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Marlins expected to bump patrol to $75MM for 2015

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I don't care if he's getting older he can still hit and a short term deal would be fine. I thought he played more 1b the last few years thats why i said that but after doing more research he hasn't played much at all. If he could hold up health wise i could care less about his defense after watching garrett jones. Either way, all I'm saying is we can not go into next year without a significant addition to the middle of the lineup.

You're assuming he will sign a short-term deal, an AL team would likely offer more years than any NL team. Health wise, nothing suggests he could hold up over a full season in the field. He can barely hold up as a DH.

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If this team is serious about increasing payroll to 75 million, I would love to have Victor Martinez.

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You're assuming he will sign a short-term deal, an AL team would likely offer more years than any NL team. Health wise, nothing suggests he could hold up over a full season in the field. He can barely hold up as a DH.

how can he barely hold up as DH? He is on pace to play 145 games for the 4th time in 5 years. Or are you just saying that because he is older and trying to help your point without doing any research?

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If this team is serious about increasing payroll to 75 million, I would love to have Victor Martinez.

In theory, his numbers would look great in our lineup. But realistically, really? He would be going to a huge park while aging and be forced to play the field every day. That would be a disaster. I really hope they wouldn't spend money that way. Use that money to lock down Giancarlo, not to sign an aging DH.

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how can he barely hold up as DH? He is on pace to play 145 games for the 4th time in 5 years. Or are you just saying that because he is older and trying to help your point without doing any research?

Dude is 35 years old and has been a DH for years. He hasn't had too many health problems the last two years, but I would like to point out that he missed ALL of the 2012 season ENTIRELY. Did you miss that?

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That doesn't change the fact that we need to trade our valuable chips for a young 1B as badly as we need a blowjob from Rich Waltz. We have a lot more pressing issues than 1B, any combo of Bour/Jensen/Canha should have decent enough success to get by for a while.

I disagree. I think our main priority this off season should be to acquire a middle of the order bat to play first base. I've said before I wouldn't even mind trading Heaney for a middle of the order bat especially @ first base. The only caveat would be that I don't want another stiff to play 1st base regardless of how much he can hit.

We have enough young pitching in my opinion to put together a nice rotation already with the likes of Alvarez ,Fernandez, Cosart & Eovaldi. Plus if you trade Heaney for a young controllable middle of the order bat, you can then go out and spend your resources on a front line starting pitcher if that's what they want to do.

If I were the Marlins FO the first phone call I would make this off season would be to Theo asking him what it would cost to get Rizzo. They have a ton of hitters (it's actually ridiculous) that will be coming up by 2016, and not enough positions to put them in. They are also lacking pitching prospects which we aren't. We would match up great.

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Dude is 35 years old and has been a DH for years. He hasn't had too many health problems the last two years, but I would like to point out that he missed ALL of the 2012 season ENTIRELY. Did you miss that?

The guy tore his ACL thats not exactly an injury that shows he can't hold up. Thats usually just planting your foot wrong. If he missed games all the time with a variety of injuries that would be one thing but he missed that one year and came back just as good. He's hit over .300 for every year he has played since 2005 except one

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I disagree. I think our main priority this off season should be to acquire a middle of the order bat to play first base. I've said before I wouldn't even mind trading Heaney for a middle of the order bat especially @ first base. The only caveat would be that I don't want another stiff to play 1st base regardless of how much he can hit.

We have enough young pitching in my opinion to put together a nice rotation already with the likes of Alvarez ,Fernandez, Cosart & Eovaldi. Plus if you trade Heaney for a young controllable middle of the order bat, you can then go out and spend your resources on a front line starting pitcher if that's what they want to do.

If I were the Marlins FO the first phone call I would make this off season would be to Theo asking him what it would cost to get Rizzo. They have a ton of hitters (it's actually ridiculous) that will be coming up by 2016, and not enough positions to put them in. They are also lacking pitching prospects which we aren't. We would match up great.

Rizzo would be interesting and obviously great but he isn't going anywhere. The prospects they have are not 1b guys. Pretty much everything else but that. Plus he is young and controllable. I agree with your premise, however, that middle of the order, young, controllable 1b is the top priority. Stanton needs help.

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Yea, Rizzo is off limits, and even if he weren't we wouldn't have the firepower to acquire him. That's a pipe dream.


The guy tore his ACL thats not exactly an injury that shows he can't hold up. Thats usually just planting your foot wrong. If he missed games all the time with a variety of injuries that would be one thing but he missed that one year and came back just as good. He's hit over .300 for every year he has played since 2005 except one

I never said he wasn't a great hitter. I just don't think he would be the right fit for the Marlins.

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Yea, Rizzo is off limits, and even if he weren't we wouldn't have the firepower to acquire him. That's a pipe dream.



I never said he wasn't a great hitter. I just don't think he would be the right fit for the Marlins.

Can you explain why would you think that besides him tearing his ACL 3 years ago?

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Can you explain why would you think that besides him tearing his ACL 3 years ago?

It was two years ago. Do you know how time works? You have little to no concept of it.

He's 35 years old, and getting older. He's been a DH for years. He would be moving to a league that would be more physically demanding, a park that would be more difficult to succeed in, and we would have to meet or beat the offers he would get from AL teams to DH, and that would mean AT LEAST a three-year, $45 Million deal. No thanks.

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It was two years ago. Do you know how time works? You have little to know concept of it.

He's 35 years old, and getting older. He's been a DH for years. He would be moving to a league that would be more physically demanding, a park that would be more difficult to succeed in, and we would have to meet or beat the offers he would get from AL teams to DH, and that would mean AT LEAST a three-year, $45 Million deal. No thanks.

I said 3 years based upon next year meaning that would be his 3rd year since the injury. Regardless, this injury has no bearing on him. Its not like it is consistent muscle issues and things like that, he hurt his knee and has been just as good in 2 years since then.

He would be fine at 1b. We have garrett Jones there right now for god sakes and the impact his bat would have on the lineup would greatly out perform the negative effects of him playing 1b.

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How about Chris Carter? Houston has got Jon Singleton and a great young OF with Springer, Domingo Santana, and that guy Marisnick.

Maybe a short term deal. Yes, he isn't going to always be mashing homeruns like he has been recently, but I think offensively he could be an upgrade over Jones, althought defensivley he would probably be about the same, with a lot less experience. But nothing that Spring Training can't help him improve with.

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I said 3 years based upon next year meaning that would be his 3rd year since the injury. Regardless, this injury has no bearing on him. Its not like it is consistent muscle issues and things like that, he hurt his knee and has been just as good in 2 years since then.

He would be fine at 1b. We have garrett Jones there right now for god sakes and the impact his bat would have on the lineup would greatly out perform the negative effects of him playing 1b.

You're just assuming he stays healthy at 1B because he's been able to stay healthy as a DH. You're also assuming he would remain this productive in Marlins Park until his age 38 season. Those are some silly assumptions...

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Rizzo would be interesting and obviously great but he isn't going anywhere. The prospects they have are not 1b guys. Pretty much everything else but that. Plus he is young and controllable. I agree with your premise, however, that middle of the order, young, controllable 1b is the top priority. Stanton needs help.

I don't know if he's that untouchable. They have Baez, Soler, Bryant, Almora, Russell, Alcantara, and Schwarber. Where do you play them all? Either Castro or Rizzo will have to be moved at some point, and I think that Rizzo might get them the bigger return. It's all speculation on my part of course as you aren't guaranteed that all of those prospects will pan out. However, you have to figure that service time and arbitration are going to factor in their decision making and both Castro and Rizzo are going to be expensive much sooner than the prospects.

Anyway, as I said it's all speculation on my part and you may be right that Rizzo won't be available. The main point is that we need to upgrade 1st base.

Edit: I just checked the contracts of both Castillo, and Rizzo on COTs and they both seem to be very team friendly. Can we trade for Theo instead? LOL

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You're just assuming he stays healthy at 1B because he's been able to stay healthy as a DH. You're also assuming he would remain this productive in Marlins Park until his age 38 season. Those are some silly assumptions...

No I'm assuming he stays healthy because he hasn't done anything other than stay healthy and I'm not going to assume he will have an injury just because he has to play in the field. Obviously i acknowledge that he might get hurt but I'm not going to assume he will.
Assuming injuries for guys who haven't had huge injury problems in his career other than a freak injury in 2012 is not a good way to run a business.

Injuries happen but I'm not going to assume a guy is going to get injured just because he is older.

And when did Comerica become a hitters haven?

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I don't know if he's that untouchable. They have Baez, Soler, Bryant, Almora, Russell, Alcantara, and Schwarber. Where do you play them all? Either Castro or Rizzo will have to be moved at some point, and I think that Rizzo might get them the bigger return. It's all speculation on my part of course as you aren't guaranteed that all of those prospects will pan out. However, you have to figure that service time and arbitration are going to factor in their decision making and both Castro and Rizzo are going to be expensive much sooner than the prospects.

Anyway, as I said it's all speculation on my part and you may be right that Rizzo won't be available. The main point is that we need to upgrade 1st base.

Edit: I just checked the contracts of both Castillo, and Rizzo on COTs and they both seem to be very team friendly. Can we trade for Theo instead? LOL

Ya rizzo isn't going anywhere. I just want like the two worst prospects on that list and id still take that and run.

Rizzo is an animal though. Went to my high school too.

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No I'm assuming he stays healthy because he hasn't done anything other than stay healthy and I'm not going to assume he will have an injury just because he has to play in the field. Obviously i acknowledge that he might get hurt but I'm not going to assume he will.
Assuming injuries for guys who haven't had huge injury problems in his career other than a freak injury in 2012 is not a good way to run a business.

Injuries happen but I'm not going to assume a guy is going to get injured just because he is older.

Why wouldn't you assume someone is going to get injured as they get older? That's reality. Especially when you are expecting them to do more, physically, as they get older.

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Why wouldn't you assume someone is going to get injured as they get older? That's reality. Especially when you are expecting them to do more, physically, as they get older.

because he's not playing catcher or the outfield, throwing him at 1b and getting his bat in the lineup would be bigger for the team than not signing him at all because he could possibly get injured. Thats not the way i would choose to run my team.

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Ive already said my number one target this offseason would be Pablo Sandoval, I'm just saying acting like signing Victor Martinez is some sort of terrible move is not smart.




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