What's new

Marlins president implores fans to 'give us a chance'

Ema2R

LumberKing
Joined
Jul 19, 2012
Messages
2,269
Reaction score
68
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1714352

The latest phase of the Miami Marlins' rebuild is complete after the team tradedAll-Star catcher J.T. Realmuto to the Philadelphia Phillies. Now, all eyes in south Florida are on the future.

Despite the ongoing teardown that began during the 2017-18 offseason when the Marlins dealt Giancarlo Stanton, Christian Yelich, Marcell Ozuna, and Dee Gordon, the club's president of baseball operations, Michael Hill, doesn't think the 2019 season is a total write-off.

“I would tell our fans to just give us a chance," Hill said, according to Tim Reynolds of The Associated Press. "So many people have written off the Marlins and really haven’t taken an opportunity to take a deep look at what we’re building. When you have a lot to do, it’s going to take time and we understand where we’re at. But we’ve been able to add a tremendous amount of talent over the last 18 months."

Hill also said the team has added 38 prospects and high-upside players since the Derek Jeter-led regime change, and prior to that, the prospect cupboard was mostly empty.

The haul Miami received from Philadelphia in exchange for Realmuto included some of that new talent. Jorge Alfaro is expected to slot in as the team's starting catcher this season, and right-hander Sixto Sanchez immediately became the most highly touted prospect in the Marlins' farm system.

In October, the Marlins signed Cuban outfielders Victor Victor Mesa and Victor Mesa Jr. to minor-league deals, both of whom could make an impact at the major-league level.

Still, the Marlins are coming off a 63-98 season and aren't projected to be much better in 2019. It's been a while since they last sniffed the postseason, too, and the team hasn't posted a winning record since 2009. Miami also hasn't appeared in a playoff game since winning the 2003 World Series.

 

taiwanmarlin

Hammerhead
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
7,480
Reaction score
168
I'm not yet to read this, but give Hill an upvote first.

 

Erick

LumberKing
Joined
Apr 1, 2013
Messages
31,154
Reaction score
84
I’m not giving Mike Hill a chance; he should be fired. I guess I’ll give everyone else a chance.

 

SonOfJack

Omnichannel Integration Expert
Writer
Joined
May 10, 2017
Messages
13,615
Reaction score
1,477
I’m not giving Mike Hill a chance; he should be fired. I guess I’ll give everyone else a chance.
I am really surprised he kept his job when DJ cleaned house. Unless he's just waiting for his contract to expire.

 

SilverBullet

Marlin
Moderator
Joined
Jul 5, 2005
Messages
28,594
Reaction score
1,466
I am really surprised he kept his job when DJ cleaned house. Unless he's just waiting for his contract to expire.
We thought that at the beginning but it would be really weird to do that after so long. If Jeter truly believes we have done a great job in rebuilding this organization over the last year then he has to give a lot of credit to Hill so how do you let Hill go this long as just a transitional piece? You actually then run the risk of the next guy undoing everything Hill did right.

 

rmc523

Jumbo Shrimp
Joined
Dec 28, 2010
Messages
2,348
Reaction score
290
I figured he was kept for the first year as the guy who knew the system, and would be replaced this offseason, but I guess they like what he's been doing?

 

bmg42

Muckdog
Joined
May 10, 2006
Messages
187
Reaction score
3
Sure, Mike. The over/under looks like it’s right around 64. I’ll be taking the under again - if anything the Marlins should be worse this year unless a)Brinson suddenly figures out how to hit or b)VVM turns into Mike Trout. A couple of reasons for this. They had 3 guys on the whole team last year who hit over 12 HR in a league where everybody has power, and all 3 of them are gone now (JT, Bour and Dietrich). The Mets probably aren’t going to stink this year. The rotation looks basically like last year’s except they’re going to have to give Alcantara 30+ starts to see if he has a role to play in the future. The bullpen has not been improved, either. They lost 98 last year, and that was 5 games better than their Pythagorean W/L, so they were lucky not to lose 100 last year. Things are going to get worse before they get better.

 

SonOfJack

Omnichannel Integration Expert
Writer
Joined
May 10, 2017
Messages
13,615
Reaction score
1,477
Sure, Mike. The over/under looks like it’s right around 64. I’ll be taking the under again
I don't think he meant give us a chance in terms of being competitive in 2019. I think he meant give us a chance as in the future of the club and the current rebuild.

 
Last edited by a moderator:

fish53

Muckdog
Joined
Apr 12, 2015
Messages
343
Reaction score
37
I am hoping this builds, but then I hear strange explanations.  Like on Saturday, explaining the Realmuto trade, like we don't know why and understand it.  So, we get the explanation that "we traded 2 years of control for 17 years".  Sure, I get the math but it does not make sense.  Can we then say that if we went out and spent 250 million for 25 free agents on a one year deal that we are buying 25 years of control.

My point is that a silly explanation is ridiculous, just be open about it.  We all know what's up with JT at this point so the team needs to just say we made the best deal we thought was available.  Done.   

 

bmg42

Muckdog
Joined
May 10, 2006
Messages
187
Reaction score
3
I don't think he meant give us a chance in terms of being competitive in 2019. I think he meant give us a chance as in the future of the club and the current rebuild.
Actually, he was talking at least partly about 2019. “[Hill] doesn’t think the 2019 season is a total write off.” 

 

SonOfJack

Omnichannel Integration Expert
Writer
Joined
May 10, 2017
Messages
13,615
Reaction score
1,477
Actually, he was talking at least partly about 2019. “[Hill] doesn’t think the 2019 season is a total write off.” 
That was the writer.

Hill's quote was:

“I would tell our fans to just give us a chance," Hill said, according to Tim Reynolds of The Associated Press. "So many people have written off the Marlins and really haven’t taken an opportunity to take a deep look at what we’re building. When you have a lot to do, it’s going to take time and we understand where we’re at. But we’ve been able to add a tremendous amount of talent over the last 18 months."

I think it is pretty clear he didn't mean give us a chance to win in 2019.

If he thought they have a chance to win this year (he obviously doesn't) he'd be delusional. That being said, he isn't going to come out and say "We will suck this year" because that's bad business and rude to the players. He said this the right way.

I don't defend Hill often, but this one is obviously being read into incorrectly by you.

 
Last edited by a moderator:

bmg42

Muckdog
Joined
May 10, 2006
Messages
187
Reaction score
3
That was the writer.

Hill's quote was:

“I would tell our fans to just give us a chance," Hill said, according to Tim Reynolds of The Associated Press. "So many people have written off the Marlins and really haven’t taken an opportunity to take a deep look at what we’re building. When you have a lot to do, it’s going to take time and we understand where we’re at. But we’ve been able to add a tremendous amount of talent over the last 18 months."

I think it is pretty clear he didn't mean give us a chance to win in 2019.
It's on the writer then. In any case. My question to Hill would be simple - considering that the other 4 teams in the division already have much better ML rosters AND better minor league systems, how long is it going to take? 2 years? 4 years? 7 years? Because, seriously, if there's a season within the next 3-4 that we lose fewer than 95 I'll be pretty surprised.

 

Michael

Wind Surge
Moderator
VIP
Writer
Joined
Jul 9, 2004
Messages
48,492
Reaction score
739
Because, seriously, if there's a season within the next 3-4 that we lose fewer than 95 I'll be pretty surprised.
No disrespect, but ... really? Three to four YEARS, 95+ losses, starting this year? I know I'm very optimistic here with this, but I think this team, this year, can be as "good" as winning 75 games [so 87 losses]. I could be completely wrong, sure, and we lose 100 this year, but I don't think the team will be that bad, and 100% certain this team will not be losing 95+ four straight years. In fact I say 2020, 100%, closer to 80 losses than 90. I think that team could actually have a winning record, but of course a few chips have to fall into place.

 

bmg42

Muckdog
Joined
May 10, 2006
Messages
187
Reaction score
3
No disrespect, but ... really? Three to four YEARS, 95+ losses, starting this year? I know I'm very optimistic here with this, but I think this team, this year, can be as "good" as winning 75 games [so 87 losses]. I could be completely wrong, sure, and we lose 100 this year, but I don't think the team will be that bad, and 100% certain this team will not be losing 95+ four straight years. In fact I say 2020, 100%, closer to 80 losses than 90. I think that team could actually have a winning record, but of course a few chips have to fall into place.
No disrespect from me, either, but I’d love to know what makes you think they’re going to be even a little better, let alone a lot better. Remember that “the process” usually requires 3-4 years of sucking (the Astros had four years as bad or worse than what the Marlins just had)

 

Michael

Wind Surge
Moderator
VIP
Writer
Joined
Jul 9, 2004
Messages
48,492
Reaction score
739
No disrespect from me, either, but I’d love to know what makes you think they’re going to be even a little better, let alone a lot better. Remember that “the process” usually requires 3-4 years of sucking (the Astros had four years as bad or worse than what the Marlins just had)
Yes, Houston had three straight 100+ loss years before jumping to a 70-92 record and then 86-76 the year after that. It was the middle of the three 100+ loss years when they got a new owner and started to turn everything around. And from their 51-111 season in 2013, they jumped to 70-92 in 2014 and then playoffs in 2015. Truthfully I'd say their process began when ownership changed.

Not going to say it'll be exactly the same situation here, of course. And as I said, "very optimistic here" but I don't think a 75 win season is impossible. If the idea this year really is to go at it and not just give people playing time, then I think at least an eight (and a half) game improvement [so 90 losses]. Adjustments made, a year of growth, all that jazz. Then 2020 is closer to a winning season, if not at or just over .500.

We'll see of course - I'm not saying 2019 is going to be a "great" season or even a "good" one. Just a step in the right direction.

 

SixYearItch

Muckdog
Joined
Oct 30, 2008
Messages
799
Reaction score
2
I think the pitching staff does have a chance to be somewhat respectable, giving that term the broadest possible definition, provided the bullpen gets shored up with a one or more decent veteran arms. So that has the potential of being the "step in the right direction". But lets not kid ourselves, the positional lineup taking the field will be atrocious, I dare say amongst the worst the game will have ever seen. Runs will be more scarce then they've ever been in the history of this franchise, and that's saying something. If one could discern improvement, it certainly won't be from considering this year's won/loss record.

 

DTrain

LumberKing
Joined
Aug 26, 2014
Messages
3,425
Reaction score
67
The Marlins won’t sniff 77 wins this year.  They were projected to win 65-66 games before their best player was traded. 

With that said, to say you’ll be very surprised if the Marlins lose less than 95 games 3 or 4 years from now is just dumb.  This team in 2021 will either make the playoffs or be on the cusp of the playoffs.  They’re going to get yet another high draft pick this year and make another substantial IFA signing.  

 

Top Bottom