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Don't kid yourselves. The caveat of this whole deal that it is a backloaded contract. This doesn't give me one iota of confidence with this ownership. Stupidity like this doesn't help Public Relations one bit. Why? In essence, if we read between the lines, the deal breaks down into $6/$7/$8 million respectively. If we follow the pattern of the last couple of free agent signings, Salty won't be here to even smell that $8 million. At least we can pretty much guarantee that someone else will be footing the back end of that bill. Some things never change. It is so much easier to root for the Rays. C'mon people. This is the MARLINS we are talking about. Grab something to hold on to because within the next year to year and a half, the rug will once again be pulled out from under us. Holy cow, this is some stupid shit. Stupid is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
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Don't kid yourselves. The caveat of this whole deal that it is a backloaded contract. This doesn't give me one iota of confidence with this ownership. Stupidity like this doesn't help Public Relations one bit. Why? In essence, if we read between the lines, the deal breaks down into $6/$7/$8 million respectively. If we follow the pattern of the last couple of free agent signings, Salty won't be here to even smell that $8 million. At least we can pretty much guarantee that someone else will be footing the back end of that bill. Some things never change. It is so much easier to root for the Rays. C'mon people. This is the MARLINS we are talking about. Grab something to hold on to because within the next year to year and a half, the rug will once again be pulled out from under us. Holy cow, this is some stupid shit. Panthino wanted Salty's $21M contract breakdown to be $20M/$1M/a free pass for 2016. The way this ownership has handled itself, that would be a start. Although, I do enjoy how nicely they have miraculously made David Sampson disappear from the face of the earth. I have been at peace since the Weasel has been snuffed out of the headlines. Namaste'.
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Don't kid yourselves. The caveat of this whole deal that it is a backloaded contract. This doesn't give me one iota of confidence with this ownership. Stupidity like this doesn't help Public Relations one bit. Why? In essence, if we read between the lines, the deal breaks down into $6/$7/$8 million respectively. If we follow the pattern of the last couple of free agent signings, Salty won't be here to even smell that $8 million. At least we can pretty much guarantee that someone else will be footing the back end of that bill. Some things never change. It is so much easier to root for the Rays. C'mon people. This is the MARLINS we are talking about. Grab something to hold on to because within the next year to year and a half, the rug will once again be pulled out from under us. Holy cow, this is some stupid shit. Haha! You think that is stupid. Here is an image of where that $2 million is going to go once Salty gets moved: The Jeffery Loria Art Gallery! Ah..... another piece of art for the collection. Come hither Marlins fans. All in all, a nice gesture towards the fans. I like Salty. But he's got a LONG way to go. For one, he's gotta eventually address the elephant in the room... aka Stanton.
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Yes. I'm very serious. I want to root for the team. But I truly have no faith in it anymore. Call me Charlie Brown.
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Don't kid yourselves. The caveat of this whole deal that it is a backloaded contract. This doesn't give me one iota of confidence with this ownership. Stupidity like this doesn't help Public Relations one bit. Why? In essence, if we read between the lines, the deal breaks down into $6/$7/$8 million respectively. If we follow the pattern of the last couple of free agent signings, Salty won't be here to even smell that $8 million. At least we can pretty much guarantee that someone else will be footing the back end of that bill. Some things never change. It is so much easier to root for the Rays. C'mon people. This is the MARLINS we are talking about. Grab something to hold on to because within the next year to year and a half, the rug will once again be pulled out from under us.
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Sorry for being off topic here. However, when I initially read this article I shared it here because I like to read the responses and know you guys would appreciate a good read. Thank you all for your input as it has contributed to an interesting read for me. However, I also wanted to post in on the Marlins Message Boards. For the life of me, I can't find the message boards on the team's site. Can anyone send me a link? Could it be that they actually took down the message boards because of all of the negativity? Please let me know. Thanks.
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The Marlins are at it again by Jeff Moore July 23, 2013 The Marlins front office gets a lot of free passes, unlike their major league roster, which does not. It's not easy having had to work with limited resources in a terrible stadium for all of those years, and even after owner Jeffrey Loria got his taxpayer-funded palace and painted it like the Emerald City of Oz, he all but forced his front office to go out and spend money to prove a point to the city, even if those contracts were misconstrued. The front office, consisting primarily of President Admin Beinfest and VP/GM Michael Hill, should even be generally commended for rejuvenating the farm system while getting out from under said contracts, and they have to be given credit for drafting Jose Fernandez, Christian Yelich and others. But man, once they get the talent in house, they don't have a damn clue what they're doing. I should specify here, before I get into their recent history of mismanagement and the latest false step, that it may not be Beinfest or Hill who has the final say in the decisions the Marlins are making, which appear to be largely driven by a desperate marketing attempt to sell tickets. We don't know the role Loria plays in the internal decision making that's taking place. That's why I'm lumping the entire Marlins organization together here as a whole, because as a whole, they're run the way you'd expect a 16-year-old with a learner's permit to handle an Aston Martin. So what have they done now? It was announced late Monday night that the Marlins have promoted outfield prospects Yelich and Jake Marisnick to the majors and have sent rookies Marcell Ozuna and Derek Dietrich back down to Double-A. Yes, that's right, the yo-yo-ing of Ozuna has begun, despite the fact that he never should have been promoted in the first place. I need to take the lunacy of these moves one at a time. Yelich is almost universally considered the Marlins' top prospect and one of the top all-around prospects in the game. He is a premium athlete with a great natural hitting ability and is undoubtedly their center fielder of the future. The Marlins, it should be noted, fail at understanding the concept of future. You see, despite having had success at every professional level to this point in his career, Yelich is still relatively inexperienced. The only season in which he didn't miss time with an injury was 2011, and this season he's played in just 48 games. But Yelich has succeeded when on the field and has the best shot to make the transition to the majors smoothly. Not Fernandez smoothly, but as well as can be expected by human prospects. Marisnick, on the other hand, is best classified as an athlete playing baseball, which speaks both to his potential and the risk involved in this move. While Yelich has a refined approach at the plate that leads to strong plate discipline, Marisnick does not, as he relies more on his athletic ability to have success. It's a testament to his raw talent that he's been able to post a line of .295/.357/.504 this season in Double-A, a promising sign for his future. But have the Marlins learned nothing from their extremely recent history? So recent in fact, it's involved in this transaction. The Marlins rushed Ozuna to the majors less than three months ago only to watch him flail helplessly at advanced breaking pitches he'd yet to see and get set up by pitchers he was unprepared to face. There are some similarities between Ozuna and Marisnick in that both are toolsy athletes franchises love to dream on but who require the proper time to develop. Neither received time from the Marlins. Instead, Ozuna returns to Double-A the proud owner of an 87 wRC+ and a 57/12 K/BB ratio. Additionally, the Marlins wasted over a third of a season of service time on a player who could be a legitimate piece of the future of his organization but who currently served no purpose to his major league team. In no way did the Ozuna call-up work well for the Marlins, yet they are attempting virtually the same thing with Marisnick? What's the definition of insanity again? I argued at the start of the season that, even if Fernandez won a Cy Young, that starting him in the majors was foolish. Even as much as I loved Fernandez as a minor leaguer, I had no idea he'd be this good this soon, but his presence on the Marlins in April served them no good towards their future. In fact, it damaged it. Sure, there's been the excitement over having a 20-year-old All-Star pitcher, but his success and the hype that's surrounded it haven't drowned out an otherwise miserable season for the Marlins. Was it really worth a season of having him under team control? The same thing applies to Yelich and Marlsnick. We're passed the Super-2 deadline, so there's no risk of either one getting to arbitration a year early, but if the pair was held off until next summer, it would give the Marlins control until 2020, instead of through 2019, which will be the case if they never return to the minors. Again, we're not talking about holding back major league-ready prospects here the way the Rays did with Wil Myers. This is a pair of young players who have just a half-season each of Double-A baseball under their belts. They weren't knocking on the door or even making overly impressive cases for skipping a level. Both were having strong seasons in Double-A, but most organizations would have had them spend at least some time in Triple-A before coming to the majors, especially to help a last-place team continue to be in last place. The difference between calling them up now or later this season doesn't have much effect, but given that the Marlins would have been perfectly justified waiting an entire year to call either one up, it absolutely factors into the equation. Yelich won't struggle like Ozuna did because he has a better idea of how to control the strike zone, but he also won't succeed like Fernandez has. And even if he does, what good does it do the 2013 Marlins? Marisnick, on the other hand, could be in for a similarly rough ride to what Ozuna experienced as major league pitchers expose a raw, over-aggressive approach at the plate. Regardless of the on-field performances, however, the Marlins are once again mis-managing their resources. They have the potential for a solid nucleus in a year or two, but as we saw with Ozuna, rushing prospects before they are ready can have dangerous consequences. More than anything, however, the Marlins continue to show a complete lack of a long-term plan or a window of opportunity during which they are aiming to compete. Like a fat kid in home economics who eats the brownie before it's fully cooked, the Marlins are basing their decisions on immediate needs and urges, many of which are based not on long-term baseball planning but on marketing and public relations goals. It's no way to run an organization, and it's no way to handle this moment in a kid's life. I hope Marisnick and Yelich, and the rest of the young talent in the Marlins organization, find nothing but success in the majors, but much like the luck involved on a ball in play, success in the end result doesn't necessarily mean the execution to get there was done properly.
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lol. Now this is funny. Add Bobby Abreu to the list of "end of their career" type players that are looking for a place to start. Do I smell a pattern here? Will Sammy Sosa be next? http://www.fantasysp.com/player/mlb/Bobby_Abreu/2646078/the-miami-heralds-barry-jackson-reports-that-bobby-abreus
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Loria is a spineless bastard. It is because of him that we will not be able to sign any good players long term. Who is gonna sign here when we offer no no-trade clauses and the owners word is worth donkey-d**k? Well, apparently long term or not, some guys still want to come to Miami. Who would've thought..... Garcia interested in Marlins Posted 12 hrs 45 mins ago via CBSSports.com The Miami Herald reported on Sunday that pitcher Freddy Garcia 'would love to play' for the Marlins in 2013. Garcia, a Miami resident, went 7-6 with a 5.20 ERA in 30 appearances (17 starts) for the Yankees last season. [...] Garcia interested in Marlins Posted 12 hrs 45 mins ago via CBSSports.com The Miami Herald reported on Sunday that pitcher Freddy Garcia 'would love to play' for the Marlins in 2013. Garcia, a Miami resident, went 7-6 with a 5.20 ERA in 30 appearances (17 starts) for the Yankees last season. [...]
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The Miami Marlins shouldn't get a dime of revenue sharing money
Pnino replied to Backin2008's topic in Miami Marlins
Fire sale, fire schmale... I hate the trade and the rebuilding too but from a business sense its not insane. We've sucked for two years straight and we got a crop of top prospects from Toronto. Emotionally it sucks. From a business sense, Loria can make a valid argument that this is intended to give us a better future. The Marlins aren't the first team to sell off players and go into a rebuilding mode. Its totally time to get over it. Theyre still a major league team, nothing is gonna change that. You should change your name from SilverBullet to SilverLining. I guess there is a silver lining to this catastrophe afterall. Kudos. -
Given the bullpen is in a state of flux. It doesn't seem that anybody outside of Nunez' role has been cemented due the struggles thus far. But I find it interesting that the Hopper was chosen to close out the game yesterday. I've imagined him being used as a long reliever (5th or 6th inning). But considering the fact that he has been pretty solid, other than the loss the other day, could it be that the Fish will consider using him later in the game in our ever important 7th and 8th innings? Your thoughts?
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Can anybody tell me when the first round of cuts take place in ST? Wondering who will be sent down or let go.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Rays-and-Marlins-after-Blalock?urn=mlb,221516 Rays and Marlins after Blalock By Mark J. Miller Hank Blalock(notes) hit .234 with 21 doubles and 25 home runs for the Texas Rangers last year, bringing in 66 runs and scoring 62 himself. And his former teammates thought he was a great guy to have around in the clubhouse. But still he's gone unsigned this offseason. "I don't know if teams think he can't play defense or injuries are the problem," said Ian Kinsler(notes) to MLB.com. "But the guy showed he can play third base in the past and last year he showed he could play an above-average first base. He surprised me how well he played there last year." The Atlanta Braves, Baltimore Orioles, Cleveland Indians, and Pittsburgh Pirates all had some interest but went in different directions. It now appears that Blalock may soon find himself with a contract. The word is that the Florida Marlins and Tampa Bay Rays are both interested in signing him, according to MLB Trade Rumors.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-reds-rolen&prov=ap&type=lgns CINCINNATI (AP)—Scott Rolen(notes) agreed to a two-year contract extension with the Cincinnati Reds through the 2012 season, an indication of how much they value the 34-year-old third baseman as a clubhouse leader. Rolen had one season left on an eight-year, $90 million deal that he signed with St. Louis. He will get $11 million next year, one of four Reds players scheduled to make that much. Cincinnati is trying to trade at least one of them to lower the payroll. The Reds got Rolen in a trade with Toronto last July, giving up third baseman Edwin Encarnacion(notes) and pitchers Josh Roenicke(notes) and Zach Stewart to get a clubhouse leader. Rolen batted .270 with three homers and 24 RBIs in 40 games for the Reds. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Considering his injury riddled past, I don't believe this to be a wise move. Should have just kept him on a year to year basis. Plus 11 million is a lot for this guy. Maybe back in his prime, but he is definitely on the decline. Huge risk. This article doesn't even say how much they will pay him the second year. Anybody?
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This guy did bring a lot of hype w/ him. I remember reading some Cub Forums last season after the trade. Many Cub fans were not happy about losing Ceda. Can't wait till ST to see what all the hype is about. He sounds pretty amazing.
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I had some interesting conversations with a few Marlins FO and players the other night. Some rather enlightening, and all very interesting. But this apparently isn't the forum for that. Too easy for some to twist things into being "anti-establishment" propaganda. Nobody would do that, would they? :lol C'mon, Bob. You seem to be an absolutely reasonable sort, surely you can enlighten us a bit further, notwithstanding the tendencies of some to spout nonsense. This is the sort of insight, good, bad or indifferent that we rarely get from the beat presstitutes. I'm begging you. Elucidate further. lol. This guys comes off as if he craps silk and farts sprinkles. Gotta be Jeffery Loria in disguise. :disguise Keep it to yourself, Bronco. I totally get where your coming from. Some things are better left alone.
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:fit :fit Oh God! My eyes, my eyes..... what the heck is that?
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-cubs-marinerstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns SEATTLE (AP)—Mercurial outfielder Milton Bradley(notes) was traded to the Seattle Mariners from the Chicago Cubs on Friday for expensive and underperforming pitcher Carlos Silva(notes). Chicago has been wanting to deal Bradley since the Cubs suspended him for the final two weeks of last season, shortly after he criticized the atmosphere surrounding a team that hasn’t won a World Series since 1908. Seattle, which has never even appeared in a World Series, didn’t expect to find a suitor for Silva. He has done little except lose and get hurt in the two seasons since he signed a $48 million, four-year contract. Silva won five games in two years with the Mariners: $4.8 million per victory. Second-year Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik, who inherited Silva’s contract from predecessor Bill Bavasi, has been seeking more offense following his acquisition of ace Cliff Lee(notes) in a trade with Philadelphia and the signing All-Star infielder Chone Figgins(notes). Seattle’s GM characterized Bradley’s fire as a passion to win. The 31-year-old Bradley was an All-Star in 2008 as a designated hitter with Texas. He led the AL in on-base percentage while batting a career high-tying .321 during a relatively event-free year. That was followed by a tumultuous season with the Cubs. Seattle believes clubhouse leader Ken Griffey Jr.(notes) and newcomer Figgins will be able to rein in Bradley’s “passion� in a way that is productive. The Mariners repeatedly have proclaimed they want players of high character with good attitudes, citing Figgins as the latest example on Tuesday. They also wanted another bat. “We have been looking to add offense to our club and in Milton have a player who has always gotten on base and has the ability to drive in runs,� Zduriencik said in a statement. “He is passionate about winning, as we are, and we believe he’ll be a good fit here.� The 30-year-old Silva appeared in eight games for Seattle this year while missing most of the season with a bad pitching shoulder. He was a 1-3 with an 8.60 ERA. Silva was 5-18 with a 6.81 ERA in two seasons with Seattle after leaving Minnesota.
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I'd prefer if we sign JJ and forget about Chapman. Chapman is going to be out of our reach for simply financial reasons while, right now, JJ isn't. And JJ has actually proven himself in the big leagues as a potential ace, if he's not an ace already. I don't even want Chapman, and I'm pretty sure this is just to excite the fanbase for a little while. This can't be realistic. According to a friend from the FO at Thursday night's Holiday Party, it is realistic. After traveling to Houston to watch him pitch, the Fish have put a bid in on the guy. Now it's wait and see. Call me a skeptic, but I'm not really feeling it. I just cannot fathom this management team actually getting into a bidding war vs the Boston Red Sox and other larger market teams. This truly feels like one of those things where they can later say "Hey, we really tried to get him" simply to put forth the image of making an effort. It does feel like one of those things simply to excite the fanbase.
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The Orioles will have a great outfield, 1/2/3 Hitters if they sign Holliday to go with Jones and Markakis. You are not kidding. That is actually a pretty formidable trio there. Hopefully they can make a little noise soon in the Big East.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121609-rosenthal-morosi-on-orioles-holliday Dammit! If this is true, I have to say that the Mariners and Orioles are seriously impressing me with the aggressiveness they are showing this offseason. Sources: Orioles jump into Holliday sweepstakes The Cardinals are not the only team pursuing free-agent left fielder Matt Holliday. The Orioles have jumped into the bidding, though both the seriousness of their efforts and Holliday’s desire to play in Baltimore are in question, major-league sources say. Holliday, 29, is unlikely to go to the Orioles — a team coming off 12 straight losing seasons — unless they make him a much stronger offer than the Cardinals. The Orioles, meanwhile, might only participate in the Holliday sweepstakes as a token gesture, an effort to demonstrate to their fans that they are trying to improve. Still, the idea of Holliday signing with the Orioles could make sense for a number of reasons: • Holliday would join a team on the rise. The Orioles, deep in young talent, are becoming aggressive in free agency and trades as they seek to return to contention in the highly competitive AL East. The team traded for right-hander Kevin Millwood during the winter meetings, then reached agreement Wednesday night on free-agent contracts for left-handed closer Mike Gonzalez and third baseman Garrett Atkins. • The Orioles have the money. A year ago, the O’s bid $140 million over seven years for free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira. Teixeira, who grew up in a Baltimore suburb, had greater value to the Orioles than Holliday. The bid, however, demonstrated that the O’s are capable of making such a move. • The relationship between Holliday and Atkins. The two are close friends from their days together with the Rockies. One executive, before Atkins signed with the Orioles, speculated that the infielder might follow Holliday to the Cardinals. That option no longer is available, and Holliday will not take less money from the Orioles simply to play with Atkins. Still, the Orioles’ signing of Atkins should only help them make a positive impression on Holliday. • The unpredictability of Orioles owner Peter Angelos. Angelos clearly is more willing to deal with Holliday’s agent, Scott Boras, than in the past. The bid for Teixeira was one example, the signing of Gonzalez was another. Both are represented by Boras, as is Millwood, who is under contract for only one more year. The Orioles, under Angelos, have taken occasional plunges into free agency, signing outfielder Albert Belle to a five-year, $65 million contract after the 1998 season and shortstop Miguel Tejada to a six- year, $72 million deal after the 2003 season. Holliday might cost twice as much as Tejada, if not more. But signing him would energize the Orioles’ beaten-down fan base. • The increased depth could help the Orioles trade for pitching. The Orioles already boast one of the game’s best young outfields — Nolan Reimold, Adam Jones and Nick Markakis. Adding Holliday would give them the flexibility to make other moves. Reimold, coming off surgery to repair a partial tear of his left Achilles tendon, will have greater trade value once he is healthy. But if the Orioles added Holliday, they could move Reimold to first base and trade outfielder Luke Scott. The best guess, still, is that Holliday will return to the Cardinals. The Mets, who touched base with Boras on Wednesday, are more likely to sign Jason Bay. No other suitor has publicly emerged. The Orioles, without question, qualify as a longshot. But, at some undetermined level, they are in the game.
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Thinking about it, I believe the ONLY way that Chapman pitches for the Fish is if he is sold on the Cuban ties front. Financially, we can't compete. I'd imagine they will pitch him the Cuban ties angle. I'd imagine it being the only way.
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Funny. Heard Sampson on the Dan LeBatard show today. I almost died laughing. He was dead serious in saying that the Fish are going to be in the mix for Chapman. Said the Fish sent three of their best scouts. It actually sounded like he had a straight face when he said it. If the Red Sox are STARTING the bidding at 15.5 million, I'd imagine that my beloved Fish have already lost the bidding process. :lol
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It seems like, out of all of the RP's we're losing, Kiko is the one that we might regret letting get away. I loved Calero the best out of the bunch that are gone: Lindstrom, Donnelly, and soon Pinto. Kiko should have been kept. Anyhow, anyone hear about that kid Ceda we got from the Cubs last season. Is he ready to jump the the majors this season?