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  1. 25 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

    There was no point of contention.

    There was knowing what the Giants would do and what they wouldnt do.

    For some reason you refused to believe me when I said, Bart wasn't coming to the Marlins for a package with Marte unless a young controllable established starter was included.

    Lol so desperate. 

  2. 3 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

    I don’t think you brush off his struggles, but context paints a much more optimistic picture than baseball reference. 
     

    For starter, Luzardo has already had success at the big league level, not to mention in the playoffs at an extremely young age. Brinson had not prior to being sent to Miami. 
     

    As I mentioned earlier, Luzardo was brought up to the show extremely early. Had he pitched in AAA his age 22 and 23 seasons (like most big prospects) he would’ve absolutely dominated that league and probably positioned himself as a top 5 prospect in baseball.
     

    The industry became infatuated with Edward Cabrera after dominating A+ and AA ball at age 21. Luzardo was dominating AAA and had a successful cup of coffee in the show at that age. 
     

    Instead, Oak challenged (or rushed) him, and he responded quite well. This year has been rough for him, no doubt. But it’s also a total of about 60 IP at age 23 for a guy who wasn’t allowed proper time to develop. 
     

    We basically just got an elite level pitching prospect who we’ve been able to see pitch in the majors some. All for 2 months of Marte.  
     

     

    I don’t think the A’s would have made this trade based on that context you painted and I’m pretty confident they had those same thoughts.  With that said, it makes it a bit more skeptical if the trade was made because of his hand injury that they feel could be more damning from their perspective.  Let’s be real, no team is going to get a pitcher like Luzardo for Marte unless that team feels he could be somewhat damaged, wouldn’t you agree?   

  3. 16 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

    Real good get for the Marlins.

    Told you Marte wasn't netting you a Joey Bart!  🤣

    That said, real good get, significant risk and you really cant simply white wash what Luzardo has done this year as no big fucking deal.  The one concern is the similar one to a Brinson.  Why is he now in his third organization? 

    But this is the kind of risk for a player you take with a rental.

    Really cant say anything bad about this return at all!

    I think everyone agreed, Marte alone wasn’t going to pay the bill for Bart.  The point of contention was your belief that the Giants wouldn’t trade Bart for Marte and pitching prospects who weren’t ready. 

    I agree with your points on Luzardo. 

  4. 7 minutes ago, Iowa said:

    These are the types of trades we need (have) to make tho.. if it works out, Ng is gonna look great

     Im the biggest supporter of building around pitching first so in no way am I complaining about the trade.  

    It’s just message board talk for me based on the pros and cons nothing more.  

     

  5. 2 minutes ago, Valid said:

    He's thrown all of 109 innings on the big-league level and has only thrown 38 this season. It's not like he has "mightily struggled" over the course of three full seasons, so we should probably relax with that.

    You forgot to mention this: “Triple-A level in 2021, where he's sporting a 6.52 ERA and a bloated walk rate (more than one every other inning) after eight outings”

    It’s still a viable risk based on injury and yes, he has mighty struggled or the A’s wouldn’t have traded him.   

    Again I’m not saying the trade is good or bad but rather it’s a bit of a risk more than I’d be ok with IMO.  I already know all the Marte details at this point. 

  6. 1 minute ago, marlinsmaniac said:

    What team is going to give up a GOOD controllable center fielder for a good center fielder that will be gone in two months? So trading Marte for a Center Fielder was never an option. if anything, what they asked for is just proof that the  offensive pieces they are looking to acquire will come at the expense of pitching (hence why they needed Luzardo)

    That makes sense and we could always counter trade for another CF like Eric mentioned.   But trading for a pitcher who has mightily struggled after breaking his finger is somewhat alarming for a player of Martes interest.  

    I think the article and fantsy video does a good job at the pros and cons for each side because let’s face it, there are some major risks here based on that article that I wouldn’t have expected us to take for Marte.

     

     

  7. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/starling-marte-trade-athletics-acquire-outfielder-from-marlins-for-jesus-luzardo-per-report/amp/

    This is really informative. The fantasy video is worth listening.  

    With that information, Im a bit surprised we would take any risks for a player like Marte.  I understand the risk and reward with controlling benefits but in this stage of the game, I thought a bat (CF or C) would be the complete focus for Marte.  

    Not trying to be negative, but it’s seems like a risky play intself without addressing the need directly for Marte.  

    Isnt everyone tired of players who are still unproven?

     

  8. 9 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

    What do you mean? If we do that then we got both another big league ready starting pitcher and a big league CF who will be here in 2022, we didn't have that this morning so that would make us better going forward. 

    Losing a pitching prospect for a CF would cancel out Luzardo in a way especially if it’s Eder or better. 

    I understand all the controllable benefits  and I’m not saying the trade was bad.  That will be decided if they make more trades for a CF like I mentioned above. 

  9. 41 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

    Human beings are generally weaker now and don't know how to cope with adversity. Also, while mental health issues are more openly discussed and accepted and this is a positive because people with these issues can seek help, I've also noticed a situation where having mental health issues becomes almost desired as if it's a trendy thing or something to do because it's cool because it's more accepted. So someone who might not really need mental help goes to therapy and embraces being depressed and all that because it's a cool thing to post on Instagram and so on. People are gravitating towards mental health issues now when in the past they ran away from it. 

    I had someone ask my son if he was or wanted to be an introvert... I wanted to punch the other idiot. 

    Spanking your child became a big issue 20 years ago and we are seeing the byproduct of it now.  

    Regarding sport athletes, its about self entitlement, larger than life persona built entirely by the social media.  The movie American Psycho isn’t so far fetched if they could get away with it. 

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