Posted December 1, 200420 yr http://www.ucc.org/news/u113004a.htm CLEVELAND -- The CBS and NBC television networks are refusing to run a 30-second television ad from the United Church of Christ because its all-inclusive welcome has been deemed "too controversial." The ad, part of the denomination's new, broad identity campaign set to begin airing nationwide on Dec. 1, states that -- like Jesus -- the United Church of Christ seeks to welcome all people, regardless of ability, age, race, economic circumstance or sexual orientation. According to a written explanation from CBS, the United Church of Christ is being denied network access because its ad implies acceptance of gay and lesbian couples -- among other minority constituencies -- and is, therefore, too "controversial." "Because this commercial touches on the exclusion of gay couples and other minority groups by other individuals and organizations," reads an explanation from CBS, "and the fact the Executive Branch has recently proposed a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, this spot is unacceptable for broadcast on the [CBS and UPN] networks." These UCC people are what true Christians should be. Embracing everyone. But, I guess Jesus can only be viewed as a right-wing Republican who hates anyone different from himself.
December 1, 200420 yr oh please. if you advertise as the being the "accepting church" then you are impling other groups do not accept. the tv stations reserve the rights of what to air or not, and i don't see anything wrong with not airing that.
December 1, 200420 yr oh please. if you advertise as the being the "accepting church" then you are impling other groups do not accept. the tv stations reserve the rights of what to air or not, and i don't see anything wrong with not airing that. 624397[/snapback] You honestly think CBS has a rational basis on which to not air this ad? You can sit there and say a group that says we accept people regardless of anything is too controversial? You really think it has to do with them indirectly, and without an explicit terms, calling other churches not accepting? You cannot be serious. This is just more evidence that the issue in this country is not defining marriage or giving people rights. The issue is people in this country that are offended by gays and see them as second class citizens.
December 1, 200420 yr oh please. if you advertise as the being the "accepting church" then you are impling other groups do not accept. the tv stations reserve the rights of what to air or not, and i don't see anything wrong with not airing that. 624397[/snapback] You honestly think CBS has a rational basis on which to not air this ad? You can sit there and say a group that says we accept people regardless of anything is too controversial? You really think it has to do with them indirectly, and without an explicit terms, calling other churches not accepting? You cannot be serious. This is just more evidence that the issue in this country is not defining marriage or giving people rights. The issue is people in this country that are offended by gays and see them as second class citizens. 624401[/snapback] i don't know why cbs did not accept it. but i know that it is a valid reason. besides, should they even give a reason why they don't want to air it?
December 1, 200420 yr Author oh please. if you advertise as the being the "accepting church" then you are impling other groups do not accept. the tv stations reserve the rights of what to air or not, and i don't see anything wrong with not airing that. 624397[/snapback] You honestly think CBS has a rational basis on which to not air this ad? You can sit there and say a group that says we accept people regardless of anything is too controversial? You really think it has to do with them indirectly, and without an explicit terms, calling other churches not accepting? You cannot be serious. This is just more evidence that the issue in this country is not defining marriage or giving people rights. The issue is people in this country that are offended by gays and see them as second class citizens. 624401[/snapback] i don't know why cbs did not accept it. but i know that it is a valid reason. besides, should they even give a reason why they don't want to air it? 624423[/snapback] You dont' know why they didn't accept it? It says, in their own words, it was because of a proposed federal policy that isn't even law and probably won't become law.
December 1, 200420 yr that's the excuse they are giving, yes. do you know that's truly it? anyhow, it sounds like a good excuse to me.
December 1, 200420 yr oh please. if you advertise as the being the "accepting church" then you are impling other groups do not accept. the tv stations reserve the rights of what to air or not, and i don't see anything wrong with not airing that. 624397[/snapback] You honestly think CBS has a rational basis on which to not air this ad? You can sit there and say a group that says we accept people regardless of anything is too controversial? You really think it has to do with them indirectly, and without an explicit terms, calling other churches not accepting? You cannot be serious. This is just more evidence that the issue in this country is not defining marriage or giving people rights. The issue is people in this country that are offended by gays and see them as second class citizens. 624401[/snapback] Rational or not, if the TV network feels that the Ad won't sit well with thier core audience they won't air it. It is a business.
December 1, 200420 yr that's the excuse they are giving, yes. do you know that's truly it? anyhow, it sounds like a good excuse to me. 624429[/snapback] No, nobody can read their mind. We will just have to take their word for it. Would you be fine with it being that they dont want to offend people who hate black people or because they dont want to offend communists(economic status)? Are those rational reasons? The views of someone who is offended by a church including gays is now the controlling factor?
December 1, 200420 yr but they never said that. 624462[/snapback] would you be ok with it if they did?
December 1, 200420 yr but they never said that. 624462[/snapback] would you be ok with it if they did? 624464[/snapback] no, i would not be ok with it. but what does that have to do with this?
December 1, 200420 yr but they never said that. 624462[/snapback] would you be ok with it if they did? 624464[/snapback] no, i would not be ok with it. but what does that have to do with this? 624472[/snapback] why is it ok in one instance to placate to people who are offended by a church that says it doesnt care what your sexual orientation is but not ok in another instance dealing with race and economic level?
December 1, 200420 yr but they never said that. 624462[/snapback] would you be ok with it if they did? 624464[/snapback] no, i would not be ok with it. but what does that have to do with this? 624472[/snapback] why is it ok in one instance to placate to people who are offended by a church that says it doesnt care what your sexual orientation is but not ok in another instance dealing with race and economic level? 624476[/snapback] they haven't said that's the reason, so why are you associating it?
December 1, 200420 yr but they never said that. 624462[/snapback] would you be ok with it if they did? 624464[/snapback] no, i would not be ok with it. but what does that have to do with this? 624472[/snapback] why is it ok in one instance to placate to people who are offended by a church that says it doesnt care what your sexual orientation is but not ok in another instance dealing with race and economic level? 624476[/snapback] they haven't said that's the reason, so why are you associating it? 624481[/snapback] Isnt it rationally implicit? Because this commercial touches on the exclusion of gay couples and other minority groups by other individuals and organizations Because the commercial says "we accept gays," it touches on other groups who dont accept gays as possibley being bad. What other reason is there? Wanna give some other rational reasons as to why this is the case? Lets look at another example. Commercial says "Our political group allows all Republicans regardless of how centrist or not they might be." The response: "Because this commercial touches on the exclusion of moderates from the Republican party, it is inappropriate." Who else would like the commercial not to be aired? The rational is clear.
December 1, 200420 yr how about groups that don't openly say "we accept gays" but who do accept them. it is an attack to those groups too. how about the rationale that not discriminating against homosexuals doesn't mean to accept homosexuality.
December 1, 200420 yr how about groups that don't openly say "we accept gays" but who do accept them. it is an attack to those groups too. how about the rationale that not discriminating against homosexuals doesn't mean to accept homosexuality. 624501[/snapback] wherein does that ad affect those groups? what travesty has the ad commited to those groups? whats the big deal with the ad?
December 1, 200420 yr the ad may be interpreted as saying "in this church is ok to be a homosexual". i don't know about you, but i have a problem with it.
December 1, 200420 yr the ad may be interpreted as saying "in this church is ok to be a homosexual". i don't know about you, but i have a problem with it. 624507[/snapback] what problem do you have with that?
December 1, 200420 yr i don't feel its ok to be a homosexual. i don't have a problem with homosexuals, but i do with homosexuality.
December 1, 200420 yr Both networks have every right not to air the ads. Is it right? I really can't say because I haven't seen the ads. I mean if they show some gay guys kissing or something like that then yeah its too controversial. Sham's source is the UCC so its not exactly an impartial view. Seems like a non-issue to me really.
December 1, 200420 yr You can view the spot here: http://www.stillspeaking.com/default.htm By the way, I'm not endorsing it, just thought it would help with the discussion.
December 1, 200420 yr i don't feel its ok to be a homosexual. i don't have a problem with homosexuals, but i do with homosexuality. 624526[/snapback] Why do you think its not ok to be homosexual? Are you saying its a choice that people like Lynn Cheney and other people who grew up in deeply religious families chose to do?
December 1, 200420 yr I'm amazed that a TV network that has a premier show in a premier timeslot features gay characters, yet won't feature commercials of a church that accepts all different types of people. Freaking idiocy at its best. :plain
December 1, 200420 yr i don't feel is morally right, nor naturally right. i feel that what differentiates us from animals is our ability to control impulses and act rational.
December 1, 200420 yr i don't feel is morally right, nor naturally right. i feel that what differentiates us from animals is our ability to control impulses and act rational. 624568[/snapback] What is rational, or what is right? What the majority thinks. Is it not? The majority of people used to believe the world was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, etc. That doesn't mean they were right. Maybe it is us, those who are attracted to the opposite sex who are wrong.
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