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Mickey Mantis

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This has been going through my mind everyday since the All Star break but just imagine if Loria had actually opened up the check book a bit more and signed a guy like Jose Abreu to bat right behind Stanton...Jesus. And if we had a healthy Jose Fernandez, we would easily be one of the wild card teams. But of course, this is only my imagination talking.

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Its too hard to imagine a Loria that opens his wallet, its not as hard to imagine a Loria that opens his wallet for a season and then immediately slams it shut and trades away the players he opened it for in the first place!
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I would be happy if we start getting into the market for these cuban players already. We were in on Cespedes, Chapman, Abreu and others and not one has failed yet. Plus most of the times these guys are major league ready already.

Even a guy like Alex Guerrero looks incredible in AAA before Olivo ate him.
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We did get Hechavarria.
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We did get Hechavarria.

I know you're joking but I'm talking about signing guys directly out of cuba. The fact that we haven't had one is a little sad.

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Its too hard to imagine a Loria that opens his wallet, its not as hard to imagine a Loria that opens his wallet for a season and then immediately slams it shut and trades away the players he opened it for in the first place!

Couldn't have said it better.... Thats what makes it hard to remain a Marlins fan. It's a vicious circle- fall in love with the players, have a great season, then they're all traded away.

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I would be happy if we start getting into the market for these cuban players already. We were in on Cespedes, Chapman, Abreu and others and not one has failed yet. Plus most of the times these guys are major league ready already.

Even a guy like Alex Guerrero looks incredible in AAA before Olivo ate him.

the only one on your list I would want is abreau. Chapman is a really expensive reliever and cespedes is expensive and not very good
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the only one on your list I would want is abreau. Chapman is a really expensive reliever and cespedes is expensive and not very good

I agree. I'd gladly take Abreu but I don't think Cespedes would start over any of our current outfielders.

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the only one on your list I would want is abreau. Chapman is a really expensive reliever and cespedes is expensive and not very good

So you're telling me you wouldn't want him?

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Loria will have to open his checkbook this offseason. No fan no matter how loyal can go through another firesale. With a few moves this team can be great for years to come. It is time!
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Loria will have to open his checkbook this offseason. No fan no matter how loyal can go through another firesale. With a few moves this team can be great for years to come. It is time!

So it's either spend big or have a fire sale? There's no middle ground? Ok then.

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So it's either spend big or have a fire sale? There's no middle ground? Ok then.

The Stanton decision is actually going to be a pretty good indicator.

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Middle ground as in make no moves and try to get better through the farm system?

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I know you're joking but I'm talking about signing guys directly out of cuba. The fact that we haven't had one is a little sad.

Throw 50mm to a guy fresh off a boat in a new country facing elite competition? Sure why not.

I mean, it's not like it's known these Cubans are future all stars: instead of guys with no position (Abreu), No seasoning (puig), need minor league coaching (chapman) , no plate discipline (cespedes) or just not very impressive (Hechevarria).

All of them have pretty big question marks, why take the gamble of paying a bust more than 20 guys on your roster

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Throw 50mm to a guy fresh off a boat in a new country facing elite competition? Sure why not.

I mean, it's not like it's known these Cubans are future all stars: instead of guys with no position (Abreu), No seasoning (puig), need minor league coaching (chapman) , no plate discipline (cespedes) or just not very impressive (Hechevarria).

All of them have pretty big question marks, why take the gamble of paying a bust more than 20 guys on your roster

Because if they evaluated the talent correctly they could see that these guys can become very valuable players.

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Because if they evaluated the talent correctly they could see that these guys can become very valuable players.

No one evaluated them correctly. They overvalued them, but did not evaluate correctly.

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Didn't they make a very competitive offer of like 50 million?

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Didn't they make a very competitive offer of like 50 million?

For Abreu? I believe so. Maybe a little more than that.

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Didn't they make a very competitive offer of like 50 million?

Yup, overvalued him. Just because he was Cuban. If he were Panamanian or Mexican with the same skills and same name and apperance with the same resume in the Cuban Leagues and WBC he would have gotten 10mm total as a free agent.

And I like the guy.

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Yup, overvalued him. Just because he was Cuban. If he were Panamanian or Mexican with the same skills and same name and apperance with the same resume in the Cuban Leagues and WBC he would have gotten 10mm total as a free agent.

And I like the guy.

Well, I know it's after the fact, and there's a ways to go on his contract, but ...

G      PA  AB  R   H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB  SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS OPS+  TB
107   462 418 63 127 29  1 31  89  1  0 32 103 .304 .361 .600 .962  164 251

Not exactly overvalued. Granted, White Sox aren't in a playoff position, but, those numbers would be MVP worthy. He'll be taking home Rookie of the Year unanimously.




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