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"We will not rest -- we will not rest, we will keep the pressure on until the Cuban people enjoy the same freedoms in Havana they receive here in America," Bush said to cries of "Viva Bush!"

 

Then, in a direct reference to Castro, Bush said, "I strongly believe the people of Cuba should be free from the tyrant."

 

CNN Report

 

Isn't the reason we went into Iraq now to free the people from the tyrant Saddam? Well, following that logic are we going to storm into Cuba to free them of the tyrant Castro?

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I was at the rally. He was playing to the crowd. We've heard those words from every presidentialy candidate to come down here since he took power, Cuba won't be invaded. Nothing will be done until Castro's dead.

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Newsflash: The people who have arrived from Cuba in the last ten years, and those still there, are so brainwashed for the most part that they are very socialistic and they side with the communist regime more often than not. Yes, there are dissidents left in the island, however most have come to Miami. Also, I work with two women who came from Cuba in 1996, and everyday they whine and complain about how they have to work for stuff now and get paid for their performance not just because, how they can't stroll home at 2 in the afternoon like they used to, and how they would give anything to go back (but yet when I ask them why don't they, they just swear they can't just because).

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"We will not rest -- we will not rest, we will keep the pressure on until the Cuban people enjoy the same freedoms in Havana they receive here in America," Bush said to cries of "Viva Bush!"

 

Then, in a direct reference to Castro, Bush said, "I strongly believe the people of Cuba should be free from the tyrant."

 

CNN Report

 

Isn't the reason we went into Iraq now to free the people from the tyrant Saddam? Well, following that logic are we going to storm into Cuba to free them of the tyrant Castro?

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Yes.

 

Do you think the UN would be with us on it?

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"We will not rest -- we will not rest, we will keep the pressure on until the Cuban people enjoy the same freedoms in Havana they receive here in America," Bush said to cries of "Viva Bush!"

 

Then, in a direct reference to Castro, Bush said, "I strongly believe the people of Cuba should be free from the tyrant."

 

CNN Report

 

Isn't the reason we went into Iraq now to free the people from the tyrant Saddam? Well, following that logic are we going to storm into Cuba to free them of the tyrant Castro?

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Yes.

 

Do you think the UN would be with us on it?

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I wouldn't know, I don't know the UN's standpoint currently on Cuba.

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"We will not rest -- we will not rest, we will keep the pressure on until the Cuban people enjoy the same freedoms in Havana they receive here in America," Bush said to cries of "Viva Bush!"

 

Then, in a direct reference to Castro, Bush said, "I strongly believe the people of Cuba should be free from the tyrant."

 

CNN Report

 

Isn't the reason we went into Iraq now to free the people from the tyrant Saddam? Well, following that logic are we going to storm into Cuba to free them of the tyrant Castro?

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Yes.

 

Do you think the UN would be with us on it?

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I wouldn't know, I don't know the UN's standpoint currently on Cuba.

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What do you think it ought be?

 

Shouldn't the UN round up it's members, and oust this guy?

 

If not, why the hell not?

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"We will not rest -- we will not rest, we will keep the pressure on until the Cuban people enjoy the same freedoms in Havana they receive here in America," Bush said to cries of "Viva Bush!"

 

Then, in a direct reference to Castro, Bush said, "I strongly believe the people of Cuba should be free from the tyrant."

 

CNN Report

 

Isn't the reason we went into Iraq now to free the people from the tyrant Saddam? Well, following that logic are we going to storm into Cuba to free them of the tyrant Castro?

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Yes.

 

Do you think the UN would be with us on it?

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I wouldn't know, I don't know the UN's standpoint currently on Cuba.

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What do you think it ought be?

 

Shouldn't the UN round up it's members, and oust this guy?

 

If not, why the hell not?

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I doubt the UN will ever bring up Cuba unless the US does first. Not to my knowledge have we ever repealed the Monroe doctorine, which tells the rest of the world to keep their nose out of here, which would include Cuba. And Cuba is an ex-American territory as well. So I don't think they will mull over Cuba unless the USA brings it up first. And Bush is not into "nation building" at least that is what he says, its hard to believe that if you look at Iraq, and you'd need to nation build if you go into Cuba. So I think Kerry would be more likely to do something about Cuba, just for the fact he's never come out and said point-blank he is against nation building, but I also doubt he would go to the UN and say something needs to be done. I don't think either wants the UN so close to us and in control of a nation over here, in our neck of the woods. Castro is no threat to America and has no sizeable army.

 

Bush is the hypocrite in all of this of course because he is the one saying we needed to liberate Iraq, even though we have a much closer nation we can liberate with no where near as much bloodshed. Does Castro even have a noteable army?

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Bush is the hypocrite in all of this of course because he is the one saying we needed to liberate Iraq, even though we have a much closer nation we can liberate with no where near as much bloodshed. Does Castro even have a noteable army?

 

You serious man?

 

I think Cuba would be a worse battle. But easier to win, and that's simply because there's not a crazy religious insurgency that will last for eternity.

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http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/thurmltr.htm

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/cubarpt.htm

 

Cuba != threat

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If it was your candidate wouldn't do anything about it. Infact, if South Korea had nukes aimed at us, he would stand by. America will never strike first under Libertarian rule.

 

Both of there links are nealy a decade old. And one even says :

 

Conclusions

 

At present, Cuba does not pose a significant military threat to the U.S. or to other countries in the region. Cuba has little motivation to engage in military activity beyond defense of its territory and political system.

 

If you can find an article newer then 1996, and addressed to someone still alive:

 

The Honorable Strom Thurmond

Chairman, Armed Services Committee

United States Senate

Washington, DC 20510-4001

 

then you might have a case that Cuba is a current threat. And if Cuba is a threat then its egg on Bush's face for ignoring it.

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Bush is the hypocrite in all of this of course because he is the one saying we needed to liberate Iraq, even though we have a much closer nation we can liberate with no where near as much bloodshed. Does Castro even have a noteable army?

 

You serious man?

 

I think Cuba would be a worse battle. But easier to win, and that's simply because there's not a crazy religious insurgency that will last for eternity.

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How many troops does Cuba have? And how can it be a worse battle and easier to win at once? You don't read anything into the fact that Castro did not want to be put under when he had surgery last week? He is paranoid, the people around him can't wait til he croaks.

 

You remember like a year or two back when like 4 or 5 armed cuban militants just showed up randomly in the Keys? That was great.

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Bush is the hypocrite in all of this of course because he is the one saying we needed to liberate Iraq, even though we have a much closer nation we can liberate with no where near as much bloodshed. Does Castro even have a noteable army?

 

You serious man?

 

I think Cuba would be a worse battle. But easier to win, and that's simply because there's not a crazy religious insurgency that will last for eternity.

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How many troops does Cuba have? And how can it be a worse battle and easier to win at once? You don't read anything into the fact that Castro did not want to be put under when he had surgery last week? He is paranoid, the people around him can't wait til he croaks.

 

You remember like a year or two back when like 4 or 5 armed cuban militants just showed up randomly in the Keys? That was great.

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Allow me to (re)clarify.

 

We beat Saddam's military quickly and easily. Casualties weren't too bad. Terrain was good for fighting. In short, we owned them.

The battle was won faster than it would be won if we invaded Cuba, IMO.

 

But one factor that makes Iraq more of a mess than Cuba ever could be, is the religious insurgency that has killed so many troops after the toppling of the original enemy was eliminated.

 

Cuba wouldn't have that factor.

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Bush is the hypocrite in all of this of course because he is the one saying we needed to liberate Iraq, even though we have a much closer nation we can liberate with no where near as much bloodshed. Does Castro even have a noteable army?

 

You serious man?

 

I think Cuba would be a worse battle. But easier to win, and that's simply because there's not a crazy religious insurgency that will last for eternity.

605451[/snapback]

 

How many troops does Cuba have? And how can it be a worse battle and easier to win at once? You don't read anything into the fact that Castro did not want to be put under when he had surgery last week? He is paranoid, the people around him can't wait til he croaks.

 

You remember like a year or two back when like 4 or 5 armed cuban militants just showed up randomly in the Keys? That was great.

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Allow me to (re)clarify.

 

We beat Saddam's military quickly and easily. Casualties weren't too bad. Terrain was good for fighting. In short, we owned them.

The battle was won faster than it would be won if we invaded Cuba, IMO.

 

But one factor that makes Iraq more of a mess than Cuba ever could be, is the religious insurgency that has killed so many troops after the toppling of the original enemy was eliminated.

 

Cuba wouldn't have that factor.

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You don't think for two seconds we "won" the Iraq war so quickly because when we invaded we drove right in, into Baghdad and did not stop to fight? We just pushed on through. Are you saying all those fighting in Iraq against the US troops were not there to start with?

 

And since you seem to subscribe to the fact the mission was completed May of last year, what are our troops still dying and fighting for if the mission is over and completed shouldn't they be home by now if the mission is complete?

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Neither candidate will recognize the oppression in Canada. There's an entire country run by Canadians. Whoever is president should invade Canada and finally acquire the damn country!!!

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*Concurs*

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I'm sure Phish has written some sort of inane screed in response to my simple post containing links to a DOD eval of Cuban mil capability (done under Clinton BTW)

 

...but now that I've set the board to ignore their content-free posts, I now enjoying the visual SOUNDS OF SILENCE :lol

 

Rant on dude - I'm sure the audience is enjoying it...

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You are the one who can not deal with losing debates, not me. You need to enjoy the silence because towards the end your arguements became flawed and I am sure people grew tired of reading your ridiculous spins and non-sense.

 

After all, how can people listen to someone who supports paying for fertilizer before tutors for kids?

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Bush is the hypocrite in all of this of course because he is the one saying we needed to liberate Iraq, even though we have a much closer nation we can liberate with no where near as much bloodshed. Does Castro even have a noteable army?

 

You serious man?

 

I think Cuba would be a worse battle. But easier to win, and that's simply because there's not a crazy religious insurgency that will last for eternity.

605451[/snapback]

 

How many troops does Cuba have? And how can it be a worse battle and easier to win at once? You don't read anything into the fact that Castro did not want to be put under when he had surgery last week? He is paranoid, the people around him can't wait til he croaks.

 

You remember like a year or two back when like 4 or 5 armed cuban militants just showed up randomly in the Keys? That was great.

605454[/snapback]

 

Allow me to (re)clarify.

 

We beat Saddam's military quickly and easily. Casualties weren't too bad. Terrain was good for fighting. In short, we owned them.

The battle was won faster than it would be won if we invaded Cuba, IMO.

 

But one factor that makes Iraq more of a mess than Cuba ever could be, is the religious insurgency that has killed so many troops after the toppling of the original enemy was eliminated.

 

Cuba wouldn't have that factor.

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You don't think for two seconds we "won" the Iraq war so quickly because when we invaded we drove right in, into Baghdad and did not stop to fight? We just pushed on through. Are you saying all those fighting in Iraq against the US troops were not there to start with?

 

And since you seem to subscribe to the fact the mission was completed May of last year, what are our troops still dying and fighting for if the mission is over and completed shouldn't they be home by now if the mission is complete?

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Jesus Christ, you're so hellbent on debating me you're totally missing what I'm saying.

 

f***in forget it

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No. US will never invade Cuba (unless Cuba attack the US directly or declare war on the US).

 

JFK signed a treaty due to the October 13 crisis, that the US will never invade or aid to invade Cuba in exchange of no nuclear weapons in Cuba.

 

I think that (and the bay of pigs) is the main reason for the majority of Cuban-American for voting Republican.

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