I dont generally enjoy doing it, as it causes gigantic crap storms and everyone gets angry and feelings are hurt and yadayadayada. But still, occasionally, I do get into these discussions on Facebook. Most of the time out of a completely different discussion. As in my distaste for the slippery slope caused by the hobby lobby ruling(justified, I might add, as we found out the very next couple of flipping days) turned into a religious war when I said pretty much from the get go my feelings on Christianity and abortion and really Hobby Lobby as a whole were not really relevant in the context of what the case and ruling itself represents. But that was pretty much ignored. If nothing else good came out of it, I hope I got them to realize their hypocrisy when they pretty much openly stated that while they demand religious freedom, it is only religious freedom for their religion, others be damned. I actually had to take it to an implausible extreme. They had no more debate left in them, called me a moron, took their ball and went home...or to another thread on facebook dedicated to calling me a moron, narrowminded, and an idiot. Actually, I got a nice message from a stranger the next day, apparently friends with my cousin who was one I was arguing with, thanking me for sticking up for women(ironically, not my intent either...just like the religious debate that it spawned, it was a happy accident), which made me smile.
Having said this, and I say this as a person who has never said God doesn't exist. I am more than open to there being a God. That said, I love pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies in the arguments from young earth creationists. I in general find these arguments to be nothing short of rude, and spiteful, to people who have spent their entire lives devoted to making the world a better place and helping us understand the universe around us. I am also always quick to point out that believing in evolution and atheism are not mutually exclusive, in fact the vast majority of Christians believe in evolution AND an old Earth, and young earth creationism is for the most part fairly unique to American Christians.
But heres why I decided to post this...every week or month or couple of months, a video by some guy that looks like Kevin James, who is a preacher from what I understand, pops up on my news feed. I am not a person who is going to try and change anyones mind or force my beliefs on others, but at the same time I will point out flaws in an argument they are there. The video for this cretin can be found HERE. This video, like I said, pops up quite often and I have quite frankly gotten annoyed with pointing out how dumb it is. Now my cousin deleted the video from her page, so my rebuttal isnt there, but it basically went line item on how he was wrong, right from the start, by pointing out Richard Lenski's e.coli experiment and the bacteria that had evolved to digest nylon show observed evolution; how life evolving slowly over billions of years from a single cell is much more plausible than humanity coming from two individuals, because of the genetic bottleneck that would come with that, the high birthrate/low infant mortality rate that would have to exist for thousands of years that would be greater than what we have now with modern medicine and how this is only further compounded by a worldwide flood(and how there is no evidence for said flood), and how saying "one cell" is kind of spiteful in and of itself because a tiny organism, the amoeba, has a genome 63 billion times larger than a humans; further went on to explain that things being improbable and/or accidental does not mean they are impossible. I pointed out how dismissively trying to lessen the importance of a particular subject by calling it a "just a theory" is ignorant, as science by design has to be testable and falsifiable, and for something to even BECOME a theory it has to go through years of rigorous testing, peer review, etc., pointing out how 400 years after Newton and 500 years after Kepler, gravity and planetary motion are still just theories even though we can observe them and know they are there. I then further iterated that evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life, that is abiogenesis, evolution deals with the diversification of life. I also pointed out his lack of understanding of thermodynamics. I ended by pointing out the irony of him calling the Earth "perfect" as he made this video while driving through Yellowstone, which houses a supervolcano capable of destroying life on earth.
I wasn't hateful, spiteful, the only person I made fun of in the video was the person himself, pointing out he was wrong from his very first sentence, while also noting his resemblance to Kevin James. But, after that long, thoughtful response(which was much longer, this was the abridged version), you know what the only response I got was...I was called a "moron" and greeted with this picture:.
No attempt to refute what I said, just called a moron, given that picture, and when I asked them if they wanted me to provide links to papers, articles, pretty much anything that showed why this guy was a moron, the facebook post was deleted, my Aunt reposted it, and she has now apparently unfriended me from Facebook. This is my own flipping family here.
Anyway, I bring all this up because, well...I realized that no matter what, no matter what piece of evidence you give, no matter how respectively or abrasively you debate your point, anything you say, it just doesnt matter. Nothing will change their point of view, it is a losing proposition. And I am done doing it. And more than anything, I just needed to vent.