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For my college english class, I have to write an argumentative essay. I was leaning towards writing an essay based on the florida marlins stadium situation. Of course, I am for it. I was wondering if you guys could give me a list of how the stadium would benefit our society or any benefits from it in particular. If the essay turns out to be good, it could be published in the school newspaper. So give me some good ideas so that I can open the eyes of many.
 

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Benefits:

- Revitalizes an area. In this case, the area around the OB is a place pretty much no one wants to be, building a stadium there would bring people and therefore their money to the area.

- Jobs. A new stadium will translate into hundreds or thousands of jobs from construction to workers for the stadium once completed.

- Civic pride. By building the stadium and keeping the Marlins here, Miami will keep its "Major League" status. Also, when teams do well, it brings together people of all races and ethnic groups.

- Money. A Marlins stadium in Miami means probably multiple All-Star games and World Baseball Classics which attract people from around the country and the world. They spend money on hotels, entertainment, transportation, etc. Also, each time the Marlins are shown playing in their shiny, downtown stadium, it will be basically a three hour commercial for the city.
 

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For my college english class, I have to write an argumentative essay. I was leaning towards writing an essay based on the florida marlins stadium situation. Of course, I am for it. I was wondering if you guys could give me a list of how the stadium would benefit our society or any benefits from it in particular. If the essay turns out to be good, it could be published in the school newspaper. So give me some good ideas so that I can open the eyes of many.

Why don't you just hire someone to do your school work for you.
 

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Benefits:

- Revitalizes an area. In this case, the area around the OB is a place pretty much no one wants to be, building a stadium there would bring people and therefore their money to the area.

- Jobs. A new stadium will translate into hundreds or thousands of jobs from construction to workers for the stadium once completed.

- Civic pride. By building the stadium and keeping the Marlins here, Miami will keep its "Major League" status. Also, when teams do well, it brings together people of all races and ethnic groups.

- Money. A Marlins stadium in Miami means probably multiple All-Star games and World Baseball Classics which attract people from around the country and the world. They spend money on hotels, entertainment, transportation, etc. Also, each time the Marlins are shown playing in their shiny, downtown stadium, it will be basically a three hour commercial for the city.
good list:
I would add:
- Family oriented activity - MLB is the most family oriented pro sport
- To civic pride: I would mention that the MArlins has won two WS titles. (part of the city history, etc.)
 

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Benefits:

- Revitalizes an area. In this case, the area around the OB is a place pretty much no one wants to be, building a stadium there would bring people and therefore their money to the area.

- Jobs. A new stadium will translate into hundreds or thousands of jobs from construction to workers for the stadium once completed.

- Civic pride. By building the stadium and keeping the Marlins here, Miami will keep its "Major League" status. Also, when teams do well, it brings together people of all races and ethnic groups.

- Money. A Marlins stadium in Miami means probably multiple All-Star games and World Baseball Classics which attract people from around the country and the world. They spend money on hotels, entertainment, transportation, etc. Also, each time the Marlins are shown playing in their shiny, downtown stadium, it will be basically a three hour commercial for the city.

that one is huge. Take a look at the area in denver around the rockies stadium. It used to be terrible but now its awesome. Adding thousands of temporary and per jobs is also a huge plus.
 

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Don't forget to mention the economic impact that could potentially cost the entire state of Florida. If the State decides to not to give the 60 million tax subsidy now, it could cost 240-300 million over the same period if the Marlins were to leave, not counting other events that could be held at the stadium.
 

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Don't forget to mention the economic impact that could potentially cost the entire state of Florida. If the State decides to not to give the 60 million tax subsidy now, it could cost 240-300 million over the same period if the Marlins were to leave, not counting other events that could be held at the stadium.

Careful with the economic impact argument. There are many studies that state that new stadiums have none to very little economic impact.
 

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Use the ideas already provided, explain the other side of each, and in conclusion rest on the money it would add to the local economy. All the other thoughts are bogus anyway:
1. Revitalizes an area. Uh, no. Maybe in other cities, but here in Miami a stadium is strictly going to be a place to go to and get away from. Just look at past history at The Orange Bowl, Miami Arena. Even AA arena. AA Arena draws a few extra people to Bayview, but Bayview is already an attraction in itself.
2. Civic Pride. Give me a break. In Miami the general populace has pride in the Dolphins. Any other sports team they have pride in only if they're in the Championship Finals. This area has enough to be proud about. Our weather is the main attraction. There is no civic pride now in the Marlins, who have won 2 Championships in 10 years. Why should a new stadium suddenly bring out pride?
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Your only real argument is the money issue. And as JetsMania has just pointed out, that argument is not a slam dunk.
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I suppose that the only argument that is irrefutable is that a new stadium would make for a better experience for the 10-15 thousand fans we have here.
 

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Use the ideas already provided, explain the other side of each, and in conclusion rest on the money it would add to the local economy. All the other thoughts are bogus anyway:
1. Revitalizes an area. Uh, no. Maybe in other cities, but here in Miami a stadium is strictly going to be a place to go to and get away from. Just look at past history at The Orange Bowl, Miami Arena. Even AA arena. AA Arena draws a few extra people to Bayview, but Bayview is already an attraction in itself.2. Civic Pride. Give me a break. In Miami the general populace has pride in the Dolphins. Any other sports team they have pride in only if they're in the Championship Finals. This area has enough to be proud about. Our weather is the main attraction. There is no civic pride now in the Marlins, who have won 2 Championships in 10 years. Why should a new stadium suddenly bring out pride?
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Your only real argument is the money issue. And as JetsMania has just pointed out, that argument is not a slam dunk.
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I suppose that the only argument that is irrefutable is that a new stadium would make for a better experience for the 10-15 thousand fans we have here.

Cant totally argree with you there. For the record its bayside, not bayview.
I think if they pick the downtown site that the immediate area will get cleaned up. The OB site I am up in the air. You have atleast 81 dates, plus other events that will be housed there. Just look at yankee stadium in the bronx. The bronx itself is not nice, but the area right around the stadium is nice. I guess lets wait and see where they pick. I think the downtown area would have a revitalization, because the rest of downtown is already doing that.
 

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Use the ideas already provided, explain the other side of each, and in conclusion rest on the money it would add to the local economy. All the other thoughts are bogus anyway:
1. Revitalizes an area. Uh, no. Maybe in other cities, but here in Miami a stadium is strictly going to be a place to go to and get away from. Just look at past history at The Orange Bowl, Miami Arena. Even AA arena. AA Arena draws a few extra people to Bayview, but Bayview is already an attraction in itself.2. Civic Pride. Give me a break. In Miami the general populace has pride in the Dolphins. Any other sports team they have pride in only if they're in the Championship Finals. This area has enough to be proud about. Our weather is the main attraction. There is no civic pride now in the Marlins, who have won 2 Championships in 10 years. Why should a new stadium suddenly bring out pride?
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Your only real argument is the money issue. And as JetsMania has just pointed out, that argument is not a slam dunk.
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I suppose that the only argument that is irrefutable is that a new stadium would make for a better experience for the 10-15 thousand fans we have here.

Cant totally argree with you there. For the record its bayside, not bayview.
I think if they pick the downtown site that the immediate area will get cleaned up. The OB site I am up in the air. You have atleast 81 dates, plus other events that will be housed there. Just look at yankee stadium in the bronx. The bronx itself is not nice, but the area right around the stadium is nice. I guess lets wait and see where they pick. I think the downtown area would have a revitalization, because the rest of downtown is already doing that.
At least I didn't call it Baywatch.
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Why should a stadium built 2 blocks from Miami Arena revitalize an area that was not revitalized from the presence of Miami Arena?
 
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Use the ideas already provided, explain the other side of each, and in conclusion rest on the money it would add to the local economy. All the other thoughts are bogus anyway:
1. Revitalizes an area. Uh, no. Maybe in other cities, but here in Miami a stadium is strictly going to be a place to go to and get away from. Just look at past history at The Orange Bowl, Miami Arena. Even AA arena. AA Arena draws a few extra people to Bayview, but Bayview is already an attraction in itself.2. Civic Pride. Give me a break. In Miami the general populace has pride in the Dolphins. Any other sports team they have pride in only if they're in the Championship Finals. This area has enough to be proud about. Our weather is the main attraction. There is no civic pride now in the Marlins, who have won 2 Championships in 10 years. Why should a new stadium suddenly bring out pride?
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Your only real argument is the money issue. And as JetsMania has just pointed out, that argument is not a slam dunk.
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I suppose that the only argument that is irrefutable is that a new stadium would make for a better experience for the 10-15 thousand fans we have here.

Cant totally argree with you there. For the record its bayside, not bayview.
I think if they pick the downtown site that the immediate area will get cleaned up. The OB site I am up in the air. You have atleast 81 dates, plus other events that will be housed there. Just look at yankee stadium in the bronx. The bronx itself is not nice, but the area right around the stadium is nice. I guess lets wait and see where they pick. I think the downtown area would have a revitalization, because the rest of downtown is already doing that.
At least I didn't call it Baywatch.
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Why should a stadium built 2 blocks from Miami Arena revitalize an area that was not revitalized from the presence of Miami Arena?
The Miami Arena was outdated almost immediately after it opened. The Miami Heat have a 41 home game schedule whereas the Marlins have an 81 home game schedule. The Marlins should have around 25k+ per night whereas the Miami Arena 14k when sold out. A brand new Baseball stadium is also a lot more substanial than the Miami Arena is or was.

The #1 thing a a new baseball stadium does for the Marlins is that it guarantees that the team is committed to Miami/South Florida and that they wont be going anywhere. The last 10 years 2 WS or not this fan base has been tortured with the idea that the team is gonna up and go at any moment.
 

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The miami arena opened in 1988 I believe. By 1995 they were already talking about building another arena for the panthers and heat. No one was going to invest in any land around the miami arena because the teams left just a few years later. Also, downtown didnt start to really develope until around 2000.

Wherever the site is for the marlins, it will be their home for atleast the next 30 years if not longer. There will be twice as many people going to marlins games than heat and panthers fans going to the miami arena. That not even counting other big events that can be held there.
 

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Use the ideas already provided, explain the other side of each, and in conclusion rest on the money it would add to the local economy. All the other thoughts are bogus anyway:
1. Revitalizes an area. Uh, no. Maybe in other cities, but here in Miami a stadium is strictly going to be a place to go to and get away from. Just look at past history at The Orange Bowl, Miami Arena. Even AA arena. AA Arena draws a few extra people to Bayview, but Bayview is already an attraction in itself.2. Civic Pride. Give me a break. In Miami the general populace has pride in the Dolphins. Any other sports team they have pride in only if they're in the Championship Finals. This area has enough to be proud about. Our weather is the main attraction. There is no civic pride now in the Marlins, who have won 2 Championships in 10 years. Why should a new stadium suddenly bring out pride?
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Your only real argument is the money issue. And as JetsMania has just pointed out, that argument is not a slam dunk.
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I suppose that the only argument that is irrefutable is that a new stadium would make for a better experience for the 10-15 thousand fans we have here.

Cant totally argree with you there. For the record its bayside, not bayview.
I think if they pick the downtown site that the immediate area will get cleaned up. The OB site I am up in the air. You have atleast 81 dates, plus other events that will be housed there. Just look at yankee stadium in the bronx. The bronx itself is not nice, but the area right around the stadium is nice. I guess lets wait and see where they pick. I think the downtown area would have a revitalization, because the rest of downtown is already doing that.
At least I didn't call it Baywatch.
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Why should a stadium built 2 blocks from Miami Arena revitalize an area that was not revitalized from the presence of Miami Arena?
The Miami Arena was outdated almost immediately after it opened. The Miami Heat have a 41 home game schedule whereas the Marlins have an 81 home game schedule. The Marlins should have around 25k+ per night whereas the Miami Arena 14k when sold out. A brand new Baseball stadium is also a lot more substanial than the Miami Arena is or was.

The #1 thing a a new baseball stadium does for the Marlins is that it guarantees that the team is committed to Miami/South Florida and that they wont be going anywhere. The last 10 years 2 WS or not this fan base has been tortured with the idea that the team is gonna up and go at any moment.
On your first point, who's to say what a new stadium will be like. Maybe it too will be outdated by the time it's built. And what about the Panthers hame games, and the concerts, circus, and other events that the Arena hosted. Gee, just mentioning the Panthers reminds me of the great civic pride that franchise brought to the area, for 2 weeks while they made a championship run.
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On your second point, the Marlins aren't going anywhere, stadium or not. Where would they go? And for purposes of the posters argumentative essay, it should not be written from the perspective of the few fans down here. It should be written from the perspective of the general populace, 99% of whom could care less about the Marlins and will never set foot in a new stadium.
 

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Use the ideas already provided, explain the other side of each, and in conclusion rest on the money it would add to the local economy. All the other thoughts are bogus anyway:
1. Revitalizes an area. Uh, no. Maybe in other cities, but here in Miami a stadium is strictly going to be a place to go to and get away from. Just look at past history at The Orange Bowl, Miami Arena. Even AA arena. AA Arena draws a few extra people to Bayview, but Bayview is already an attraction in itself.2. Civic Pride. Give me a break. In Miami the general populace has pride in the Dolphins. Any other sports team they have pride in only if they're in the Championship Finals. This area has enough to be proud about. Our weather is the main attraction. There is no civic pride now in the Marlins, who have won 2 Championships in 10 years. Why should a new stadium suddenly bring out pride?
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Your only real argument is the money issue. And as JetsMania has just pointed out, that argument is not a slam dunk.
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I suppose that the only argument that is irrefutable is that a new stadium would make for a better experience for the 10-15 thousand fans we have here.

Cant totally argree with you there. For the record its bayside, not bayview.
I think if they pick the downtown site that the immediate area will get cleaned up. The OB site I am up in the air. You have atleast 81 dates, plus other events that will be housed there. Just look at yankee stadium in the bronx. The bronx itself is not nice, but the area right around the stadium is nice. I guess lets wait and see where they pick. I think the downtown area would have a revitalization, because the rest of downtown is already doing that.
At least I didn't call it Baywatch.
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Why should a stadium built 2 blocks from Miami Arena revitalize an area that was not revitalized from the presence of Miami Arena?
The Miami Arena was outdated almost immediately after it opened. The Miami Heat have a 41 home game schedule whereas the Marlins have an 81 home game schedule. The Marlins should have around 25k+ per night whereas the Miami Arena 14k when sold out. A brand new Baseball stadium is also a lot more substanial than the Miami Arena is or was.

The #1 thing a a new baseball stadium does for the Marlins is that it guarantees that the team is committed to Miami/South Florida and that they wont be going anywhere. The last 10 years 2 WS or not this fan base has been tortured with the idea that the team is gonna up and go at any moment.
On your first point, who's to say what a new stadium will be like. Maybe it too will be outdated by the time it's built. And what about the Panthers hame games, and the concerts, circus, and other events that the Arena hosted. Gee, just mentioning the Panthers reminds me of the great civic pride that franchise brought to the area, for 2 weeks while they made a championship run.
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On your second point, the Marlins aren't going anywhere, stadium or not. Where would they go? And for purposes of the posters argumentative essay, it should not be written from the perspective of the few fans down here. It should be written from the perspective of the general populace, 99% of whom could care less about the Marlins and will never set foot in a new stadium.


They already have drawings of what it will be like. The miami arena was the smallest arena in the NHL and NBA. The sky boxes where the worsts seats in the house and there were no club seats. It was just a small generic arena to draw teams to miami. This stadium will be state of the art and will be the long term home of the Marlins.

Big concerts will be at the marlins stadium, pending it has a roof. I wouldnt be suprised to see football, soccer, and alot of other events such as conventions take place at the stadium.
 

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Use the ideas already provided, explain the other side of each, and in conclusion rest on the money it would add to the local economy. All the other thoughts are bogus anyway:
1. Revitalizes an area. Uh, no. Maybe in other cities, but here in Miami a stadium is strictly going to be a place to go to and get away from. Just look at past history at The Orange Bowl, Miami Arena. Even AA arena. AA Arena draws a few extra people to Bayview, but Bayview is already an attraction in itself.2. Civic Pride. Give me a break. In Miami the general populace has pride in the Dolphins. Any other sports team they have pride in only if they're in the Championship Finals. This area has enough to be proud about. Our weather is the main attraction. There is no civic pride now in the Marlins, who have won 2 Championships in 10 years. Why should a new stadium suddenly bring out pride?
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Your only real argument is the money issue. And as JetsMania has just pointed out, that argument is not a slam dunk.
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I suppose that the only argument that is irrefutable is that a new stadium would make for a better experience for the 10-15 thousand fans we have here.

Cant totally argree with you there. For the record its bayside, not bayview.
I think if they pick the downtown site that the immediate area will get cleaned up. The OB site I am up in the air. You have atleast 81 dates, plus other events that will be housed there. Just look at yankee stadium in the bronx. The bronx itself is not nice, but the area right around the stadium is nice. I guess lets wait and see where they pick. I think the downtown area would have a revitalization, because the rest of downtown is already doing that.
At least I didn't call it Baywatch.
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Why should a stadium built 2 blocks from Miami Arena revitalize an area that was not revitalized from the presence of Miami Arena?
The Miami Arena was outdated almost immediately after it opened. The Miami Heat have a 41 home game schedule whereas the Marlins have an 81 home game schedule. The Marlins should have around 25k+ per night whereas the Miami Arena 14k when sold out. A brand new Baseball stadium is also a lot more substanial than the Miami Arena is or was.

The #1 thing a a new baseball stadium does for the Marlins is that it guarantees that the team is committed to Miami/South Florida and that they wont be going anywhere. The last 10 years 2 WS or not this fan base has been tortured with the idea that the team is gonna up and go at any moment.
On your first point, who's to say what a new stadium will be like. Maybe it too will be outdated by the time it's built. And what about the Panthers hame games, and the concerts, circus, and other events that the Arena hosted. Gee, just mentioning the Panthers reminds me of the great civic pride that franchise brought to the area, for 2 weeks while they made a championship run.
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On your second point, the Marlins aren't going anywhere, stadium or not. Where would they go? And for purposes of the posters argumentative essay, it should not be written from the perspective of the few fans down here. It should be written from the perspective of the general populace, 99% of whom could care less about the Marlins and will never set foot in a new stadium.


They already have drawings of what it will be like. The miami arena was the smallest arena in the NHL and NBA. The sky boxes where the worsts seats in the house and there were no club seats. It was just a small generic arena to draw teams to miami. This stadium will be state of the art and will be the long term home of the Marlins.

Big concerts will be at the marlins stadium, pending it has a roof. I wouldnt be suprised to see football, soccer, and alot of other events such as conventions take place at the stadium.
Your thought is irrelevant and means squat for the average fan. The average fan had a nice arena with great site lines. And they came to see the games, and fled the area as soon as the game was over. Exactly what will happen with a baseball stadium. Just as it happens now with the AA arena. On your revitalization thought, what about the first 7 years before the end could be seen? Why didn't the area begin to blossom even a little in those 7 years? I'm not counting the 4 pushcarts selling sausage and peppers, that's about the only revitalization that occured.
 

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Umm... because downtown was a sh*t hole in 1988. Its still not great, how many buildings have already been built and how many more are being built? I am not sure on the figures but it wouldnt be far fetched to say that there will be 100,000 more people living in downtown than there were in 1988.

If downtown itself wasnt booming, then I might agree with you, but thats not the case. A state of the art stadium with the potential to draw 3 million people (baseball and other things) as well as locals who live in downtown, will be incentive for people to build things around the arena.
 

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Umm... because downtown was a sh*t hole in 1988. Its still not great, how many buildings have already been built and how many more are being built? I am not sure on the figures but it wouldnt be far fetched to say that there will be 100,000 more people living in downtown than there were in 1988.

If downtown itself wasnt booming, then I might agree with you, but thats not the case. A state of the art stadium with the potential to draw 3 million people (baseball and other things) as well as locals who live in downtown, will be incentive for people to build things around the arena.
AA arena is state of the art, and has a fantastic location. Have you ever watched the crowd after a game. See many people linger over the nice view of the bay? Or partake of what's already there(Bayside)? A handful do, but most make a mad dash for their cars and head back towards home and continue the night in their own neighborhood. But if you really believe what you say you have plenty of time to save up and invest in a new business near the stadium-to-be. Me, I'd invest in a few pushcarts outside of the stadium.
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And as far as a boom in downtown. I'm not an expert on the subject, but from what I do know I think the boom is tied in with the general real estate boom that happened from 1999-2004. And that boom has turned into a bust. Who knows what's going to happen with the glut of condos downtown? It could be the prettiest sh$thole in history.
 

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Umm... because downtown was a sh*t hole in 1988. Its still not great, how many buildings have already been built and how many more are being built? I am not sure on the figures but it wouldnt be far fetched to say that there will be 100,000 more people living in downtown than there were in 1988.

If downtown itself wasnt booming, then I might agree with you, but thats not the case. A state of the art stadium with the potential to draw 3 million people (baseball and other things) as well as locals who live in downtown, will be incentive for people to build things around the arena.
AA arena is state of the art, and has a fantastic location. Have you ever watched the crowd after a game. See many people linger over the nice view of the bay? Or partake of what's already there(Bayside)? A handful do, but most make a mad dash for their cars and head back towards home and continue the night in their own neighborhood. But if you really believe what you say you have plenty of time to save up and invest in a new business near the stadium-to-be. Me, I'd invest in a few pushcarts outside of the stadium.
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And as far as a boom in downtown. I'm not an expert on the subject, but from what I do know I think the boom is tied in with the general real estate boom that happened from 1999-2004. And that boom has turned into a bust. Who knows what's going to happen with the glut of condos downtown? It could be the prettiest sh$thole in history.

could be. I was at finnegans wake in downtown about a month ago and counted 28 cranes. I guess those buildings will be totally vacant...

Finnegans wake is located in an area that was a warehouse a few years ago. 10 years ago if you told someone there would be a nice restaurant/bar in that plot of land they would have laughed at you. The stadium wont be ready until 2010 at the earliest, so that gives downtown a few more years to build up.

And I actually did think about opening a bar right next to the stadium. I want to see what location they pick first...
 

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And as far as a boom in downtown. I'm not an expert on the subject, but from what I do know I think the boom is tied in with the general real estate boom that happened from 1999-2004. And that boom has turned into a bust. Who knows what's going to happen with the glut of condos downtown? It could be the prettiest sh$thole in history.
I'm not an expert on the subject either and we may have a bust in the near future but so far we haven't had one. Condo prices in Miami-Dade continue to rise. Last week the February data came out and I forget the exact number but condo prices rose either 5% or 10% over last year.

More people keep movign into Miami-Dade than out of it and I guess that may be keeping prices up.
 

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