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  1. On 10/22/2020 at 1:44 PM, Vic D said:

    The question is, can Sixto receive the necessary seasoning up in the majors as he would have in the upper minors? Will starting in the majors next year stunt his development?

    Did you really ask if facing BETTER hitters will stunt his development?

     

    who actually played past middle school here?

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  2. 17 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

    I don't think it's being down on the guy, it's just being realistic.

    There’s nothing realistic about saying he won’t be in the rotation next year. From a Managers standpoint you say that for PR and to inspire competition but there’s no way in God’s earth he isn’t going to be at least in the. No. 4 spot just based off pure talent alone and not including his early success. He has already proven he has the best big league stuff out of the entire rotation. A bad game in the playoffs doesn’t change that. Don’t know if you realize but out of all the guys that are going to be competing he would have the 3rd most experience behind Pablo and Eliesar AND far and away the best stuff.

  3. If we’re really thinking cost effective prospect wise and money wise then the plan is pretty simple.

    C- Sign Matt Weiters to a 2-3 mil deal, Keep Wallach on the 40 but move him down

     

    2nd- Josh Harrison to a 4 mil deal, Berti can move to a more natural utility role


    LF- Jurickson Profar. If he explodes he could offer a big return on a short term deal + he’s a movable piece. Can essentially play anywhere. Move Dickerson to a DH role.

     

    RF- Josh Reddick on a 1-2 year deal.


    SP- Alex Wood on a price it deal


    RP/CL- Ken Giles on a prove it deal

     

    No prospects traded, lineup gets more consistent and better, and all can be moved for prospects if our actual prospects emerge.

  4. 12 hours ago, marlins_09 said:

    Depends what you consider a quality big leaguer, and what position you’re discussing.

    These “fringe OF’s” are only fringe on a strong farm system. Misner is a fringe prospect for us, but he would be a top 5-7 prospect for the Redsox or diamondbacks. 

    A package of Alfaro, Misner, + Holloway/Urena/Guzman would absolutely be a competitive offer for a guy like Carson Kelly. If anything, it might be an overpay.  
     

    Conversely, you could absolutely get a quality reliever for a Misner/Scott + return. 

    If we’re considering a trade for somebody then why not hit up the cubs about Willson Contreras and Jacob Stallings of the Pirates. I wouldn’t mind packaging Alfaro, Guzman, Misner, Urena, and maybe Holloway/Guzman if it got me Contreras and Jose Martinez? Stallings and Musgrove for the Pirates?

  5. On 10/14/2020 at 5:36 PM, FishFan95 said:

    Making win now moves will be the difference in the team being like the Pirates/Royals window or being like the Cubs/Astros window. The Marlins weakest and thinnest position right now has to be catcher. Can anyone think of a championship team the last 20 years where that has been the case? You look at the '97 team and the '03 team and they both had a terrific catcher both at the defensive end and in handling the pitching staff. Charles Johnson even had one of his better years offensively. Pudge was solid across the board. An upgrade behind the dish has to be the team's top priority this offseason. The only two options on the FA market I can think of would be JT or James McCann.

    JT is unrealistic...like in outer space realistic because of money/contract. He’s not going to be healthy after this one is up. Just how playing Catcher is. McCann is realistic and we’ll only shell out somewhere between 11-13 mil a year plus add pop to the lineup. A cheap option would be Matt Weiters but he would be a righty only option. It’s also worth looking at Wilson Ramos and Mike Zunino if their options aren’t picked up.

  6. 35 minutes ago, Michael said:

    Wouldn't surprise me if we could get him for a lot less than that. Like a 3/35 deal could maybe get it done. Don't want to give him too long of a deal, but I mean. 4/50 perhaps at the most.

    Probably. I don’t know how we don’t consider McCann being that it’s the biggest hole in our lineup fielding and hitting wise.

  7. 8 hours ago, Michael said:

    That makes a lot more sense. 😁

    Too many catching McCann's. Couldn't one of them play second base or something?

    Right? But yea I think signing McCann to a 12-15 mil a year deal is the way to go with the catching situation and some more pop. James is great with pitchers and he’ll smack 18 over the fence.

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  8. 2 hours ago, CoastieMike said:

    have a offseason worthwhile to eliminate the thought. Not necessarily open the check book, but fill the most obvious voids vs piecing things together. 

    My offseason wishes.

    Pick up Starling 12.5M option. See how this season/OF prospects growth goes and offer extension mid season. 

    Pick up Kintzler 4M option, why not, best arm in the pen this season. 

    Sign a 3/4 guy, preferably a LHP. Mike Minor, Jose Quintana, Alex Wood, Robbie Ray (any of those guys can get an AAV of 8-12M)? Include them in the rotation with Sandy, Pablo, Sixto (inning restriction?) and whoever fills the 5th spot (Elieser?, but would like him to go to the bullpen and be a long relief guy) 

    Bullpen is tricky, all guys are going to be cheapish with arbitration besides Kintzler option. Bleier was great as the "loogy". Maybe trade some prospects and dominate the 7,8,9.

    Seems like all positions are locked. I hope Aguilar takes a discount and stays. That would be huge. Isan/Jazz/Berti? and Miggy Ro up the middle. Anderson on the corner. Dick, Marte, Cooper OF (not trusting any of the OF young guys TBH). Im going to assume Wallach stays with how the year ended and Alfaro learns to frame and hit again.

    That leaves Berti as the main utility guy. Im not sure about the rest either. Mags, Monte, Lewis, Harold, and some IF guys?

    But sign a utility vet, Marwin Gonzalez is a name that comes to mind. Bats from bat sides of the plate (Donnie doesn't have to play matchups game anymore) and can play corner OF and IF spots.  

    Rest of the bench spots. Who knows. Whoever has the best Spring training. 

     

    You can give a prove it deal to Wood. I would actually pay to sign Brian McCann and make that my offseason splash. 

  9. 4 hours ago, CoastieMike said:

    Is Kintzler 4 MIL option worth it? Granted the short season, he had his best season in his 10 years. Stanek didnt show his dominance in relief, nobody really did.

     

    I would say so. That’s what you would be paying for an above average reliever to begin with. I would still add somebody like Joakim Soria for about 5-6 just to extend it.

  10. 2 hours ago, mystikol87 said:

    What happened to Meadows this year? I didn’t realize he had performed so poorly until I looked up his stats. 2019 was great; 2020 was 😩

    Point I’m trying to make. Buy low and and sell high once club control is up. Or keep him...whatever Jeter wants. Same with Renfroe who’s probably cheaper prospect-wise to get.

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  11. 2 hours ago, Major-Minor said:

    Completely fair. 

    I am just not seeing where to go.

    I read the Rays were trying to part away with a couple of their mid tier guys. Randy Arozarena probably makes Hunter Renfroe available who’s cheap and has 3 years of ball club control. Maybe Meadows? 
     

    We could approach the Pirates about Jose Osuna or Polanco. Don’t think they move Bell or Moran.


    The Rockies can look to move Trevor Story but he’ll hit FA next year

     

    Obviously you have Francisco Lindor who’ll probably be unrealistic 

     
    The Cubs are probably shopping Kris Bryant.


    Orioles willing to budge on one of their young catchers? Cisco or Severino?


    Couple of ways to go via trade. That Rays outfield situation is catching my eye trade wise though.

  12. 42 minutes ago, EricOwens! said:

    Just ride with the young guys. That was the whole point of all this right?

    C - Alfaro (maybe FA idk)

    1B - Diaz/Cooper/Aguilar

    2B - Diaz/Berti

    SS - Rojas

    3B - Anderson

    LF - Dickerson

    CF - Marte

    RF - Sanchez/Harrison

    DH - Cooper/Aguilar

     

    SP - Sandy, Pablo, Sixto, Cabrera, FA/Meyers

    Spend money on RP if need be. If the prospects don't perform we're in trouble so I'd rather figure that out now. Jazz and Bleday full time mid year or 2022 at SS and LF.

    Orrrrrrr we can take advantage of the ball club control we have on our pitching and win now instead of waiting and shorten the length of team everybody can be together.

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  13. 1 hour ago, Major-Minor said:

    Honestly. I don't really like anyone on the FA market.

    I want to see a full season of Harold, Jazz, and Sierra.

    Put JP and Sierra and in an apartment together and teaching him a swinging bunt. Ew. It would be Castillo JP all over again.

    A lineup of

    Berti/Jazz 2B

    Marte OF

    Aguilar/Coop 1B

    Rojas SS

    BA 3B

    HOT BAT/MATCHUP

    HOT BAT/MATCHUP

    CATCHER...Alf and Wallach

    Sierra/Harold OF

    Bench:

    Diaz (2nd), Dickerson, Harrison, Sanchez?

     

    As for catching...I just don't think you give up on Alf. While I would love to get a good ballplayer like McCann...it is on a career year...so expect an overpay. So then...if you HAVE to add to catcher you would check in on Leon or Castro who have better track records and have worked with more pitchers...but are they better than a ALF/Wallach tandem?

    Also...dunno what to do about Brinson. It's still not there...its a little better...but why am I giving Monte more time? Because he is fast?

    I feel like people are getting traded. I don't know how you don't trade players to sure up pitching? Unless you give up on Monte and Brinson...bury Sanchez and the Diaz's for the start of the season. Does that give you a better lineup?

    Or maybe Jazz has to play for a roster spot and I am being too optimistic?

    Ah! Alot to think about I guess...and it is concerning that there are SO many question marks...I think a lot has to break right to see us in contention next year.

     

    If this is how you’re thinking then move a package involving Sierra, Diaz, or Monte to Texas for Lance Lynn or a pitcher of similar pedigree? Add Michael Brantley and Joc Pederson on a prove it deal? I still think adding at least Matt Weiters needs to happen because Wallach isn’t a consistent hitter and Alfaro has now chemistry.

    Lineup:

    1. SS Miggy Ro

    2. LF/RF Michael Brantley

    3. CF Starling Marte

    4. 1B Aguilar/Cooper

    5. 3rd BA

    6. DH/RF Joc Pederson

    7. LF/RF Harold or Dickerson

    8. C Alfaro/Weiters

    9. 2nd Berti

    Rotation

    1. Alcantara

    2. Lynn

    3. Pablo/Garrett

    4. Sixto

    5. Rodgers

  14. So let’s get this back on track. I believe the marlins need to be aggressive. 
     

    C- just gut it. Pay McCann 12-15 mil/yr. Keep Wallach. Package Alfaro somewhere. 
     

    1B- really unattractive market here. Justin Smoak fills the lefty power bat void. Changed my mind here,  I’m fine staying Aguilar/Cooper. I want Lewin Diaz to have an opportunity to win the job eventually.

    2nd- I’ve been adamant that I love La Stella here and Josh Harrison. La Stella is going to command more though so I’ll roll with Josh Harrison. That’s probably 4 mil

    SS- Miggy Ro until proven other wise

    3rd- BA TIL proven other wise

    LF- Split between Dickerson and Harold

    CF- Starling gets his option picked up

    RF- I’m going outside of the box here. I read a couple times during the deadline that Tampa wanted to move a couple of mid-tier guys. Alfaro, Sierra, Isan Diaz for Hunter Renfroe. 3 mil with 3 years control. Probably wouldn’t be hard with the emergence of Randy Arozarena.

     

    Rotation/Pen- Let Vincent walk, Replace with Joakim Soria and let him close. 7 mil

    Go get Alex Wood and see if you can strike magic. Make Braxton the 6th starter and continue to let him develop his touch.

    All of this is about 33 mil total on top of accepted options.

    Lineup: 

    1. SS Miggy Ro

    2. LF Ramirez/Dickerson

    3. CF Starling Marte

    4. C James McCann

    5. 3rd BA

    6. RF Hunter Renfroe

    7. 1st Aguilar/Cooper

    8. DH Dickerson/Cooper

    9. 2nd Harrison

    Rotation-

    1. Sandy

    2. Pablo

    3. Alex Wood

    4. Sixto

    5. Rodgers/Garrett

  15. Just now, Italian Marlins Fan said:

    Would you guys do Pablo Lopez and Alfaro for someone like Rafael Devers? 

    Honestly, I would do my best to add through free agency and not even discuss a trade. It was just being discussed as an option.
     

    The Front office has to make a decision on if they want to take advantage of this pitching(which is what I would do) or continue trying to develop. This team do some damage if they sign some veteran stop gates like Josh Reddick, Justin Smoak, Tommy La Stella, an a legit catcher in McCann and probably compete for a playoff spot but they have to be willing to budget on that check box a bit. 

  16. 11 minutes ago, Major-Minor said:

    1. Avoid trades with the Yanks because more often than not they trade high because they can afford to absorb risk.

    2. ...regardless...the Yankees love their "options." Anderson and Sierra PLUS two throw ins ain't going to cut it.

    3. They don't need 1234125728354 position players. They will want pitching.

    4. BA is way more valuable to our team than he is to any other team.

    5. If they have soured on anyone it is Andujar...and I'll bet he gets traded and the Yanks will win that trade.

    See this makes sense. Yea of course. That’s where I would start though. I have no problem going with Monte, Connor Scott, and guys of that nature. What I’m saying though is that they need means to get pitching. Are you going to Texas and trading For Lance Lynn for Miguel Andujar? No. They are going to want prospects. The Royals are going to want prospects are going to want prospects for Danny Duffy. They are probably going to be the most popular names this winter when it comes to movable pitching as of right now. Andujar isn’t going to be enough alone with his injury history and that he probably needs to play LF.

     

    We can’t necessarily be throwing away pitching depth either. Garrett and Rodgers are still too green and prospects are obviously grew as well. We have minor league and bullpen depth. Not rotation depth. Trade one and our rotation could become top heavy.

  17. 7 minutes ago, CYmarlins said:

    I reiterated that Urshula isn't a need and your original post doesn't get him what you are trying to offer. Yankees are gonna want young controllable pitching in return but Urshula is young and controllable as well.


    Facts on facts are that stats don't lie. Do yourself a favor and look at the stats and the potential of these players. NONE of those players you offered have a ceiling except Anderson. Possibly Alfaro can do something if he turns it around next year. 

     

    1. An impact bat is a need. Urshela is a bigger, better version of Anderson...and an impact bat.

    2. They want veteran pitching

    3. they have no means to get veteran pitching without clearing their already depleted farm system

    4. I’m giving means to get some veteran pitching by giving them a couple of my better prospects.

     

    ^These are facts. Your opinions about prospect talent level aren’t.

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