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I've saying this for the longest. The Marlins farm system until a couple of years ago was very below average(not including the players acquired through trade). The last quotes says it all. That's the number reason why Floyd was not kept pass the trading deadline and Dempster was trade. The farm system just has produce the depth to replace talent.

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So the Marlins and Tigers are upset that Boston owner John Henry was quoted in Forbes Magazine as saying the Marlins put too much emphasis on tools and not performance? "The Marlins would draft athletes and the A's would draft ballplayers," Henry was quoted as saying. Check the records. It seems the Marlins have had one winning season -- when Wayne Huizenga bought the pennant. Tools over performance is the reason that the Marlins and Tigers are where they are, although the Marlins' Latin American development has made huge strides. Look for third baseman Miguel Cabrera, who is hitting .365 with 19 RBI in his first 16 Double-A games, to burst onto the scene very soon. The only everyday players signed and developed by the Marlins are Luis Castillo and Alex Gonzalez. The only starting pitcher is Josh Beckett, who was the second pick in the draft.

http://espn.go.com/gammons/s/2003/0421/1541824.html
 

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Marlins need to rethink their draft analysis...10 years and no mega-star like Helton, Guerrero, or Adam Dunn produced out of the farm...Its all been thru trades and for the most part (and Beckett still has yet to have a great season thru no fault of his own, not enough experience..), the draft picks have been busts...Aaron Akin, Jaime Jones, Josh Booty, etc....Renteria and Castillo are OK examples of the farm, but where is the marquee player? Where is our Vlad?
 

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I've saying this for the longest. The Marlins farm system until a couple of years ago was very below average(not including the players acquired through trade). The last quotes says it all. That's the number reason why Floyd was not kept pass the trading deadline and Dempster was trade. The farm system just has produce the depth to replace talent.

Thoughts????



So the Marlins and Tigers are upset that Boston owner John Henry was quoted in Forbes Magazine as saying the Marlins put too much emphasis on tools and not performance? "The Marlins would draft athletes and the A's would draft ballplayers," Henry was quoted as saying. Check the records. It seems the Marlins have had one winning season -- when Wayne Huizenga bought the pennant. Tools over performance is the reason that the Marlins and Tigers are where they are, although the Marlins' Latin American development has made huge strides. Look for third baseman Miguel Cabrera, who is hitting .365 with 19 RBI in his first 16 Double-A games, to burst onto the scene very soon. The only everyday players signed and developed by the Marlins are Luis Castillo and Alex Gonzalez. The only starting pitcher is Josh Beckett, who was the second pick in the draft.

http://espn.go.com/gammons/s/2003/0421/1541824.html
Umm, maybe Peter Gammons should check out his information better. I don't know about the Marlins' draft record, but the Tigers have not drafted tools over performance.

Since 1997, Matt Anderson, Jeff Weaver, Eric Munson and Kenny Baugh have been taken out of college. Anderson was just a cheap pick, Weaver was a great pick and the nation's strike out leader, Munson hit great in college (has yet to put it together in MLB), and Baugh was viewed as the pitcher most ready for the major leagues but he got injured and needed Tommy John surgery and is just starting to pitch again.

We are not the trainwreck of a team that we are because of the tools over results thing. The minors have been a problem, but the cheapie owner has frozen the payroll since 2001. He is the one that is killing this team - it takes more to win in MLB than in the NHL. I love how this greedy mizar is losing lots of money this year though! The Wings getting swept out of the playoffs and baseball attendance that is tied with you guys is sure going to kill his finances. I'm glad attendance is way down, half of what it was in 2000.
 

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Castillo and Alex are the only players still starting for the Marlins, true. But there are players starting for other teams too. Charles Johnson, Mark Kotsay, Renteria for starters. And at this point the Marlins system is right up there near the top. Cabrera, Stokes, Gonzalez, Willis, Levinski....

Look, the Colorado Rockies came into the league at the same time. So where's the list of great players they developed? Or the Devil Rays? How about the Diamondbacks? Why haven't I seen these lists of great players?

Oh that's right, because there aren't any. They have one or two players at most.
 

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