CapeFish Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 MLB gave ESPN the rights to create BBTN (aka the highlight show) by allowing ESPN to have in game highlights and look-ins while the game is still in progress, even if ESPN isn't televising it. 518353[/snapback] It is nice to see you avoiding answering my question. WHAT rights does MLB have to move BBTN from ESPN? They own the clips and the MLB logo, that's it! Once again, explain to me how they can "move" BBTN from ESPN to their own network. Do they own the trademark to "Baseball Tonight"? Do they have all baseball announcers under contract and can overrule ESPN and FOX? Explain your complete BS point you made earlier in this thread. 518357[/snapback] Baseball Tonight would be nothing without the highlights. The talent can be replaced. ESPN's BBTN rights contract runs out in 2006. All MLB sanctioned productions automatically becomes property of the Office of the Commissioner of Baseball. They could use another name than Baseball Tonight if ESPN objects....not that hard. 518361[/snapback] Sure, it is quite easy for MLB to create their own highlight show, but you DID NOT say that. You said they could easily move BBTN to their own network. That statement is completely idiotic and you keep moving away from that absurd statement without admitting you are full of it. Here, I'll help you out: US Trademark Office: ESPN owns "Baseball Tonight" 1. MLB has NO RIGHT in the name "Baseball Tonight." 2. The announcers on Baseball Tonight are under contract to ESPN, not MLB. 3. MLB would NEVER take away the right of ESPN to show baseball highlights. Their sport would suffer greatly once ESPN quit showing highlights of MLB. Capefish, can you still not figure out why so many posters consider you a joke? You make completely absurd claims and never admit you're wrong once you are exposed. It is obvious you don't know dick about the business and legal worlds. Stop making stupid, incorrect statements regarding issues you don't have a clue about. Go back and read your initial statement. I bet you STILL won't admit you were wrong after being exposed once again. :whistle 518372[/snapback] 1. I said they could move the show, as in the highlight show. I said BBTN because that is what the highlight show is currently known as. It is similar to when FOX got the revived version of TWIB. NBC originally carried TWIB in that manner. 2. Announcers contracts have out clauses or run out at the same time BBTN's MLB contract with ESPN runs out. Carl is the only one who likely wouldn't leave if BBTN doesn't end up on ESPN in 2007. 3. They were pretty close a couple of years back when MLB sued ESPN for bumping Sunday Night Baseball to ESPN2 for Sunday Night Football. I am not making an absurd claim. MLB could easily move the highlights show currently known as Baseball Tonight to whatever outlet the please once the ESPN contract runs out. 518375[/snapback] In response to one, you said BBTN, not for MLB to create its own "highlight show." So by going by what you said, you were wrong. At least you halfway admitted it. In response to two, unless ESPN has released the details of its employees' contracts, you have no idea what is in each person's contract. In response to three, you have no clue what they were "close" to. And in regard to your summary, you're wrong. It wouldn't "move" anything. MLB would CREATE its own. Unless ESPN offered to sell them the trademark, NOTHING will be moved from ESPN. This doesn't even get into the fact that MLB would NEVER take away ESPN's right to show highlights of finished games. ESPN would continue to have "Baseball Tonight" and show highlights even if they lost the TV contract. The popularity of the sport would greatly decrease once MLB highlights were no longer shown on ESPN. Come on. Just admit you were wrong and get it over with. :whistle 518383[/snapback] ESPN could not show in depth highlights until the game is completed, which makes the show almost useless as it was in the early 90's because there would be nothing to show until the end. The contracts were made public in the lawsuit MLB filed against ESPN as evidence ESPN was not going to cut MLB coverage because they picked up the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anybody notice how Len and Tommy commented about some national sports media counting the Marlins out and some in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Nirvana keeps on making an argument claiming I said something that was absurd when it almost happened less than what...it seems 5 years ago? Part of the settlement with ESPN included making BBTN more important on the ESPN schedule. In exchange BBTN no longer got blacked out from anything. Back in the days of the Baseball Network (1994-95) BBTN couldn't go on the air until the last game of the night was done on a night when it was an ABC or NBC Baseball Night in America. 518379[/snapback] Once again, this has NO IMPACT on BBTM being "moved" from ESPN. Creating one's own show is different than "moving" something from one network to another. Even if MLB took the business suicide move of not allowing ESPN to show baseball highlights like you suggested, ESPN could STILL have Baseball Tonight to show stills of games, stats, finals, standings, etc., and comment on it with its experts. Would ESPN do this? HELL NO! They'd ignore MLB on its entire network and watch MLB slowly fall behind basketball as the number two sport in the US. This WILL NEVER happen! I now know how parents feel dealing with high school kids. :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 sorry everyone isnt perfect like you Cape 518302[/snapback] But they do it every night, that is called bad facts, stats, producing, and an inability by the sportscaster to think on his feet. 518305[/snapback] You just answered it Cape, they do it every night. Just like your boy Bush, if you're expected to speak and perform night after night, you will make mistakes but it's just a small sample but I guess if it's The Marlins it's the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Nirvana keeps on making an argument claiming I said something that was absurd when it almost happened less than what...it seems 5 years ago? Part of the settlement with ESPN included making BBTN more important on the ESPN schedule. In exchange BBTN no longer got blacked out from anything. Back in the days of the Baseball Network (1994-95) BBTN couldn't go on the air until the last game of the night was done on a night when it was an ABC or NBC Baseball Night in America. 518379[/snapback] Once again, this has NO IMPACT on BBTM being "moved" from ESPN. Creating one's own show is different than "moving" something from one network to another. Even if MLB took the business suicide move of not allowing ESPN to show baseball highlights like you suggested, ESPN could STILL have Baseball Tonight to show stills of games, stats, finals, standings, etc., and comment on it with its experts. Would ESPN do this? HELL NO! They'd ignore MLB on its entire network and watch MLB slowly fall behind basketball as the number two sport in the US. This WILL NEVER happen! I now know how parents feel dealing with high school kids. :banghead 518388[/snapback] It was just a comment made late at night that you just exploded apon. You shouldn't be a parent if you are going to bicker about a thing like that. MLB is going to launch a channel and don't be surprised to see ESPN give up on BBTn some and let MLB's channel kind of be like BBTN 24/7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 MLB gave ESPN the rights to create BBTN (aka the highlight show) by allowing ESPN to have in game highlights and look-ins while the game is still in progress, even if ESPN isn't televising it. 518353[/snapback] It is nice to see you avoiding answering my question. WHAT rights does MLB have to move BBTN from ESPN? They own the clips and the MLB logo, that's it! Once again, explain to me how they can "move" BBTN from ESPN to their own network. Do they own the trademark to "Baseball Tonight"? Do they have all baseball announcers under contract and can overrule ESPN and FOX? Explain your complete BS point you made earlier in this thread. 518357[/snapback] Baseball Tonight would be nothing without the highlights. The talent can be replaced. ESPN's BBTN rights contract runs out in 2006. All MLB sanctioned productions automatically becomes property of the Office of the Commissioner of Baseball. They could use another name than Baseball Tonight if ESPN objects....not that hard. 518361[/snapback] Sure, it is quite easy for MLB to create their own highlight show, but you DID NOT say that. You said they could easily move BBTN to their own network. That statement is completely idiotic and you keep moving away from that absurd statement without admitting you are full of it. Here, I'll help you out: US Trademark Office: ESPN owns "Baseball Tonight" 1. MLB has NO RIGHT in the name "Baseball Tonight." 2. The announcers on Baseball Tonight are under contract to ESPN, not MLB. 3. MLB would NEVER take away the right of ESPN to show baseball highlights. Their sport would suffer greatly once ESPN quit showing highlights of MLB. Capefish, can you still not figure out why so many posters consider you a joke? You make completely absurd claims and never admit you're wrong once you are exposed. It is obvious you don't know dick about the business and legal worlds. Stop making stupid, incorrect statements regarding issues you don't have a clue about. Go back and read your initial statement. I bet you STILL won't admit you were wrong after being exposed once again. :whistle 518372[/snapback] 1. I said they could move the show, as in the highlight show. I said BBTN because that is what the highlight show is currently known as. It is similar to when FOX got the revived version of TWIB. NBC originally carried TWIB in that manner. 2. Announcers contracts have out clauses or run out at the same time BBTN's MLB contract with ESPN runs out. Carl is the only one who likely wouldn't leave if BBTN doesn't end up on ESPN in 2007. 3. They were pretty close a couple of years back when MLB sued ESPN for bumping Sunday Night Baseball to ESPN2 for Sunday Night Football. I am not making an absurd claim. MLB could easily move the highlights show currently known as Baseball Tonight to whatever outlet the please once the ESPN contract runs out. 518375[/snapback] In response to one, you said BBTN, not for MLB to create its own "highlight show." So by going by what you said, you were wrong. At least you halfway admitted it. In response to two, unless ESPN has released the details of its employees' contracts, you have no idea what is in each person's contract. In response to three, you have no clue what they were "close" to. And in regard to your summary, you're wrong. It wouldn't "move" anything. MLB would CREATE its own. Unless ESPN offered to sell them the trademark, NOTHING will be moved from ESPN. This doesn't even get into the fact that MLB would NEVER take away ESPN's right to show highlights of finished games. ESPN would continue to have "Baseball Tonight" and show highlights even if they lost the TV contract. The popularity of the sport would greatly decrease once MLB highlights were no longer shown on ESPN. Come on. Just admit you were wrong and get it over with. :whistle 518383[/snapback] ESPN could not show in depth highlights until the game is completed, which makes the show almost useless as it was in the early 90's because there would be nothing to show until the end. The contracts were made public in the lawsuit MLB filed against ESPN as evidence ESPN was not going to cut MLB coverage because they picked up the NFL. 518385[/snapback] The issue is not whether ESPN would continue producing Baseball Tonight and its worth to the network. You stated MLB could MOVE (M-O-V-E!) Baseball Tonight to another network. IT CANNOT DO THIS! Admit you mispoke (aka wrong) and move on. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 sorry everyone isnt perfect like you Cape 518302[/snapback] But they do it every night, that is called bad facts, stats, producing, and an inability by the sportscaster to think on his feet. 518305[/snapback] You just answered it Cape, they do it every night. Just like your boy Bush, if you're expected to speak and perform night after night, you will make mistakes but it's just a small sample but I guess if it's The Marlins it's the end of the world. 518389[/snapback] A small sample? WTF, they do it all the time. Just like CNN reporting there was Martial law in SW Florida. It got the CNN reporter a nice escort from Charlotte County out to Tampa International Airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Nirvana, I misspoke, but my intended point was not incorrect. MLB could move the BBTN highlight show rights anywhere it desires once the contract runs out leaving BBTN useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Nirvana keeps on making an argument claiming I said something that was absurd when it almost happened less than what...it seems 5 years ago? Part of the settlement with ESPN included making BBTN more important on the ESPN schedule. In exchange BBTN no longer got blacked out from anything. Back in the days of the Baseball Network (1994-95) BBTN couldn't go on the air until the last game of the night was done on a night when it was an ABC or NBC Baseball Night in America. 518379[/snapback] Once again, this has NO IMPACT on BBTM being "moved" from ESPN. Creating one's own show is different than "moving" something from one network to another. Even if MLB took the business suicide move of not allowing ESPN to show baseball highlights like you suggested, ESPN could STILL have Baseball Tonight to show stills of games, stats, finals, standings, etc., and comment on it with its experts. Would ESPN do this? HELL NO! They'd ignore MLB on its entire network and watch MLB slowly fall behind basketball as the number two sport in the US. This WILL NEVER happen! I now know how parents feel dealing with high school kids. :banghead 518388[/snapback] It was just a comment made late at night that you just exploded apon. You shouldn't be a parent if you are going to bicker about a thing like that. MLB is going to launch a channel and don't be surprised to see ESPN give up on BBTn some and let MLB's channel kind of be like BBTN 24/7. 518390[/snapback] Just admit you were WRONG. That's all you have to do, Capefish. You kept trying to show you were right and started this useless discussion. You were wrong and still won't come out and admit it. You're a Republican, aren't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 There is a difference between a misstatement and being wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Just admit you were WRONG. That's all you have to do, Capefish. You kept trying to show you were right and started this useless discussion. You were wrong and still won't come out and admit it. You're a Republican, aren't you? 518394[/snapback] What does my political affiliation have to do with this? This has gone far enough. You continue to argue a point that was made by me just because you don't like me. I don't give a damn. My point is MLB could easily move the damn highlight show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 sorry everyone isnt perfect like you Cape 518302[/snapback] But they do it every night, that is called bad facts, stats, producing, and an inability by the sportscaster to think on his feet. 518305[/snapback] You just answered it Cape, they do it every night. Just like your boy Bush, if you're expected to speak and perform night after night, you will make mistakes but it's just a small sample but I guess if it's The Marlins it's the end of the world. 518389[/snapback] A small sample? WTF, they do it all the time. Just like CNN reporting there was Martial law in SW Florida. It got the CNN reporter a nice escort from Charlotte County out to Tampa International Airport. 518392[/snapback] All the time to me would be about at least 10 noticable mistakes in one broadcast, I have not seen that tonight. In fact, I don't see that any night. Rushing through highlights to reach time on live broadcasts and through segments, and you want freaking blood for one mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Nirvana, I misspoke, but my intended point was not incorrect. MLB could move the BBTN highlight show rights anywhere it desires once the contract runs out leaving BBTN useless. 518393[/snapback] We'll agree to this. 1. You misspoke. 2. The words you chose were wrong. 3. MLB could stop ESPN from using highlights at the end of its contract (which it never will do). 4. ESPN still would have the legal right to have Baseball Tonight even if it had no highlights (which it likely wouldn't do). 5. MLB could start its own highlight show that resembles Baseball Tonight, but which has a different name and likely different commentators. All you had to do was admit what you said was wrong and correct your overall meaning. It was that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafatumatt Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 this really has gone too far. bashing other users just isnt right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Where did I say I want blood? I said the reason I don't watch ESPN is because of the bad job they do. Same goes with CNN and Fox News, which both goof more than anybody should. My lord, Hurricane Charley was a more pleasant experience than you people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Just admit you were WRONG.? That's all you have to do, Capefish.? You kept trying to show you were right and started this useless discussion.? You were wrong and still won't come out and admit it.? You're a Republican, aren't you? 518394[/snapback] What does my political affiliation have to do with this? This has gone far enough. You continue to argue a point that was made by me just because you don't like me. I don't give a damn. My point is MLB could easily move the damn highlight show. 518396[/snapback] Most Republicans I know can never admit a mistake. That's why I asked you. Also, I don't hate you like others. You're frustrating to deal with at times. You'll make an obviously incorrect, extreme statement and won't admit when you're wrong. It is hard to take someone serious when they can't admit when they're wrong when it is proven they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Just admit you were WRONG.? That's all you have to do, Capefish.? You kept trying to show you were right and started this useless discussion.? You were wrong and still won't come out and admit it.? You're a Republican, aren't you? 518394[/snapback] What does my political affiliation have to do with this? This has gone far enough. You continue to argue a point that was made by me just because you don't like me. I don't give a damn. My point is MLB could easily move the damn highlight show. 518396[/snapback] Most Republicans I know can never admit a mistake. That's why I asked you. Also, I don't hate you like others. You're frustrating to deal with at times. You'll make an obviously incorrect, extreme statement and won't admit when you're wrong. It is hard to take someone serious when they can't admit when they're wrong when it is proven they are. 518404[/snapback] It is 2:33 in the morning, I haven't had a good night's sleep in almost a week and then you argue with me about the difference between a trademark? Everyone else understood my point, yet you continued to push it just to antogonize me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Just admit you were WRONG.? That's all you have to do, Capefish.? You kept trying to show you were right and started this useless discussion.? You were wrong and still won't come out and admit it.? You're a Republican, aren't you? 518394[/snapback] What does my political affiliation have to do with this? This has gone far enough. You continue to argue a point that was made by me just because you don't like me. I don't give a damn. My point is MLB could easily move the damn highlight show. 518396[/snapback] Most Republicans I know can never admit a mistake. That's why I asked you. Also, I don't hate you like others. You're frustrating to deal with at times. You'll make an obviously incorrect, extreme statement and won't admit when you're wrong. It is hard to take someone serious when they can't admit when they're wrong when it is proven they are. 518404[/snapback] It is 2:33 in the morning, I haven't had a good night's sleep in almost a week and then you argue with me about the difference between a trademark? Everyone else understood my point, yet you continued to push it just to antogonize me. 518406[/snapback] Actually, I only kept on after you continued to avoid your initial statement. I assumed you'd say, "Yes, MLB owns the rights to Baseball Tonight." I was going to post the link and see if you'd admit you were wrong. You took it in another direction and I continued on the path you set. After the fact v. opinion discussion when you ripped Penny and failed to realize your opinion is not a fact, I decided to keep on this discussion until you admitted you were wrong. As for everyone else, I'm not worried about if others let you slide on an incorrect statement. Also, I highly doubt "everyone" understood the small correct point contained in your overall incorrect post. One day you'll learn to avoid all or nothing extreme statements. I'm just preparing you for college and the real world. :thumbup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Most ridiculous argument ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Most ridiculous argument ever. 518410[/snapback] Nah. I've seen a married couple argue over who bought the most drinks the night before. These morons shared a joint account and were paying from the same pot. Now THAT was the most ridiculous argument I've ever witnessed. :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafatumatt Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Most ridiculous argument ever. 518410[/snapback] holy s***! i agree with you.... hell must have frozen over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafatumatt Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Most ridiculous argument ever. 518410[/snapback] Nah. I've seen a married couple argue over who bought the most drinks the night before. These morons shared a joint account and were paying from the same pot. Now THAT was the most ridiculous argument I've ever witnessed. :lol 518413[/snapback] wow, i was reading that and saw the drink comment and because its 3 in the morning proceeded to read joint and pot.... right... im so tired. goodnight all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moneyball Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 pretty ironic talking about SC's screw ups and the title is clearly mispelled, "sportscenter suks, screwups." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foladar Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Stuff like this and ESPN's inability to escape from the trap of overusing drama is why I don't watch ESPN anymore. MLB would be better served by being on Bravo/USA/TBS/TNT and moving BBTN to the rumored Baseball Channel the owners wish to start. 518308[/snapback] Cape, if you don't watch ESPN anymore - can you please stop bitching about BBTN? Thanks. Jeez, I'm tired of you thinking your always right, everyone else MUST be wrong because the MIGHTY Cape says so! And when someone mentions your name, they're "always" on you, but you always ask for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 I don't honestly care at all It bothers me for about 15 seconds when they do it, and then I don't really care anymore. Maybe it fires the guys up too, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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