November 4, 200420 yr Seminole County is grey. :plain 608100[/snapback] incomplete data. it should start filling in as the days go by.
November 4, 200420 yr There's a lot of Democrats on the Mississippi river. Must be something in the water.
November 4, 200420 yr I actually don't think it's that impressive. A lot of the areas highlighted in blue are where the majority of the population is concentrated, the bigger cities which tend to be more liberal than the rural areas. Putting up this map overstates how much of the country's support Bush has because a lot of the counties he won were lesser populated areas. (And I know he got more votes than Kerry, so don't throw that in my face.)
November 4, 200420 yr this just shows the little support john kerry got outside the big cities. (nebraska and oklahoma are the only two states with complete data that are totally red.) (massachusetts, rhode island, and hawaii are the only states that have complete data that are completely blue.)
November 4, 200420 yr Seminole County is grey. :plain 608100[/snapback] incomplete data. it should start filling in as the days go by. 608101[/snapback] I'm sure Bush dominated. The whole political system of Seminole County is Republican with a Libertarian thrown in here or there.
November 4, 200420 yr It's no different than the electoral map. The blue counties have a lot more people than the red.
November 4, 200420 yr yeah ... i hate that NYC dictates upstate policy .. we struggle because they force through all their crap granted it's nice when some of their benefit rolls back up the state ... but all in all they put in statewide measures to help protect business and people in the city which just doesn't fit the upstate dynamic and really hurts it cuomo was notorious for catering to the city and crushing upstate with his taxes and social programs that did nothing but enhance poverty
November 4, 200420 yr cuomo was notorious for catering to the city and crushing upstate with his taxes and social programs that did nothing but enhance poverty Taxes and social programs don't enhance poverty. If you don't have anything, there's nothing for them to tax you on.
November 4, 200420 yr If you click on the tab for 2000. It shows that Indian reservations are shown also. Does not say it on the 2004 version,although it still does. If you look you can see counties aroud prominent Universities also. I.E. U os F and Fla St., Madison Wisc,AnnArbor etc. Tells you that the votes are inner city,indian res, or academia, union. And that is all that it is. Do you think they will ever figure that out?
November 4, 200420 yr There's a lot of Democrats on the Mississippi river. Must be something in the water. Those areas also have heavy black populations.
November 4, 200420 yr When you take taxes from a guy on the edge, its not hard to push'em over. You need to look at how well FDR's taxation worked, I think you'll be suprised. A guy that's "on the edge" also gets benefits from social programs and plenty of tax breaks. Taxes don't cause poverty. A lot of people that are "suffering" from taxes are really suffering from bad spending habits. Also, I've seen the shoddy economic analysis that's been presented on this board about FDR. It's mostly a bunch of supply-side BS. If market corrections were all that was needed to get the country out of the depression, it would've happened before FDR came into office. He didn't come to power until years after the '29 crash. I can't take seriously economic analysis from people who keep saying that you can cut the deficit by cutting taxes, when that has never worked in practice. In theory junk bonds were supposed to bring a huge economic benefit to this country, too, but we found out better in the late '80s.
November 4, 200420 yr :lol WOW!!! I had no idea my county voted Bush...man..im tellin you...i would have bet any amount of money that they would have gone with Kerry...that is all i hear around here. But I guess that just shows that the Kerry supporters were just way more vocal!!
November 4, 200420 yr My county is the one in Mideastern Iowa (scott) where the mississippi river goes from east to west.. it has it at blue though its about as close to 50/50 as you can get.
November 4, 200420 yr Chicago is in grey (judging by the map) so it seems like I'm going to have to wait and see if this city went with Bush or Kerry. Either way, my candidate won and that's all that matters.
November 4, 200420 yr cuomo was notorious for catering to the city and crushing upstate with his taxes and social programs that did nothing but enhance poverty Taxes and social programs don't enhance poverty. If you don't have anything, there's nothing for them to tax you on. 608348[/snapback] When you take taxes from a guy on the edge, its not hard to push'em over. You need to look at how well FDR's taxation worked, I think you'll be suprised. 608353[/snapback] tonyi - thanks, glad that you understood Fish Fry - actually the guy on the edge usually doesn't get much in the form of programs In upstate NY wages are a lot lower than other places throughout the state .. however, many of the base taxes on products are the same state wide .. this is fine if you are earning a city income, not as much if you are making country wages Also the taxes go across the board ... currently my home county in NY is having problems with progams first put in by Mario .. the tax burden has shifted to the point where property taxes will eat up a high percentage of income .. for example the house I'm buying in Phoenix has the same value as my grandmothers house in upstate NY and I will pay considerably less in property taxes and that is without the forthcoming raise in the upstate taxes (based on pre-existing escalators) Furthermore, these high property taxes make home ownership difficult for those on the cusp to buy a house and make that investment In that instance you are right .. they can now go live in subsidized housing .. how wonderful for them .. they were pushed down into a social program Another neat little thing that has happened is that NY offers better welfare and programs than a state like PA ... the fun effect is that people will move from PA up to NY for welfare and the like ... I've seen it happen and it amazes me So lets tax the rich, the businesses, etc to pay for it all .. well that was done for well over 20 years ... and if you look at upstate you see many businesses that could no longer operate and have scaled back operations or moved completely ... a lot of their money got funneled down to the city Upstate is really kind of sad right now ... it is a beautiful area, full of great schools and people, however they are taxed to death, live in a competative job market with low wages and are treated like they make 3x the income they actually do A good majority of the smart and capable people who grow up there move off to better opportunity, leaving a dying generation to deal with many problems .... crap doesn't roll uphill and that goes socially as well You take away the talented people and what usually fills the void are people who don't bring as much to the table ... it was kind of sad the last time I was home .. my nice town of 8 thousand people is building it's 3rd housing project, has drug dealers and welfare bums loitering down town at all hours and is full of people who just want to get some tax relief, use their tax money on schools, a community center, etc instead of projects and free rides It's very sad and is a result of lingering over taxation and social programs that benefit not the people who work hard and want to develop a strong community, but reward those who don't strive to enhance their own lives on their own accord
November 4, 200420 yr What social programs does the guy on the edge get anything from? What social programs are you bitching about? High taxes encourage business to move to lesser taxed locations. Companies have been fleeing to the south and SW from the north east and rust belt for decades. It's a little more complicated than you make it out to be. It's not tax breaks that are making them move, it's the fact that these areas are practically paying them to move there AND (most importantly) THE COST OF LAND that's making them move. Taxes can be gotten around with creative accounting, paying a hell of a lot more for land can't. Regardless of all of that, you still haven't shown how taxes cause poverty, because there's nothing preventing people from moving to where those companies move. Look at the population center demographics and all that red on the election map. A good hunk of the population centers on that map are blue. A lot of that red is empty space. What's your point? You might want to start presenting stronger economic arguments. You sound a lot like these broken records who keep insisting the new ballparks are an economic benefit to an area, when study after study has shown that any economic impact from them is marginal.
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.