[B1az3]

#3 Mike Stanton
#20 Logan Morrison
#78 Chad James

-Note: Matt Dominguez was dropped from top 100. He was #64 in 2009.

http://www.baseballa...ospects/?p=7539

[B1az3]

I'm surprised Chapman is that high(#22).

[MarlinsLou]

Dominguez did horrible in his AA audition. But, I still think he should be in the 75-90 range. His glove alone makes him incredibly projectable. If he hits at all, he's huge.

[B1az3]

MarlinsLou, on February 23, 2010 - 11:30 PM, said:

Dominguez did horrible in his AA audition. But, I still think he should be in the 75-90 range. His glove alone makes him incredibly projectable. If he hits at all, he's huge.

Edit: I agree with you. His glove should get him in even if its late 100's.

[B1az3]

Here is a comment a guy wrote about Dominguez:

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In the "lost podcast," Jim mentioned Dominguez as a guy he thought should have made it; for me his bat's so streaky, and frankly has been since high school, I'm less convinced he'll ever be a star and see him as more second-division regular, even with his good defense. He could have some poor offensive seasons as a big leaguer.

I still think if you give him time to develope his bat will come around.

[MarlinsLou]

B1az3, on February 23, 2010 - 11:44 PM, said:

Here is a comment a guy wrote about Dominguez:

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In the "lost podcast," Jim mentioned Dominguez as a guy he thought should have made it; for me his bat's so streaky, and frankly has been since high school, I'm less convinced he'll ever be a star and see him as more second-division regular, even with his good defense. He could have some poor offensive seasons as a big leaguer.

I still think if you give him time to develope his bat will come around.

His BB rate has improved every level and he doesn't strike out at insulting rates. As long as you're putting the ball in play good things will happen. There is certainly projectable power in his bat too. You can't fault him for the dip in HR in Jupiter. He still hit a fair amount of XBH and murdered A+ the last few weeks he was there. Oh, and he is 19 years old. He could spend all of 2010 in AA, and all of 2011 and 2012 in AAA, and be 24 years old. Which is how old Chris Coghlan was in 2009.

He's way to young and projectable to drop off a prospect list. He could skyrocket if he hits even a little bit this year. I don't know if he'll ever be this huge monster hitter, but a worst case scenario is what, Brandon Inge? Pedro Feliz? And that isn't a bad starter. Just not a great one. And amazing for club controlled prices.

But hey. We'll see what happens. Chris Coghlan wasn't good enough for BA last year too.

[ctina2277]

MarlinsLou, on February 24, 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

B1az3, on February 23, 2010 - 11:44 PM, said:

Here is a comment a guy wrote about Dominguez:

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In the "lost podcast," Jim mentioned Dominguez as a guy he thought should have made it; for me his bat's so streaky, and frankly has been since high school, I'm less convinced he'll ever be a star and see him as more second-division regular, even with his good defense. He could have some poor offensive seasons as a big leaguer.

I still think if you give him time to develope his bat will come around.

His BB rate has improved every level and he doesn't strike out at insulting rates. As long as you're putting the ball in play good things will happen. There is certainly projectable power in his bat too. You can't fault him for the dip in HR in Jupiter. He still hit a fair amount of XBH and murdered A+ the last few weeks he was there. Oh, and he is 19 years old. He could spend all of 2010 in AA, and all of 2011 and 2012 in AAA, and be 24 years old. Which is how old Chris Coghlan was in 2009.

He's way to young and projectable to drop off a prospect list. He could skyrocket if he hits even a little bit this year. I don't know if he'll ever be this huge monster hitter, but a worst case scenario is what, Brandon Inge? Pedro Feliz? And that isn't a bad starter. Just not a great one. And amazing for club controlled prices.

But hey. We'll see what happens. Chris Coghlan wasn't good enough for BA last year too.

Dominguez is actually 20 going on 21. I only know because '89 is the same year I was born. Although your point, I believe, still remains valid.

Secondly, does anyone know how they (the people who come up with the rankings) take into account a player adjusting to a new level of play? What variables are calculated? I find it a little premature to remove Dominguez from the 100 top prospect list after 2009.

[fanofthefish]

With Dominguez if the Marlins had left him in Jupiter where he was really just starting hit, he would have been in the top-100 easily. Defensive wise he's MLB caliber right now, based on what I saw between Jupiter and Jax.

[Eddie Altamonte]

Dominguez will have a solid year at the plate He just requires a few ar bats to get his bearings Double pitching is a huge jump for a young prospect that is why Logan impresses the hell outta of me. Logan is oe of the best pure hitter I have ever seen in the Marlin's organization Dominguez is a stud as well but he has tp work harder at it and he will

[Eddie Altamonte]

Btw he will be a late season callup!

[MarlinsLou]

ctina2277, on February 24, 2010 - 02:39 AM, said:

MarlinsLou, on February 24, 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

B1az3, on February 23, 2010 - 11:44 PM, said:

Here is a comment a guy wrote about Dominguez:

Quote

In the "lost podcast," Jim mentioned Dominguez as a guy he thought should have made it; for me his bat's so streaky, and frankly has been since high school, I'm less convinced he'll ever be a star and see him as more second-division regular, even with his good defense. He could have some poor offensive seasons as a big leaguer.

I still think if you give him time to develope his bat will come around.

His BB rate has improved every level and he doesn't strike out at insulting rates. As long as you're putting the ball in play good things will happen. There is certainly projectable power in his bat too. You can't fault him for the dip in HR in Jupiter. He still hit a fair amount of XBH and murdered A+ the last few weeks he was there. Oh, and he is 19 years old. He could spend all of 2010 in AA, and all of 2011 and 2012 in AAA, and be 24 years old. Which is how old Chris Coghlan was in 2009.

He's way to young and projectable to drop off a prospect list. He could skyrocket if he hits even a little bit this year. I don't know if he'll ever be this huge monster hitter, but a worst case scenario is what, Brandon Inge? Pedro Feliz? And that isn't a bad starter. Just not a great one. And amazing for club controlled prices.

But hey. We'll see what happens. Chris Coghlan wasn't good enough for BA last year too.

Dominguez is actually 20 going on 21. I only know because '89 is the same year I was born. Although your point, I believe, still remains valid.

Secondly, does anyone know how they (the people who come up with the rankings) take into account a player adjusting to a new level of play? What variables are calculated? I find it a little premature to remove Dominguez from the 100 top prospect list after 2009.

Dominguez was born Aug 28, 1989, so he was 19 for basically the entire 2009 season. But yes, either way it's still young and it doesn't matter if it takes him till he is 24/25 to become a MLB player. It happening sooner is a bonus.

All variables are considered. It's a completely subjective list weighing performance, level and competition, age, park factors, mechanics, "tools," anticipated progression, likelihood to succeed, you name it. Per Dominguez, he was left off most likely because the scouts think he has a big hole in his swing that will prevent consistent contact, and this was clearly exposed during his initial 150 PA in Jacksonville/Arizona.

[MarlinsLou]

Eddie Altamonte, on February 24, 2010 - 09:04 AM, said:

Btw he will be a late season callup!

You always want to rush prospects to fast. Unless Dominguez looks like he can be the starter in 2011, which is doubtful, the Marlins have no reason to bring him up which has the side effect of putting him on the 40 man roster. We have a ton of pitching prospects to protect this upcoming year in the Rule V, so every last spot is going to count.

Assuming Cantu and Helms leave for FA, and the team trades Ross, Uggla, and Pinto...

C - Baker, Paulino, Hayes
1B - G. Sanchez, Morrison
2B - Coghlan, Bonifacio
SS - Hanley
3B - Jimenez
OF - Maybin, Petersen, Cousins, Jai, Carroll
SP - Johnson, Nolasco, Anibal, Volstad, West, A. Miller, Sanabia, Winters, G. Taylor, Allison
RP - Nunez, Vanden Hurk, Tucker, Ceda, Meyer, H. Jones, Tankeresley, Badenhop, Buente, Harvey, Leroux, C. Martinez, Sinkbiel, Wood, Cishek, Voss, Parcell

This is at 40 right now, and just looking at what kind of roster we could create from this, we'd need a veteran 3B, a veteran outfielder, a veteran bat, more organizational depth at 2B/SS, and we'd be getting back legit almost ready players back for Ross and Uggla. We could easily see this list of "should be protected" grow to close to 50 guys.

And sure, we could trade Nunez for payroll, or just not protect people like Graham, Allison, whichever 5 RP don't work, Carroll, Jai, Jimenez isn't around, etc to get to 40, but you're going to have to start sacrificing arms to rush Dominguez, and Stanton, to the majors. Why do that? I mean if they force their way into the starting lineup with crazy AA years this year, so be it. But that is asking for a lot.

I think they should stay exclusively in the minors all of 2010 no matter what happens so we can preserve as many arms as possible. There is no need to rush them. I still feel 2012 is the target year.

[Fish Dynasty]

Posey should be ahead of Montero.

[Spike]

I once again ask how Chad James makes these lists.

[Ashraf]

Spike, on February 25, 2010 - 12:06 AM, said:

I once again ask how Chad James makes these lists.

You arrived later than I expected.

[Erick]

MarlinsLou, on February 24, 2010 - 11:47 AM, said:

Eddie Altamonte, on February 24, 2010 - 09:04 AM, said:

Btw he will be a late season callup!

Assuming Cantu and Helms leave for FA, and the team trades Ross, Uggla, and Pinto...

What are the odds we trade Pinto in Spring Training if a guy like Tankersley/Hunter Jones step up?

[MarlinsLou]

Erick, on February 25, 2010 - 04:04 AM, said:

MarlinsLou, on February 24, 2010 - 11:47 AM, said:

Eddie Altamonte, on February 24, 2010 - 09:04 AM, said:

Btw he will be a late season callup!

Assuming Cantu and Helms leave for FA, and the team trades Ross, Uggla, and Pinto...

What are the odds we trade Pinto in Spring Training if a guy like Tankersley/Hunter Jones step up?

I have no idea. I'd think they keep this entire team together until at least the trade deadline and see where they are.