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Another point to consider. You can’t make people want to sign with the marlins. They’ve got some proving to do to make themselves desirable and credible to free agents. Yes I know money talks and the easy comeback is that players always take more money. While they may be true in many instances, sometimes they do take less if they really want a certain team (MadBum). The desirable names with multiple teams asking are probably going to be out of reach. It doesn’t have to always be that way but it might have to be in the near term.
not lowballing with offers would be a start.
I pointed this out before too - the Marlins have zero selling points at this juncture as a team outside of "hey, no state income tax!" for FA's. They HAVE to overpay to bring in notable guys right now. I'm not saying to cripple the franchise but yeah, you're going to have to overpay. Obviously not EVERY player will take the most money but I think it would be very fair to say 95% will go where the longest and most lucrative contract is since this is their job. And of that small percentage the bulk of those players are older vets wanting to compete for a ring that may take a bit less to play near home, etc. but the Marlins don't really have any business signing those type of guys to significant deals at this juncture in the rebuild anyway.
Very few players of the ilk that the Marlins should be acquiring are going to turn down the largest offer if they are far from their final playing days. So far it just reeks of cheapness at this point. I'm still going to say that the Kemp signing isn't their "mystery bat" though. If it's just a spring invite then so be it - won't hurt to kick the tires on that. Look at that, me being positive and it's not even 2020 yet.
 

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I think it matters more because they said it was time to add and if Matt Kemp is the big addition they're insane.

Also gotta show an effort to not have a 3rd 100 loss season in a row.
I know we are probably gonna be bad the next 2 years, but I think at least 1 will be less than 100 loses.
 

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Another point to consider. You can’t make people want to sign with the marlins. They’ve got some proving to do to make themselves desirable and credible to free agents. Yes I know money talks and the easy comeback is that players always take more money. While they may be true in many instances, sometimes they do take less if they really want a certain team (MadBum). The desirable names with multiple teams asking are probably going to be out of reach. It doesn’t have to always be that way but it might have to be in the near term.
not lowballing with offers would be a start.
I pointed this out before too - the Marlins have zero selling points at this juncture as a team outside of "hey, no state income tax!" for FA's. They HAVE to overpay to bring in notable guys right now. I'm not saying to cripple the franchise but yeah, you're going to have to overpay. Obviously not EVERY player will take the most money but I think it would be very fair to say 95% will go where the longest and most lucrative contract is since this is their job. And of that small percentage the bulk of those players are older vets wanting to compete for a ring that may take a bit less to play near home, etc. but the Marlins don't really have any business signing those type of guys to significant deals at this juncture in the rebuild anyway.
Very few players of the ilk that the Marlins should be acquiring are going to turn down the largest offer if they are far from their final playing days. So far it just reeks of cheapness at this point. I'm still going to say that the Kemp signing isn't their "mystery bat" though. If it's just a spring invite then so be it - won't hurt to kick the tires on that. Look at that, me being positive and it's not even 2020 yet.
That's the perfect response to THRILLHO's post - you can't lowball everybody and expect them to sign either. And yes, if you get equal deals from a contender and the Marlins, you'll go with the contender. But paying more give us a chance at least. Starting with pennies and hoping someone bites isn't a good tactic. Not saying you offer a Stanton contract to someone to convince them, but you have to realize Miami isn't an attractive destination right now for the reasons hovertical pointed out - we're just not quite there yet - it's (hopefully) on the horizon, but not yet.
 

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I like this as a depth move. Along with the other moves the Marlins have made lately, the team is already somewhat improved. Kemp could make the team, but I hope he has to "earn" it. Otherwise, it's just Granderson 2.0.
 

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The point is that the depth signings are often crucial to championship teams even though the spotlight goes to the superstar signings.

Howie Kendrick dealt with injuries and wasn't sure he'd be a consistent MLB player anymore due to health yet the Nationals don't win the 2019 World Series without him.
Because he tore his Achilles? See any number of players that have had and resumed playing.

kemp has had numerous bouts of just flat out awful play.
 

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Because he tore his Achilles? See any number of players that have had and resumed playing.

kemp has had numerous bouts of just flat out awful play.
This is a quote from an MLB.com article immediately after the World Series...

"It was a long journey for Kendrick to get to this point. After missing 122 games last season with a ruptured right Achilles tendon, there was doubt that Kendrick would even return to a Major League field. And if he did return, just how productive could the 36-year-old be?"

That sums up exactly what I meant in my post.

Why you feel the need to have every little detail be 100% when I'm only giving Kendrick's name as a general example for people to understand is beyond me. I think everyone else but you got what I was trying to say.

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This is a quote from an MLB.com article immediately after the World Series...

"It was a long journey for Kendrick to get to this point. After missing 122 games last season with a ruptured right Achilles tendon, there was doubt that Kendrick would even return to a Major League field. And if he did return, just how productive could the 36-year-old be?"

That sums up exactly what I meant in my post.

Why you feel the need to have every little detail be 100% when I'm only giving Kendrick's name as a general example for people to understand is beyond me. I think everyone else but you got what I was trying to say.

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He also was NOT a free agent after he tore his Achilles.
 

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one was a free agent. One was already signed.

both males?
The differences between Kemp and Kendrick make no difference to my point that under the radar depth signings are often crucial components to championship teams even though the spotlights go to the superstar acquisitions.

If I hadn't used Kendrick as an example in my original post you would have had to nothing to pick at.
 

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