway,plus, Manning probably has another 10 years ahead of him anyway.

First of all, 5 years is nothing. 2nd fastest to 20k yards is good, but not everything. And what happens if he does not have another 10 years? What if an injury in the preseason ends his career in 2003 (it is not what I want to see, just a hypothetical question?)
The point is, Manning is not a HOF candidate until he puts up a career, not just 5 very good years.
And if you don't believe me, just ask Vanderjagt.

[~Columnist JC~]

I think he is a Hall of Famer if he ends his career now! Look at Bart Starr, never hit 30,000 yards and played 13 years or something like that. They would look at the career that would have been for him.......55,000 yards, 375 TD, 60 Comp. %. They see his stats from now and would say, he would have been one of if not the best QB of all time. He is a Hall of Famer right now. Don't try me on football, this is where I can get into it.......

[nobody]

Josh Clinton, on Feb 6 2003, 10:24 PM, said:

Don't try me on football, this is where I can get into it.......

Don't try me, I've only been into it for 30 years longer than you.
Manning is not a HOF now, later he probably will be, but not now.
Starr played during a completely different era of football and the way it was played.
You are basing your arguement on passing yards. Manning plays in the era of the pass, Starr was in the run era (which make his stats more impressive for his time.)
Just as baseball has now turned to a more open offense (longball,) so has football with a much more pass oriented attack on offense.

[~Columnist JC~]

Now, you may have been around longer, but I know my History. When you have the greatest offensive mind of all time as your coach, you got to pass for more than 30,000 yards in 13 years, no matter what era of football. And its not just passing yards, it TD's too. Plus, it's just the highlight reel he has. The Marino throws. He's just too good to leave out of the Hall, even if he left the league right now. He is going to get his ring in the next three years with his improved d and James back leading the league in rushing again. Think of it. James- Leader in rushing Manning- Passing Harrison- Recieving. I study in History............

[nobody]

Josh Clinton, on Feb 6 2003, 10:46 PM, said:

.. but I know my History. When you have the greatest offensive mind of all time as your coach, you got to pass for more than 30,000 yards in 13 years, no matter what era of football.

Just the fact that you made that statement proves you do not know history. You might be able to read it, but you sure do not seem to comprehend it.
You still insist on comparing the late '90's - early '00's to the mid '60's. Two completely different creatures.
As i said, Manning probably will be, but he is not at this point.

[nobody]

[~Columnist JC~]

nobody, on Feb 7 2003, 11:08 PM, said:

Even with those low totals you have mentioned, he still led the league in passing 3 times.

Well, here's my question to you. Would you put Rich Gannon in the Hall of Fame? Around those same totals in a few more years. He's a great QB, just didn't get a ring. Two time Pro Bowl MVP, one time NFL MVP. Would you do it?

[nobody]

First off, a Pro Bowl MVP is nothing since it is just an exhibition anyway.
Gannon has had a few good years, but he will be one of those fence riders if his name comes up for HOF consideration. One thing that could sway the voters is the MVP season. Personally I do not put him in. If he can repeat his success (especially leading his team to, and maybe through, post season) several more times, then he gets in.

[Ramp]

Manning is not a HOFer now..... he could someday be but not now....

same goes for Gannon.....

look at all time stats......give him a few years, not now though....

that's like me saying Corey Dillon is a surefire HOFer.... he could be someday but he isnt right now

[~Columnist JC~]

my final post here. Manning IS a Hall of Famer now, IF a tragic injury forces him out of the game. If not, then not yet. In two years he is.

[nobody]

Josh Clinton, on Feb 11 2003, 8:21 PM, said:

my final post here. Manning IS a Hall of Famer now, IF a tragic injury forces him out of the game. If not, then not yet. In two years he is.

You are contradicting yourself. Injury or no injury. If he is not, then he is not. And at this time, he is not. Period.

[~Columnist JC~]

ur making me write again! if he RETIRED, then he wouldn't make it, but if he got INJURED, he would. If its his fault, then he doesnt make it. if its not, he does.

[nobody]

Josh Clinton, on Feb 11 2003, 8:37 PM, said:

ur making me write again! if he RETIRED, then he wouldn't make it, but if he got INJURED, he would. If its his fault, then he doesnt make it. if its not, he does.

So
if he does something stupid on the field to get injured (which would translate to his fault,) he would not get in.
But
if he develops serious hemorrhoids from constantly being slammed into the hard turf in Indy and is forced to leave the game, he gets in.
Oh yea, all that makes perfect sense.
< pure sarcasm in case you can not see it >
.
Injury or no injury, his numbers to this point do not warrent induction into the Hall. In a few years he probably will merrit that spot, but not just yet.

[~Columnist JC~]

nobody, on Feb 11 2003, 8:47 PM, said:

Josh Clinton, on Feb 11 2003, 8:37 PM, said:

ur making me write again! if he RETIRED, then he wouldn't make it, but if he got INJURED, he would. If its his fault, then he doesnt make it. if its not, he does.

So
if he does something stupid on the field to get injured (which would translate to his fault,) he would not get in.
But
if he develops serious hemorrhoids from constantly being slammed into the hard turf in Indy and is forced to leave the game, he gets in.
Oh yea, all that makes perfect sense.
< pure sarcasm in case you can not see it >
.
Injury or no injury, his numbers to this point do not warrent induction into the Hall. In a few years he probably will merrit that spot, but not just yet.

now ur exagerating the point. there is almost no way u can stupidly injure urself ON the field. and if he did acually develope maybe, some kind of cancer to end his career, then he would still make it. but u get my point

[nobody]

No, I do NOT get your point.
I exaggerated the point on purpose (hence the line "pure sarcasm in case you cannot see it".)
The point is (I am repeating it since you obviously did not bother to read it the last time) :
Injury or no injury, his numbers to this point do not warrant induction into the Hall. In a few years he probably will merit that spot, but not just yet.