Posted March 19, 200519 yr comment_454980 I was having this descussion witht the retards on the ESPN board, heard some stupid opinions, wondering what you think?? I say San Diego with La a close second... there arent many teams with a 7-9th innings like Linebrink, Otsuka, and Hoffman. They also aquired Hammond to take care of leftys and depth with Neal, Seanez and Reyes... LA looks impressive as with with a great 7-9 as well with Carrara, Brazoban and Gagne, with one of the best Lefty specialist in the game in Kelly Wunsch. And quality middle and long relief with Duaner Sanchez, Alverez, and Dessens. Also Arizona has a chance to be one of the best if Aquino pans out, you have Valverde and Kaplove blowing away batters in earlier innings, Choate a shaky Lefty but Lyon and Bruney are supposed to be big pieced in the pen... A couple more are Phillie, With Wagner and Madsen healthy and with Worrel back in the setup role. Rheal Cormier and Fultz not very bad leftys to have, especially Cormier effective now days (Kerrigan actually did something...) Telemaco should be in long relief... ...And Cards fell off this year with Kline and Calero gone, and Mike Myers should be hell, Cards fans hope Carmen Cali is ready soon. you should see some nobodies in middle relief, guys like Al Reyes. Cal Eldred will be a nice middle or long relief option. Cincinnati also looks much better this year with newly aquired Ben Weber setting up with highly touted and closer of the future Ryan Wagner, theyll be setting up Graves who lead the league in saves most of the season... Thell also have Weathers and Merker newly aquired... Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454981 San Diego Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454982 The Phillies without a doubt. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr Author comment_454983 The Phillies without a doubt. 715336[/snapback] Any opinion why? Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454984 The Phillies without a doubt. 715336[/snapback] Any opinion why? 715340[/snapback] A healthy Wagner, a healthy Worrell and Madson for a whole year. If you are trailing after 6 you are in serious trouble. Their problem is their starters, their pen is one of the best, or the best imo. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr Author comment_454985 The Phillies without a doubt. 715336[/snapback] Any opinion why? 715340[/snapback] A healthy Wagner, a healthy Worrell and Madson for a whole year. If you are trailing after 6 you are in serious trouble. Their problem is their starters, their pen is one of the best, or the best imo. 715349[/snapback] IMO there are other 7-9 as good or better than Phillie, with more debth as well, Phillie is one of the ebst but it hink SD and La are deeper Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454986 People are seriously under-rating the Phillies. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr Author comment_454987 People are seriously under-rating the Phillies. 715358[/snapback] If your counting me im very much not... I believe the Starting rotation is overrated, but with Burrell hitting this spring and Abreu and Thome one of the best hitters in the national league, you know theyre going to score as mu7ch as anyone can... And just because i dont think Phillie has the best bullpen its still very very good, just not the best IMO... I tihnk the Phillies will contend this year, in no way do I see them in a deferent league than Atlanta and Florida... Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454988 I think the Phillies are very good, but their starting pitching will be the death of them. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454989 If Admin Bowa was right in his statements about last year not being a hot summer in Philly, Citizens Bank Park will be Coors Field East. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454990 I voted Rockies.... In honor of jrHEMI Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454991 I have no clue, but I know it is not the Marlins Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr Author comment_454992 I voted Rockies.... In honor of jrHEMI 715447[/snapback] What? Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454993 That awesome Japanese guy, Rudy Seanez, Blaine Neal, Chris Hammond, Scott Linebrink, and Trevor Hoffman make up the best bullpen by far. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 19, 200519 yr comment_454994 Nothing beats Hoffman, Linebrink, Otsuka, Hammond and Seanez. Worrell and Cormier are both 39 years old now and were both much less effective then the year before... and Wagner has a f***ed up rotator cuff. Madson is good though. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 20, 200519 yr Author comment_454995 Nothing beats Hoffman, Linebrink, Otsuka, Hammond and Seanez. Worrell and Cormier are both 39 years old now and were both much less effective then the year before... and Wagner has a f***ed up rotator cuff. Madson is good though. 715548[/snapback] Wagner ahead of schedule and 100%, he started his offseason work a month ahead of shedule and he expects a great season. He also said the shoulder is as good as new... But still otherwise your right, Worrell should be better in a comfortable setup role this year if everyone stays healthy but no where near what Otsuka or Linebrink can do, and theres no proof that Madsen with be that effective for a full season... SD much better Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 20, 200519 yr comment_454996 Giants. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 20, 200519 yr comment_454997 I think it's the Padres, IMO. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 20, 200519 yr Author comment_454998 Giants. 716168[/snapback] :lol :lol They only have 5 of the 7 slots filled now and the 5 are okay at best. Benitez is nasty, Brower is a horse, but then Christianson, and Eyre are nothing great, Herges pitched horribly last year and the next two spots are filled with journey under expieience journeyman, Kinney, Franklin, Foppert, Fikac, or Fassero. Thre good if your looking for a pen with alot of F's... :plain Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 21, 200519 yr comment_454999 Giants, if Benitez has a 2004 campaign over there Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=454999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 21, 200519 yr Author comment_455000 Giants, if Benitez has a 2004 campaign over there 716653[/snapback] See previous post Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=455000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 22, 200519 yr comment_455001 Dodgers, as long as they have Gagne and play in Dodger stadium, they will have a sick pen. Not to mention, Brazoban is making them forget about Mota, and Jackson could spend time in the bullpen as a long-reliever/set-up man... Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=455001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 22, 200519 yr Author comment_455002 Dodgers, as long as they have Gagne and play in Dodger stadium, they will have a sick pen.? Not to mention, Brazoban is making them forget about Mota, and Jackson could spend time in the bullpen as a long-reliever/set-up man... 717861[/snapback] Surprised theres more Phillie and Dodger votes, I'd take La over and one but SD anyday Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=455002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 22, 200519 yr comment_455003 Giants. 716168[/snapback] :lol :lol They only have 5 of the 7 slots filled now and the 5 are okay at best. Benitez is nasty, Brower is a horse, but then Christianson, and Eyre are nothing great, Herges pitched horribly last year and the next two spots are filled with journey under expieience journeyman, Kinney, Franklin, Foppert, Fikac, or Fassero. Thre good if your looking for a pen with alot of F's... :plain 716187[/snapback] all that matters is the closer. Good closer, the middle relief falls into place. While the GIants don't have the best, if Benitez pitches like he did last year, then they will be up there... plus the middle relief isn't all that bad... Brower could be a top notch setup guy if he wasn't overworked Herges just couldn't handle the closer's role, he's good as a middle reliever Eyre is in a lot better shape than last year and could be a top notch lefty reliever if Felipe used him right Christiansen was still recovering from Tommy John most of last year, but he has great velocity Foppert was the #1 pitching prospect in baseball just two years ago, look for him to have a strong second half once he fully recovers from Tommy John The last spot should go to Tyler Walker, he pitched pretty well last year (especially when facing the Marlins) Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=455003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 22, 200519 yr Author comment_455004 Giants. 716168[/snapback] :lol :lol They only have 5 of the 7 slots filled now and the 5 are okay at best. Benitez is nasty, Brower is a horse, but then Christianson, and Eyre are nothing great, Herges pitched horribly last year and the next two spots are filled with journey under expieience journeyman, Kinney, Franklin, Foppert, Fikac, or Fassero. Thre good if your looking for a pen with alot of F's... :plain 716187[/snapback] all that matters is the closer. Good closer, the middle relief falls into place. While the GIants don't have the best, if Benitez pitches like he did last year, then they will be up there... plus the middle relief isn't all that bad... Brower could be a top notch setup guy if he wasn't overworked Herges just couldn't handle the closer's role, he's good as a middle reliever Eyre is in a lot better shape than last year and could be a top notch lefty reliever if Felipe used him right Christiansen was still recovering from Tommy John most of last year, but he has great velocity Foppert was the #1 pitching prospect in baseball just two years ago, look for him to have a strong second half once he fully recovers from Tommy John The last spot should go to Tyler Walker, he pitched pretty well last year (especially when facing the Marlins) 717911[/snapback] Marlins had a great closer, were hey up there? Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/26230-best-bullpen-in-nl/?&do=findComment&comment=455004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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