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I am seeing Redmond blamed for everything this year and not just on this site but on social media as well. I know it is a tradition to blame the manager or head coach in sports but it is becoming borderline ridiculous. You have to at least be fair.

1) He could not pinch hit for Salty in game one with the bases loaded

2) He was right to leave Koehler in to start the 7th today.

If you disagree with either of those, explain to me why. Of course it is also easier to defend your position after Red's decision failed. A decision failing does not equate to him being wrong though.

 

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I'm with Admin on both points. red's miraculously done nothing wrong so far this year

 

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Also, Red isn't the one not scoring runs. Coaches can only do so much, the players have to produce and execute to win games.

That being said, it's only the third game of the year. 159 more to turn things around.

 
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Only one I'd disagree with is the Koehler decision. Koehler has history of tiring late in starts, and once he got near 90 pitches Redmond should know at that point that his stuff wasn't good enough to get by hitters anymore. I love Koehler and he deserves that rotation spot no doubt, but he doesn't need to be going 7 or 8 innings to be successful.

It wasn't exactly the wrong call to bring him back out given the pitch count, but people who have watched Koehler regularly should've known that home run was bound to happen.

Salty I have no issue with. He may suck against LHP, but he needs to be able to do better than strikeouts and double plays if he's making $7 million a year and a starter. Salty failed that game. The entire offense failed today, and that should be the story coming out of the series. Pitching wise, we should've been able to take 2 games out of the series. I'm also of the belief that things will start evening out and the team will start hitting with RISP and the XBH will show up. Bad three game stretches happen to every team. Ours just happened to be at the start of the season.

 
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I'm not a fan of Redmond. There's no denying that. I like his personality for the most part with the players minus the incident where he called Jose out last year.

Out of frustration I didn't like Salty batting that bases loaded. We all knew what was going to happen and it did happen. On the other hand, I understand you can't pull out your 7 million or so catcher in those situation as frustrating as it was. I don't have any issues with what other people had issues with the last few days.

 

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I blame Wild Card. The Marlins wouldn't have given Salty that stupid contract but for WC's representation that Salty would be worth the money.

 

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Only one I'd disagree with is the Koehler decision. Koehler has history of tiring late in starts, and once he got near 90 pitches Redmond should know at that point that his stuff wasn't good enough to get by hitters anymore. I love Koehler and he deserves that rotation spot no doubt, but he doesn't need to be going 7 or 8 innings to be successful.

It wasn't exactly the wrong call to bring him back out given the pitch count, but people who have watched Koehler regularly should've known that home run was bound to happen.
​I am going to take your word for it that you thought that was before the HR based on his history but what if he takes TK out and Ramos or Dyson or anyone gives up that 2-run HR instead. How bad would Red look?

 

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I blame Wild Card. The Marlins wouldn't have given Salty that stupid contract but for WC's representation that Salty would be worth the money.
​If Wild Card is influencing the Marlins' decisions... we're in deep doo doo. And I like Wild Card!

 

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If you PH for Salty in that spot, there is no logical reason he is the starting catcher. And he probably shouldn't be the starting catcher but he IS.

 
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Like I mentioned with TK in another thread, IF he does PH for Salty and the PH hits into a rally killing DP -- Red would again be blasted. The right move in that situation was to leave Salty in and yes the fact its early in the season matters. It was the first opportunity had in 2015 with the bases loaded and 0 outs. Its not as if he was in a prolonged slump (no, last year doesn't count in that spot).

 
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Angry Admin reminds me of angry Tommy Hutton...

I will say this about the whole Red scenario... people will always look to shift blame to someone when something doesnt work as it is supposed to. Yes, Red made the right calls, but we all know that that rarely means you will escape criticism if the scenario doesnt work out. The blame has to go somewhere, and the manager/head coach is pretty much the spot where it will always fall.

 
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In defense of Red, could an argument for keeping TK in that Red already used 9 arms in the first two games? Granted some were used for only 1 or 2 outs, but still. If you can get a starter to go an extra inning to help give the bullpen some extra rest before the off day, it seems like a logical decision.

 

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Disclaimer: Mike Redmond does follow me on Twitter but I'm not being bias, I'd defend him anyway when he was right.

 

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Disclaimer: Mike Redmond does follow me on Twitter but I'm not being bias, I'd defend him anyway when he was right.
​I think you are a bit of a Red Dicksucker...

 

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squall said:
Actually if Red had pinch hit for salty and the game ends up being tied after a double play, I don't think anyone blasts him. Tie game, and even casuals know salty is garbage. It's not like the situation came up in the 3rd inning.
​Incorrect IMO. Pinch hitting for your starting catcher in his first opportunity of the year is the wrong move. If he is not going to be allowed to hit there, stop starting him.

 

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It sends a horrible message also to Salty, the fanbase, his teammates. Some of you really think this is a video game you can manage only with stats and disregard for these human beings.

 

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