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Braves, Cubs Discussing Derrek Lee Trade

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Touchy touchy Braves fan.


It's true: stupidity offends me. I can't help it.
There's nothing healthy about self loathing.

But instead of being an idiot and just insulting me, how about you defend trading away a young SS for an old SS who's not as good defensively or offensively.
I dont see anything wrong with the trade.. He wasn't well liked in the Braves, wasn't playing well. So might as well trade him
But he wasn't playing well for, you know, three months? Trading someone who has been one of the top SS for the last 3 years because he had a bad 3 months? And then trading him for someone 6 years older who's had the best 3 months of his career (which was still below what Yunel did in the previous 3 years)? It's the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do; buy low, sell high. That's what the Jays did, the sold a guy who was hitting way above his head for someone younger and better who was hitting below his head. And since the trade everything's gone just how it was expected, Yunel picked up and Seabass slowed down.
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Your just talking about stats.. He was NOT liked at all in the clubhouse! He had no future with the Braves
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Your just talking about stats.. He was NOT liked at all in the clubhouse! He had no future with the Braves

I'm just talking about stuff that actually wins you baseball games.

Also, even if you want to trade him because of some silly clubhouse stuff, wait til he's hitting and don't trade him for something worse. If they had traded him in the off-season or traded him at the end of the season after his bat came back, it would have worked out way better. Instead they waited til his value was at his lowest and traded him for something who's value was at the highest it would ever be again.
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They officially get Lee. Hopefully he doesn't do well because he was heating up with the Cubs...

Also the Yunel trade was ridiculously dumb which ever way you put it, and they threw in a guy who could be good in JoJo Reyes.
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This is what we call a minor upgrade. A "whatever" trade.

BTW, talking about Braves trades:

Alex Gonzalez: .241/.311/.407
Yunel Escobar: .311/.365/.434

Solid trade Bravos.

Getting rid of a clubhouse cancer is more important than offensive production is.

Toronto is 19-12 since acquiring Escobar. Suggests the "clubhouse cancer" tag may not be all its made out to be as they are playing successfully with him in their lineup. The Braves have an almost identical record at 19-13 since the trade
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we only did this trade because 1. chipper got hurt and won't be back this year, and 2. we didn't want to pay the underachieving glaus nearly a million bucks of extra incentives for more ab's. lee is simply temp help, and we don't see him back next year, as we will have freeman. we'll see if the trade ends up good for us in the short run in the playoffs.
Also the Yunel trade was ridiculously dumb which ever way you put it, and they threw in a guy who could be good in JoJo Reyes.


jojo and yunel probably benefited from a change in scenery. we tried as much as we could with those two, and it wasn't working.
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we only did this trade because 1. chipper got hurt and won't be back this year, and 2. we didn't want to pay the underachieving glaus nearly a million bucks of extra incentives for more ab's. lee is simply temp help, and we don't see him back next year, as we will have freeman. we'll see if the trade ends up good for us in the short run in the playoffs.

Also the Yunel trade was ridiculously dumb which ever way you put it, and they threw in a guy who could be good in JoJo Reyes.


jojo and yunel probably benefited from a change in scenery. we tried as much as we could with those two, and it wasn't working.
You didn't "try as much as [you] could" with Yunel, he played fantastically there for 3 years, had 3 bad months, and you shipped him off.
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we only did this trade because 1. chipper got hurt and won't be back this year, and 2. we didn't want to pay the underachieving glaus nearly a million bucks of extra incentives for more ab's. lee is simply temp help, and we don't see him back next year, as we will have freeman. we'll see if the trade ends up good for us in the short run in the playoffs.

Also the Yunel trade was ridiculously dumb which ever way you put it, and they threw in a guy who could be good in JoJo Reyes.


jojo and yunel probably benefited from a change in scenery. we tried as much as we could with those two, and it wasn't working.
You didn't "try as much as [you] could" with Yunel, he played fantastically there for 3 years, had 3 bad months, and you shipped him off.

Yep this. He had 3 solid years as a Brave.
JoJo is more understandable but he's still very young.
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They officially get Lee. Hopefully he doesn't do well because he was heating up with the Cubs...

Also the Yunel trade was ridiculously dumb which ever way you put it, and they threw in a guy who could be good in JoJo Reyes.


Wow. If the ignorance of this group wasn't already proven, certainly it is now. JoJo Reyes could be good. Yeah, and Jeff Francoeur could be a perennial All-Star. Give me a break.

No one in Atlanta is crying over Yunel Escobar. Good luck to the kid, but he was not going to work out in Atlanta. Even if he finds himself again in Toronto, it's simply stupid to think that he would have done the same for the Braves. If anything, Escobar's recent play is an indication that he is much more comfortable in his new environment. If he was still with the Braves he'd probably still have a big fat zero in the home run column.

Unfortunately, there's just no reasoning with certain people about this, especially certain Marlins fans here who seemingly are looking for any excuse they can find to trash the hated Braves, the facts be damned. Which is fine, if that's what makes you happy. But just don't expect the rest of us who are actually familiar with the situation to take your ignorant criticisms very seriously.
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They officially get Lee. Hopefully he doesn't do well because he was heating up with the Cubs...

Also the Yunel trade was ridiculously dumb which ever way you put it, and they threw in a guy who could be good in JoJo Reyes.


Wow. If the ignorance of this group wasn't already proven, certainly it is now. JoJo Reyes could be good. Yeah, and Jeff Francoeur could be a perennial All-Star. Give me a break.

No one in Atlanta is crying over Yunel Escobar. Good luck to the kid, but he was not going to work out in Atlanta. Even if he finds himself again in Toronto, it's simply stupid to think that he would have done the same for the Braves. If anything, Escobar's recent play is an indication that he is much more comfortable in his new environment. If he was still with the Braves he'd probably still have a big fat zero in the home run column.

Unfortunately, there's just no reasoning with certain people about this, especially certain Marlins fans here who seemingly are looking for any excuse they can find to trash the hated Braves, the facts be damned. Which is fine, if that's what makes you happy. But just don't expect the rest of us who are actually familiar with the situation to take your ignorant criticisms very seriously.

I don't hate the Braves but saying that it wasn't smart to trade a 28 year old shortstop who had 3 great years on the team both offensively and defensively for an older Shortstop who cost more money is better or the same defensively and has only had one solid offensive year.
The Braves without a doubt would be a better team in the long run with Escobar rather then Gonzalez, if they keep him after this year.
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They officially get Lee. Hopefully he doesn't do well because he was heating up with the Cubs...

Also the Yunel trade was ridiculously dumb which ever way you put it, and they threw in a guy who could be good in JoJo Reyes.


Wow. If the ignorance of this group wasn't already proven, certainly it is now. JoJo Reyes could be good. Yeah, and Jeff Francoeur could be a perennial All-Star. Give me a break.

No one in Atlanta is crying over Yunel Escobar. Good luck to the kid, but he was not going to work out in Atlanta. Even if he finds himself again in Toronto, it's simply stupid to think that he would have done the same for the Braves. If anything, Escobar's recent play is an indication that he is much more comfortable in his new environment. If he was still with the Braves he'd probably still have a big fat zero in the home run column.

Unfortunately, there's just no reasoning with certain people about this, especially certain Marlins fans here who seemingly are looking for any excuse they can find to trash the hated Braves, the facts be damned. Which is fine, if that's what makes you happy. But just don't expect the rest of us who are actually familiar with the situation to take your ignorant criticisms very seriously.

You mad? You seem mad.
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They officially get Lee. Hopefully he doesn't do well because he was heating up with the Cubs...

Also the Yunel trade was ridiculously dumb which ever way you put it, and they threw in a guy who could be good in JoJo Reyes.


Wow. If the ignorance of this group wasn't already proven, certainly it is now. JoJo Reyes could be good. Yeah, and Jeff Francoeur could be a perennial All-Star. Give me a break.

No one in Atlanta is crying over Yunel Escobar. Good luck to the kid, but he was not going to work out in Atlanta. Even if he finds himself again in Toronto, it's simply stupid to think that he would have done the same for the Braves. If anything, Escobar's recent play is an indication that he is much more comfortable in his new environment. If he was still with the Braves he'd probably still have a big fat zero in the home run column.

Unfortunately, there's just no reasoning with certain people about this, especially certain Marlins fans here who seemingly are looking for any excuse they can find to trash the hated Braves, the facts be damned. Which is fine, if that's what makes you happy. But just don't expect the rest of us who are actually familiar with the situation to take your ignorant criticisms very seriously.
He was bad for THREE MONTHS. You don't he can "find himself again" because he was bad for three months?! Come on. Are you all still that burned Andruw Jones?

You know what that difference is between him and Francoeur, who you mentioned? Francoeur was never that good. He had a good half a season his rookie year and was never good after that, and you all stuck with him for another three years because he was "Frenchy" some local guy from Georgia. Yunel Escobar was, for 3 years, one of the top 5 SS in the league, both offensively and defensively. Then he has 3 bad months and you guys don't know if he can "find himself again"?

This has nothing to do with "trashing the hated Braves", mainly because that's a stupid way to live. I hate being wrong way more than I hate the Braves. Hell, it'd make things very strange considering that Maddux is my favorite pitcher of all time.
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