PBMarlin Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 OK, so Benitez blew the game tonight, but the fact remains we still had a good chance to win it until Bump came it. As far as I'm concerned he has earned a one-way ticket to Albuquerque. I've mentioned it several times before.......Bump just wilts anytime he is put in a pressure situation. Recap of several recent outings when faced with pressure situation: 6/15, ChiSox (tonight) - 10th tied 5-5, Relieves Phelps with bases loaded. Walks Olivo to give up the winning run, bobbles a Dransfeldt chopper to give an insurance run. 6/8, Indians - 8th tied 4-4, Perisho walks Escobar and Crisp. Bump gives up the lead on a single by Vizquel. Luckily gets the win as Cabrera and Easley homer off the left field foul pole. Benitez gets the save. 6/1, Reds - 10th, tied 5-5, gives up a home run to Dunn. Walks Jimenez who steals second. Gives up a single to Pena for an insurance run. I could keep on going to describe his 3 blown saves and other two losses, but it is too painful. He is now my top candidate to send to AAA when Beckett returns on Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Neu is going down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nc marlin Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Wayne should be back soon as well. He pitched an inning in Jupiter tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 Neu is going down I suspect you are right, because for some odd reason Jack is very high on Bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Bump's kryptonite isn't pressure situations, its the positioning of defense. If the infield is forced to play in with a runner on third they can not convert nearly as many of his groundballs into outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 OK, so Benitez blew the game tonight, but the fact remains we still had a good chance to win it until Bump came it. As far as I'm concerned he has earned a one-way ticket to Albuquerque. I've mentioned it several times before.......Bump just wilts anytime he is put in a pressure situation. Recap of several recent outings when faced with pressure situation: 6/15, ChiSox (tonight) - 10th tied 5-5, Relieves Phelps with bases loaded. Walks Olivo to give up the winning run, bobbles a Dransfeldt chopper to give an insurance run. 6/8, Indians - 8th tied 4-4, Perisho walks Escobar and Crisp. Bump gives up the lead on a single by Vizquel. Luckily gets the win as Cabrera and Easley homer off the left field foul pole. Benitez gets the save. 6/1, Reds - 10th, tied 5-5, gives up a home run to Dunn. Walks Jimenez who steals second. Gives up a single to Pena for an insurance run. I could keep on going to describe his 3 blown saves and other two losses, but it is too painful. He is now my top candidate to send to AAA when Beckett returns on Thursday. look at those situations he's come into... relieves Phelps with the bases loaded, comes in after Perisho walks two, You come in with no room for error & the odds are against you. Hey, I don't think anyone's going to argue he's the guy you particularly want pitching in late-inning pressure situations, but goodness other than Benitez, who is??? When he walked in a run tonight I thought two of those balls could've been called strikes. Meanwhile Perisho was nowhere near the strike zone. Plus Bump did induce a weak bouncer from the next batter (though he totally muffed the play). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacknteal24 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 im not a big fan of Bump either but its not his fault they leave him w/ RISP all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamarlins3 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 You have to remmember Phelps came in and walked a batter on like 5 pitches. It was terrible all around performance...when does help come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odom006 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Bump's a Pimp adleast thats why I and many others use to say last year...... i want em to stay....... I also wanna give Neu a chance as well........... somebody's going down who at this point is anybodys guess...... the entire pen suxs Xcept Bentiez and Oliver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer_fran Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Bump's a Pimp adleast thats why I and many others use to say last year...... i want em to stay....... I also wanna give Neu a chance as well........... somebody's going down who at this point is anybodys guess...... the entire pen suxs Xcept Bentiez and Oliver Why is everyone hopping on the Oliver bandwagon? He hasn't done anything to prove to me that he will do a good job in the pen. He's come in the game in mop-up duty every time he's come out of the bullpen. Come back to me when he pitches in a pressure situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark3611 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 ^agree. I wan't to see him set uo a couple games before he gets off my s*** list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 You have to remmember Phelps came in and walked a batter on like 5 pitches. It was terrible all around performance...when does help come Is it just me or does Phelps suck against batters he's never seen before? Usually the opposite is true, that the pitcher holds the advantage in a batter and pitcher's first meeting. But I guess because Phelps doesn't have overpowering stuff and relies on painting the corners and mixing up pitches he's awful without a scouting report. Oliver has only pitched one game with the lead. Back in May when Beckett had to leave in the third Oliver came in and immediately gave up a game-tying home run. But he settled down got the next 4 guys out and had some trouble with the heart of the Mets' lineup when McKeon did his favorite thing in the world and brought in our groundball specialist (Nate Bump) with a man on third base and the infield forced to play in. Thankfully Bump finished the inning with strikeout instead and kept Oliver's bid to earn the win safe until Borland's entrance into the game later. Nonetheless Oliver has done well in relief and could give McKeon some options. At the very least he could allow the younger more overpowering arms to avoid the long relief work. If only Justin Wayne were given the setup role... And did I mention Perisho sucks? 23% of balls hit off him have been hard-hit line drives. He walks over 5 batters per 9 innings of work. He's been bailed out by a defense playing well over its own average for him. And the other relievers have allowed just 1 of his 15 leftover baserunners to score. One f-ing lucky bastard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 Perisho has only been effective as a lefty specialist. For some reason, difficult to understand, Jack is trying to make him the 8th inning guy. Right handed hitters are pounding him. I realize Jack doesn't really have any 8th inning options, but Perisho is not the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack1 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 McKeon or Rosenthal have no idea how to use the bullpen. Except for Benitez, no one has any idea how they will be used. It's not just going out there and throwing a ball. You have to be mentally prepared for situations. Bump had not pitched for over a week. For all of you McKeon lovers....he just lucked out last year. I really hate to see him ruin all these pitchers but that his MO and from what I am seeing, he hasn't changed at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 McKeon or Rosenthal have no idea how to use the bullpen. Except for Benitez, no one has any idea how they will be used. It's not just going out there and throwing a ball. You have to be mentally prepared for situations. Bump had not pitched for over a week. For all of you McKeon lovers....he just lucked out last year. I really hate to see him ruin all these pitchers but that his MO and from what I am seeing, he hasn't changed at all! We can't put all the blame on McKeon. I think he is overmanaging, but on the other hand he has to try different things because everyone is sucking in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marlin Man Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 bump ane neu have to go i like wayne but we need a freaking set up guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Wayne would have been a good setup guy, but Jack used him once a week and he eventually got injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Whats with the hating on Neu. In his only appearances he gave uo a couple of runs. that being said he also didn't really rehab but looks fine. Get off his ass will you? There are people like Bump who pitched well last year but arm is like dead. No movement at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacknteal24 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Bump's a Pimp adleast thats why I and many others use to say last year...... i want em to stay....... I also wanna give Neu a chance as well........... somebody's going down who at this point is anybodys guess...... the entire pen suxs Xcept Bentiez and Oliver Why is everyone hopping on the Oliver bandwagon? He hasn't done anything to prove to me that he will do a good job in the pen. He's come in the game in mop-up duty every time he's come out of the bullpen. Come back to me when he pitches in a pressure situation. i dont think that the Skipper will let DO pitch in a pressure situation since he doesnt ahve faith in him. DO is only good for 3 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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