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  1. I don't equate "most disappointing" with "most losses." Instead, I feel that the most disappointing squads were those that were expected to compete -- if not win it all -- and fell short. In other words, ownership pulled out the checkbook for a change, but the team still failed to meet expectations. That being said, in my view, the most disappointing teams have been: 1. 2005 - Signing Carlos Delgado to a mammoth contract had "we want to win a championship" written all over it. The team was uniquely positioned to win the division given that they still had most of the holdovers from 2003. The Marlins were in the hunt until September, when they fizzled out for good. 2. 2012 - A new ballpark. A new manager. New uniforms. A slew of big-name signings including Jose Reyes, Heath Bell, Carlos Lee, and Mark Buehrle. All of that amounted to an atrocious 68-94 record, good for dead last in the division. Honorable Mentions: 3. 2004 - Some might make the case for 2004, but I think most of us knew that without Derrek Lee and Pudge Rodriguez, our chances of repeating had greatly diminished. 4. 1998 - It was pretty obvious that we wouldn't be able to keep all the talent that brought us a championship in '97. Because the gradual dismantling commenced in the offseason, many were skeptical that this franchise would win it all again in 1998. Do you agree with this list? Or do you think there were other seasons that wound up being even more disappointing than these?
  2. Do you think this team is on pace to finish just as poorly as the dreadful '98 and '99 teams, which lost close to/more than 100 games?
  3. This 2018 campaign has been painful to watch thus far. Let's travel back to 2005-2006, another time in which the Marlins rebuilt following a disappointing season where they were expected to compete, if not win it all. Arguably, that rebuild was even wider in scope than the one we witnessed this past offseason. And, yet, the Marlins winded up posting gaudy offensive numbers: Uggla - 27 HRs and 90 RBIs Cabrera - 26 HRs and 114 RBIs Jacobs- 20 HRs and 77 RBIs Willingham - 26 HRs and 74 RBIs Hanley - 17 HRs and 59 RBIs Cody Ross had 11 HRs. Borchard and Helms each had 10. The Marlins were 14th in the majors in HRs. The 2005 Marlins finished 28th. Why was the offense so good after that rebuild? Why is it so crappy after this one? Did we have better picks/a more robust farm system then? I remember that team being in the hunt for the playoffs before fizzling out toward the end. I'm not sure anyone expected them to be that good -- or did they? I know it's early in the season, but I don't see the 2018 Marlins coming anywhere near those 2006 numbers.
  4. Buck played in Miami for 2 years and was never up to par. Stanton needs to get the bat going. Seems as though he and Cishek haven't been the same since coming back from the World Baseball Classic. It was nice to see Brantly have a breakout game against Minnesota, but hopefully that wasn't just a fluke. The guy has been awful at the plate; he seems flat-out lost out there sometimes.
  5. It's funny how Buck leaves Miami and is now tearing the cover off the ball in New York. Bell is playing a lot better this year than he did in 2012. Why do so many of these guys come here and have an off year, then go elsewhere and flourish?
  6. Hey guys. First time being on the boards for many years. I've been a poster here since the early 2000s. I was curious as to when you thought this team might be a competitive, playoff-caliber team once more. Will it be in 3 years? 5 years? I wanted to take a second to reflect on the years leading up to the 2003 championship. You may remember that many of the pieces that made up the 2003 team had already been in place for quite a few years. Luis Castillo - Since 1996 Derrek Lee and Alex Gonzalez - Since 1998 A.J. Burnett and Mike Lowell - Since 1999 Essentially, all our starting infielders in 2003 were already with the team in 1999. This young core not only grew into highly talented players, but talented players who built great chemistry with one another. Following the 2005 salary dump, it seemed the Marlins wanted to take another stab at building a young nucleus, this time around Hanley, Cabrera, Dontrelle, Uggla, J.J, Hermida, Willingham, and Nolasco. Though most had one or two solid seasons in their own right, those pieces never propelled the team to the postseason and thus were traded away little by little (except Nolasco). The only Marlin who's had any longevity on this team has been Ricky Nolasco and maybe Chris Coghlan (since 2009). Everyone else has been on the team for 3 seasons or fewer. So in addition to predicting what year the team will be competitive, who do you think will comprise the next "core" of this team? Fernandez, Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, and Marisnick? Do you think these guys have the potential to be bona fide stars who can make Miami a winning ballclub again?
  7. I thought the Torii Hunter incident was going to shift the momentum our way; alas, that didn't happen. LoMo and Buck need to get the bats going -- neither player had a hit.
  8. It's nice to see Hanley slowly coming out of his funk. Seems Trader Jack is having a positive influence on him.
  9. flasportsfan, I just finished creating a similar thread. I remember Baker coming through in the clutch quite a lot last season. So far, John Buck has not impressed me all that much (save for the grand slam on Opening Day and a few timely hits here and there) and I am hoping he gets hot soon. Could it have to do with his transition to the NL?
  10. Whoops -- Looks like someone beat me to the punch and posted a nearly identical thread. :D
  11. What's the status of John Baker? I know he underwent Tommy John surgery following the end of the 2010 season. From what I can remember, Baker had some pop and delivered in the clutch. John Buck, I think we can agree, has gotten off to a slow start this year. Once Baker comes back, is it safe to say he'll be platooning with Buck?
  12. As a guy who's followed this team non-stop since 1993, I can certainly agree that this is a tough season to endure. Even for us true fans, sometimes it's hard to get fired up for these guys. I still give the young players props for trying their best, irrespective of the fact that most of them are probably not ready to be in the major leagues. But we gotta remember one thing - Derek Lee, Alex Gonzalez, and Luis Castillo were once youngsters that most people didn't know about in 1998, 1999, etc. Most people don't know that Luis Castillo played as a regular in a few games dating back to the 1996 season. I think that a few players on this current team will comprise the eventual nucleus of Marlins that will be a competitive force in the National League, come 2008 or 2009. Reggie Abercrombie reminds me of a young Preston Wilson, and Jacobs reminds me of Mark Kotsay in his earlier days. Josh Willingham has also done a decent job. Another fact remains - this team really has no leader. In 1997 and 2003, the Marlins had not just one team leader, but several of them. Sheffield, Conine (both seasons), Kevin Brown, Charles Johnson, Daulton and Eisenrich, Pudge Rodriguez. I wish the Marlins could have at least kept Conine to give them some leadership presence, but it just couldn't happen. We're just gonna have to ride it out this season, as well as in the next 2 to come, at least.
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