ranking of the franchises

[MVPosey]

i did a point system where I ranked the franchises based on the following categories:

WS won

pennants

hall of famers

franchise wins

franchise win loss

and ranked them from most prestige and history to least prestige and history:

1. Baltimore/ New York Yankees

2. New York/ San Francisco Giants

3. St. Louis Cardinals 69.5

4. Brooklyn/ Los Angeles Dodgers 65.75

5. Philadelphia/ Kansas City/ Oakland Athletics 50

6. Pittsburgh Pirates

7. Cincinatti Reds

8. Chicago Cubs

9. Boston Red Sox

10. Boston/ Milwaukee/ Atlanta Braves

11. Detroit Tigers

12. Cleveland Indians

13. Milwaukee/ St. Louis/ Baltimore Orioles

14. Washington/ Minnesota Twins

15. Chicago White Sox

16. Philadelphia Phillies

17. New York Mets

18. Toronto Blue Jays

19. Kansas City Royals

20. Los Angeles/ California/ Anaheim Angels

21. Florida Marlins

22. Arizona Diamondbacks

23. Houston Astros

24. Montreal Expos

25. San Diego Padres

26. Seattle / Milwaukee Brewers

27. Washington/ Texas Rangers

28. Seattle Mariners

29. Colorado Rockies

30. Tampa Bay Devil Rays

[SorianoFanHFW]

All hail the yankees

[Beinfest4Prez]

How are the Phillies in front of the Mets. The Phillies are only one of the losingest franchises ever.

[Guest Moneyball]

i was just thinking of doing this.

[farmer_fran]

what the hell is this?

[Hugg]

what the hell is this?

A scheme MaysBonds cooked up to make the Giants look like the 2nd best all-time franchise in baseball.

[Guest Moneyball]

i think the red sox should be higher than the cubs and the dodgers should be in 2nd

[Buckeye]

Reds below the Pirates!?

 

THAT'S SLANDER!

 

You... You... You!

 

Let's leave it at that.

[Guest Juanky]

Yeah the Giants don't deserve Top 5, much less #2.

 

How the Cubs made #8 is beyond me, being they haven't had back to back winning seasons in millenia. The Reds, with the second best dynasty in the history of baseball, should at least be Top 5 material. The Twins and Phillies have done absolutely nothing to deserve being ranked so high, neither do the A's or Indians, while the Orioles should be in the Top 10.

 

The formula should be adapted to measure quality not quantity, as I agree that teams like the Marlins and DBacks have not been around long enough to be considered Top 10 franchises but there are some cases here where longetivity won out over success (Cubs being ranked so high, Giants so high, etc.). Try also to include playoff appearances, because Atlanta, despite being horrendous in the playoffs, has run off a streak unparalleled in sports history. They most definately are a Top 10 franchise.

[MVPosey]

How are the Phillies in front of the Mets. The Phillies are only one of the losingest franchises ever.

They're over they've been around almost three times as long, that's why

I'll summarize how I ranked it:

40% WS wins

20% Pennants (Giants #3 overall)

10% hall of famers that played any point of their career with that team

10% hall of famers that played most of their career with that team

10% franchise wins

10% franchise winning percentage.

I broke the teams up into the two categories, the original 16 and the 14 expansion teams. Here's how they rank is each category:

WS Wins (counting the NL- AA World Series):

rank team (# of WS wins) points

1. Yankees (26) 32

2. St. Louis Cardinals (10+tie) 30

3. Philadelphia/ Kansas City/ Oakland Athletics (9) 28

4. New York/ San Francisco Giants (7) 26

5. Brooklyn/ Los Angeles Dodgers (6+tie) 24

6. Boston Red Sox (5) 20

Cincinatti Reds (5) 20

Pittsburgh Pirates (5) 20

9. Detroit Tigers (4) 16

10. Boston/ Milwaukee/ Atlanta Braves (3) 12

Milwaukee/ St. Louis/ Baltimore Orioles (3) 12

Washington/ Minnesota Twins. (3) 12

13. Chicago Cubs (2+tie) 8

14. Chicago White Sox (2) 5

Cleveland Indians (2) 5

Philadelphia Phillies (1) 2

Pennants:

1. Yankees (39) 16

2. Dodgers (22) 15

3. Giants (20) 14

4. Cardinals (19) 13

5. Braves (17) 12

6. Cubs (16) 11

7. Athletics (15) 10

8. Red Sox (10) 8.5

Reds (10) 8.5

10. Tigers (9) 6.5

Pirates (9) 6.5

12. Orioles (7) 5

13. Twins (6) 4

14. Indians (5) 2

White Sox (5) 2

Phillies (5) 2

Hall of Famers that played for that team at any point in his career

1. Giants: (52) 8

2. Dodgers: (43) 7.25

Braves: (43) 7.25

4. Cardinals: (36) 6.5

5. Cubs: (35) 5.75

Reds: (35) 5.75

7. Pirates: (34) 5

8. Yankees (33) 4

9. Athletics: (31) 3.75

Phillies: (31) 3.75

11. Red Sox: (2 3

12. Orioles: (26) 2.5

13. Indians: (25) 2

14. White Sox: (23) 1.5

15. Twins: (21) 1

16. Tigers: (20) .5

Hall of Famers that played most of their career with that team:

1. Giants (24) 8

2. Yankees (17) 7.5

3. Cardinals (15) 7

4. Pirates (13) 6.5

4. Indians (13) 6

6. Cubs (12) 5.5

7. Dodgers (11) 4.75

A's (11) 4.75

9. White Sox (10) 4

10. Phillies (9) 3.5

11. Braves ( 2.5

Reds ( 2.5

Twins ( 2.5

14. Red Sox (7) 1

Tigers (7) 1

Orioles (7) 1

Franchise Winning Percentage:

1. Yankees (.566) 8

2. Giants (.541) 7.5

3. Dodgers (.524) 7

4. Cardinals (.515) 6.5

5. Cubs (.514) 6

6. Red Sox (.513) 5.5

7. Indians (.510) 5

8. Pirates (.509) 4.5

9. Reds (.509) 4

10. Tigers (.507) 3.5

11. White Sox (.505) 3

12. Braves (.498) 2.5

13. Athletics (.484) 2

14. Twins (.478) 1.5

15. Orioles (.477) 1

16. Phillies (.466) .5

Franchise Wins:

1. Giants (9871) 8

2. Cubs (9667) 7.5

3. Dodgers (9542) 7

4. Cardinals (9478) 6.5

5. Reds (9371) 6

6. Pirates (9350) 5.5

7. Braves (9347) 5

8. Yankees (8996) 4.5

8. Phillies (8505) 4

9. Red Sox (8165) 3.5

10. Indians (8129) 3

11. Tigers (8078) 2.5

12. White Sox (8028) 2

13. Athletics (7691) 1.5

14. Twins (7613) 1

15. Orioles (7590) .5

When you put them together, the original 16 reads like this:

1. Baltimore/ New York Yankees 72.5

2. New York/ San Francisco Giants 71.5

3. St. Louis Cardinals 69.5

4. Brooklyn/ Los Angeles Dodgers 65.75

5. Philadelphia/ Kansas City/ Oakland Athletics 50

6. Pittsburgh Pirates 48

7. Cincinatti Reds 46.75

8. Chicago Cubs 43.75

9. Boston Red Sox 41.5

10. Boston/ Milwaukee/ Atlanta Braves 41

11. Detroit Tigers 30

12. Cleveland Indians 23

13. Milwaukee/ St. Louis/ Baltimore Orioles 22

14. Washington/ Minnesota Twins 22

15. Chicago White Sox 17.5

16. Philadelphia Phillies 15.75

And about the Giants:

more hall of famers than any other team

more wins than any other team

second highest winning percentage

third most pennants

fourth most WS wins

[RippyO]

Yeah, but who cares about the time Willie Mays played for the Mets, Hank Aaron played for the Brewers, or when Babe Ruth played for the Braves. It's things like that that mess up your system.

 

And you should start your rankings from 1901 - that's generally agreed to be the start of modern baseball.

[Special K]

Yeah, but who cares about the time Willie Mays played for the Mets, Hank Aaron played for the Brewers, or when Babe Ruth played for the Braves. It's things like that that mess up your system.

 

And you should start your rankings from 1901 - that's generally agreed to be the start of modern baseball.

The Giants have more HOFers than anyone huh? How come the Giants site says they only have 27 players inducted as Giants? I guess they dont know as much as you do.

 

Giants Website

 

Cause if you're counting guys like Duke Snider, Steve Carlton. Joe Morgan, and Rogers Hornsby as Giants inductees, you're sadly mistaken.

[Hugg]

Yeah, but who cares about the time Willie Mays played for the Mets, Hank Aaron played for the Brewers, or when Babe Ruth played for the Braves. It's things like that that mess up your system.

 

And you should start your rankings from 1901 - that's generally agreed to be the start of modern baseball.

But dood, then the Giants wouldn't be 2nd.

[Special K]

And for the record, here's the REAL leader in HOFers inducted as members of said team, The New York Yankees

 

Players Player Years Played With Yankees

Jack Chesbro 1903-1908

Bucky Harris 1947-1948

Miller Huggins 1918-1929

Bob Lemon 1978-1979, 1981-1982

Joe McCarthy 1931-1946

Casey Stengel 1949-1960

Stan Coveleski 1928

Bill Dickey 1946-1963

Joe DiMaggio 1936-1942, 1946-1951

Whitey Ford 1924-1935

Lefty Gomez 1930-1942

Lou Gehrig 1923-1939

Clark Griffith 1903-1907

Burleigh Grimes 1934

Hoyt Waite 1921-1930

Reggie Jackson 1977-1981

Catfish Hunter 1975-1979

Willie Keeler 1903-1909

Tony Lazzeri 1926-1937

Mickey Mantle 1951-1968

Bill McKechnie 1913

Johnny Mize 1949-1953

Herb Pennock 1923-1933

Phil Rizzuto 1941-1942, 1946-1956

Red Ruffing 1930-1942, 1945-1946

Babe Ruth 1920-1934

Joe Sewell 1931-1933

Enos Slaughter 1954-1959

Dazzy Vance 1915, 1918

Paul Waner 1944-1945

Dave Winfield 1981-88, 1990

 

Managers Player Years As Manager

Yogi Berra 1964, 1984-1985

Frank Chance 1913-1914

Bill Dickey 1946

Clark Griffith 1941-1942, 1946-1956

Bucky Harris 1947-1948

Miller Huggins 1918-1929

Bob Lemon 1978-1979, 1981-1982

Joe McCarthy 1931-1946

Casey Stengel 1949-1960

[SorianoFanHFW]

Bill Dickey 1946-1963

 

What happened to the 16 seasons beofr 46?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/dickebi01.shtml

[Billy Goat]

oo I thought this was a ranking like making fun of the teams LOL. OoOps