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The Marlins all this time knew about burnetts injury! People have been telling Torborg and reporters. They just kept it quiet! Why did they do this. They want to injury there best starter we have had in a long time?

Now Burnett will never sign with us anymore until Loria, Beinfest and Samson leave :banghead

PHOENIX -- The Marlins' medical staff knew A.J. Burnett had a bone spur on his right elbow before the right-hander first went on the disabled in August but didn't tell manager Jeff Torborg or pitching coach Brad Arnsberg, a team source said Thursday.

"I just wish everyone knew there was stuff not divulged that was essential to a pitching coach and a manager about making proper decisions,'' the team official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"There were (X-rays) taken and it showed things before we knew anything. The pictures showed a spur on the back of the elbow bone.''

The Marlins denied the accusation after Burnett said in a conference call with reporters Thursday: "There's a rumor out there that our management had known there was a bone spur in my elbow upon arriving from the Montreal Expos to the Florida Marlins, and both Brad Arnsberg and Jeff Torborg were not told about this. I'm sure if they were told about this, I would have been handled differently.''

General Manager Admin Beinfest said he didn't know why Burnett would make such a statement. "It is among the most outrageous and ridiculous statements I have heard in this game,'' Beinfest said, "I find that unbelievable.''

Dr. Dan Kanell, the team's physician, said if he had found a bone spur, he would tell Burnett and no one else because of confidentiality issues.

Told about Kanell's confidentiality issue, Burnett said he was never told he had a bone spur until August. But Burnett said the front office might have been aware of it earlier -- perhaps even during spring training in 2002.

"When you have people who know I had something and didn't take an X-ray in spring training... you kind of wonder about that,'' Burnett said. "I believe Skip and Arnie would have totally handled me differently had they known something was in my elbow.''

Like blisters that develop when the skin rubs against something, bone spurs form when bone rubs against bone because of a breakdown of cartilage.

Kanell said 30 percent of all major-league pitchers have spurs on their elbow and pitch with no problems.

But Torborg said he would have handled Burnett differently if he knew he had a spur on the elbow.

"If we ever had any idea that A.J. had a bone spur, he would never have been taken the number of pitches that he was taken. Never,'' said Torborg, adding he had no reason to think the staff withheld information from him or Arnsberg.

Last season, Burnett averaged 111 pitches per start, third-highest in the major leagues, and topped 120 pitches 10 times.

"With anybody we thought had a problem, there would have been a certain game plan of limiting him how far we took him each time,'' Torborg said.

Beinfest said there would have been X-rays taken of Burnett when owner Jeffrey Loria took over the Marlins in February 2002.

"I will tell you A.J. Burnett was not red-flagged for any medical reason last spring (2002). I find these statements regrettable.''

Burnett went on the disabled list three times because of the elbow in August, March and Saturday. He underwent reconstructive surgery on his elbow Tuesday and is out for 12 to 18 months.

Kanell disputed trainer Sean Cunningham's contention that Burnett may have torn the ulnar collateral ligament as late as August.

Kanell said Dr. James Andrews, who performed the Tommy John surgery, found no tear on two previous magnetic resonance imaging exams, taken in August and March.

An MRI taken Monday showed a tear for the first time, Kanell said.

Burnett may not pitch until 2005 at the earliest.

"If I had to bet on a hundred guys coming back from this injury, he'd the guy I'd put my money on to be the first one back and performing the best. Dr. Andrews felt the same way,'' Kanell said.

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if this is true.. than Front Office is a b*tch #$%%#%#$!@$@#@#... I still find it interesting that the front office would do such a thing.. What's the benifet about that? :mischief2 :confused
 

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There is already a thread on this article.
 

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that article is from Friday.....

look at the date
 

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Your link shows it to be dated May 2nd.

:mischief2
 

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This is crazy. The stupid thing is, if they knew, why wouldn't they take care of it then? We weren't in contention in August, so if they had it removed then, he would have been ready for this season at the beginning.... geeezzz....
 

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Heads Must Role.




Not only will this effect signing AJ this offseason....


But it wll also inhibit signing the other starters and any other top pitcher in the Major Leagues who becomes a free agent.



This also reinforces why the front office did not ever entertain the thoughts of signing AJ to a multiyear contract.



Simply put.....The people in the Marlins front office need to be stripped of their titles, be it by Loria or MLB.


There is NO room for this in baseball.


In fact I would like to see Selig step in and say that Loria MUST sell the team and/or completely overhaul the front office, unless it can be proven Loria knew about this and did nothing.



There simply is no room for second chances here.



You are talking about integrity and doing things right. There are no second chances.



If this is true, and it is seeming more and more like it is....




HEADS MUST ROLL
 

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Cripes!! What a**holes!! You would think they would have at least alerted Torborg and Arnsberg after AJ started having elbow problems. Now if this was the Old Marlin's regime, I would say I wouldn't be surprised because there are so many prospects who had shoulder problems and they were just encourage to rest or take anti-infammatory drugs. There were quite a few that ended up with surgery. Nate Bump being one. On another thread he was called a mid level prospect. He wasn't mid level when he was traded to the Marlins and to my knowledge only had shoulder problems AFTER he had been with the Marlins! I think Geoff Goetz and Wes Anderson also had surgery after coming to the Marlins.
How come the athlete isn't given any medical information BEFORE the team receives it? I think under the new federal privacy act, the patient should certainly be given all info before the team receives it!
 

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I think you guys are over reacting. How would not disclosing the injury benefit the Marlins? If anything, it would have been beneficial to reveal the injury in regards to the arbitration case. It also could have been used to justify them not offering a long term deal when they were taking so much heat.

I think it's a ploy by Torborg & Arnsberg to deflect criticism and salvage their careers.
 

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I think if what has been reported is true......



then there is no overreaction at all.




Note: Never have I taken a position that any of this is true....I have simply stated what needs to occur if any of these reports are true in any way.
 

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I guess from that standpoint I would have to agree with you Das. If Loria, Sampson & Beinfest knew AJ was injured, and they didn't tell AJ, Torborg & Arnsberg and kept sending him out to pitch there would have to be serious ramifications.

The other thing that doesn't make sense is that AJ wasn't checked out by some doctor in Hialeah - he visted the world's most reknowned pitching/arm specialist in Dr. James Andrews of Birmingham, AL. For Andrews not to disclose an injury or misdiagnose is preposterous.
 

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But the question is....Doesn't Andrews or any other orthopedic doctor tell the athlete first? I mean, you wouldn't want you own doctor calling your place of work and telling them the results of your medical tests before telling you, would you?
 

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Excellent point. And what pitcher and what type of agent wouldn't have all the details following each and every examination?

It seemed like Brad Penny knew all about his exams. He was defending himself (along with the front office) when those bogus allegations surfaced last year.

Again, I can't believe this story. I don't want to believe either.

Conspiracy theory - Torborg & Arnie are trying to pass the buck.
 

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