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http://www.miamiherald.com/416/story/91725.html

House turns friendly to slots bill
BY MARY ELLEN KLAS
meklas@MiamiHerald.com

TALLAHASSEE -- Offering an apparent olive branch to the state Senate on property taxes, the House signaled Monday it is ready to loosen its anti-gambling stance and let nine parimutels around the state offer slot machines -- as long as the money goes to reduce property taxes.

The House Environment and Natural Resources Council voted 13-1 to allow some of the state's horse and dog tracks and jai-alai frontons, including three in Miami-Dade, to offer so-called video lottery terminals.

The terminals, also called Class II machines, are identical to casino-style slots, but produce lower payouts because players in essence bet against one another and not the house.

The estimated $1 billion raised from those nine facilites would be sent to school districts across the state, which would have to use the money to reduce property taxes now levied to pay for schools.

If the plan is approved, taxpayers could see savings of about 10 to 20 percent on the schools portion of their property tax bill.

''It's a tax cut,'' said the council's chairman, Rep. Stan Mayfield, a Vero Beach Republican. He offered no explanation for why the bill appeared out of nowhere in the last days of the session or why a gambling bill was sent to his council as its only stop before it is voted on by the full House.

The bill serves as more than a tax cut: It shows the Senate that the House is willing to push through the gambling expansion bill that is important to Senate leaders, with the hope that the Senate will in turn pass a bill very important to House Speaker Marco Rubio and his leadership team: a bill to help build a new stadium for the Florida Marlins baseball team.

The Senate passed its gambling bill last week. It would allow all 25 parimutuels in the state to expand to Class II slots. That plan would generate up to $1.9 billion in new revenue, according to Senate estimates.

The House plan is more targeted. It limits the new slots games to parimutuels in counties with populations of more than 800,000, or within 40 miles of an existing casino operated by an Indian tribe. The bill prohibits Broward County parimutuels from offering the machines, unless they give up the Vegas-style Class III gaming devices they now use.

The bill's sponsor, Rep. David Rivera, said the measure is necessary to help parimutuels compete with the Indian tribes, such as the Seminoles' Hard Rock Casino in Hollywood.

''This is consistent with the theme of competition,'' Rivera said. ``It's also a bill about property-tax relief.''

A couple of committee members complained that the issue was rushed through.

''I just found out about this,'' said Rep. Rich Glorioso, a Plant City Republican. ``I don't like this bill but I'm going to let it go to the floor because I believe anything this large and of this magnitude needs to be [decided] by the entire chamber.''

Mayfield said the bill is likely to be refined and changed before it comes to a vote before the full House, and added, ``I'm not even sure it's going to make it that far."
 

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I've been following this development. It seems very promising.

*paging Senator Geller, paging Senator Geller*
 

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This proposed bill that would allow some form of slot machines in some new venues throughout the state is roughly a gazillion times(ok, maybe only 100 times) more important to the citizen's of the state than the Marlins sales tax rebate. But since this is a Marlins message board I won't get into that.
One thing though....maybe I'm missing something. I understand that there's a quid pro quo that goes on when our esteemed senators and representatives make our laws....but where did the connection come in that the quid pro quo in this case involves the Marlins sales tax rebate issue. I would thnk that there's many other issues that Speaker Rubio is interested in. At least I hope there are. I think that the entire paragraph that Mary Klas wrote about a connection between the gambling bill and Marlins sales tax rebate bill is something that she pulled out of her azz, along with whatever quid pro quo she received from MLB. True or not, don't be surprised if Mary Klas winds up with some primo World Series tix.
 

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Nothing wrong with floating up things like that. But I heard the Anderson and Slots issues are being used as chips by the House.
 

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Nothing wrong with floating up things like that. But I heard the Anderson and Slots issues are being used as chips by the House.
I agree that the slots issue is a big bargaining chip. But you seem to have your eyes and ears on the goings on in Tallahassee. Is there any reason to think that the Marlins sales tax rebate is the thing that Speaker Rubio is willing to trade this chip for? To me, it seems like trading a big chip for a little chip.
 

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Nothing wrong with floating up things like that. But I heard the Anderson and Slots issues are being used as chips by the House.
I agree that the slots issue is a big bargaining chip. But you seem to have your eyes and ears on the goings on in Tallahassee. Is there any reason to think that the Marlins sales tax rebate is the thing that Speaker Rubio is willing to trade this chip for? To me, it seems like trading a big chip for a little chip.
I think mounds of chips are going to be exchanged. The 3 big issues up there are Taxes, Insurance (Home and Auto), and Anderson. But the smaller issues of slots and the Marlins Ballpark can both be applied as throw-in chips for taxes.

Slots + Martin Lee Anderson = Taxes + Marlins Ballpark + Some other 100 ideas projects to Rubio IMO. Rubio can show off a ballpark, slots are something meh. Tax reform for the House is drastic....but cutting the need for schools to use property taxes can make the Senate happy (no sales tax increase) and the House happy (lower taxes period) while allowing the House to forget its "concerns" about vice for the ballpark passing.

So the ballpark chip is actually in exchange for the House's concerns over vice. The slots chip is for taxes. So if this happens, Rubio would take the ballpark in exchange for the Senate getting its sin tax for education (that is what slots are after all) passed.

The slots would allow the House to cut property taxes, but let the Senate stay off the sales tax issue.

time is runnnig out may 4 is near
Today is Monday, Sine Die is Friday at earliest. Tomorrow we shall know if Friday is the last day of session or not. If the Budget is not completed and ready tomorrow, Friday will not be the last day.
 

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As a homeowner, citizen, and super-duper Marlins fan I'd have to rate the following issues on a scale of 1 to 100 as follows:
1. Insurance ............. .. 100
2. Property tax ................60
3. Slots in more places......10
4. Marlins sales tax rebate...2
 

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The Anderson Incident is getting alot of play in the media in Tallahassee. Every single newscast, every day a march on the Capitol.

It gets intense, and it is very targeted.
 

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The Anderson Incident is getting alot of play in the media in Tallahassee. Every single newscast, every day a march on the Capitol.

It gets intense, and it is very targeted.
Ummm...I missed this. Is this something you can elaborate on briefly, or should I use the google?
 

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The Anderson Incident is getting alot of play in the media in Tallahassee. Every single newscast, every day a march on the Capitol.

It gets intense, and it is very targeted.
Ummm...I missed this. Is this something you can elaborate on briefly, or should I use the google?
Let me check WCTV's website for today's story and associated video.

http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/7223711.html

Here is more from Panama City's WJHG: http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/7069942.html

This is a very ugly, racially-charged case out of Bay County.
 

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Was Anderson the teenager that was in some sort of correctional facility? Teen-age boot camp?
 

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Doesn't the state of Florida give out a ridiculous amount of scholarships from lottery profits?


Just a thought.
 

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Doesn't the state of Florida give out a ridiculous amount of scholarships from lottery profits?


Just a thought.
Not a giveaway. Takes a 3.0 GPA in high school for 75%, 3.5 for 100%+, and you have to stay in Florida for college. I have 100% Bright Futures for FSU. The Lottery only would have been approved how it was...for education. Bright Futures is the fruit of that labor.

The Florida Lotto is untouchable...period.

This slots deal is nowhere near as big, but it could be if done right. Florida's School Boards are the largest taxers in the State to property owners. Some counties have almost 40-50% of the property tax bill for schools.

Was Anderson the teenager that was in some sort of correctional facility? Teen-age boot camp?
Yes, the Bay County Sheriff's Boot Camp.
 

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Good God, that's ridiculous. So from what you're telling me, I can go to high school in Florida, get a 3.6, go to UF, and won't pay a dime?! Even if my folks make $100k+?

That's absurd.
 

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Good God, that's ridiculous. So from what you're telling me, I can go to high school in Florida, get a 3.6, go to UF, and won't pay a dime?! Even if my folks make $100k+?

That's absurd.
Not absurd, no Bright Futures, no Lottery. You get into UF with a 3.6 (good luck....that may not do it unless FSU filled up quick :p ) then you will get 100% of your tuition (usually $3-4k a year), $300 a semester for books, and $300 a semester for lab fees. But you have to get into one of the 11 state universities or 20-some community colleges for that. If you go to a private school, like the University of Miami or Stetson, then you get a lump sum annually (I believe $10k, but you can apply for another $10k through an access grant).

The idea is that it should be harder to get into college than to pay for it.

The State also gives those with a 3.0 high school GPA a bonus if they do their first 2 years at a Community College instead of a University by paying 100% tuition for the community college versus just 75% for the ones that go to the big school.

It helps that our community college and state university system are standardized along with the K-12 system.

I personally not only get Bright Futures, but also an FSU 21st Century Scholarship of $2k a year to help cover my living expenses a bit in Tallahassee. I use it to pay for books that my $300 BFS stipend does not cover.

Most schools have the same thing. Most also offer bonuses (usually $500) if you come in with 4+ AP exams passed satisfactorily (that means a 3+ score).

The Governor only guarantees the Top 20% will have a seat in a State University, but not always the one of your choice. I got a nice Talented Twenty letter guaranteeing me that seat. I was able to get mine at FSU, which was my first choice. FIU also extended me a seat. I didn't apply to UF or any other big state school. FGCU is where most of my buddies went off to. Staying at home is big in Florida.
 

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Not absurd, no Bright Futures, no Lottery. You get into UF with a 3.6 then you will get 100% of your tuition (usually $3-4k a year), $300 a semester for books, and $300 a semester for lab fees. But you have to get into one of the 11 state universities or 20-some community colleges for that. If you go to a private school, like the University of Miami or Stetson, then you get a lump sum annually (I believe $10k, but you can apply for another $10k through an access grant).

The idea is that it should be harder to get into college than to pay for it.

The State also gives those with a 3.0 high school GPA a bonus if they do their first 2 years at a Community College instead of a University by paying 100% tuition for the community college versus just 75% for the ones that go to the big school.

It helps that our community college and state university system are standardized along with the K-12 system.

That's all you get! That blows. Back in the day (before any real lottery windfalls), we had the "Florida Scholars Program" which meant if you got an 1100 SAT or 24 ACT, and a 3.5 GPA or higher, the state gave you $2,500.00. That paid for all of your tuition ($1,200.00) and room/board ($1,300.00) at a state school. Or you could take the $2,500.00 and go to a private state school (but why would you want to do that). I went to college for "free" (NO TUITION, NO DORM FEES, NO MEAL PLAN FEES!). All I paid for was books and beer!
 

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