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Giles in no mood to rebuild

 

By Joe Starkey

TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Wednesday, July 23, 2003

 

As Pirates left fielder Brian Giles braced for the media mob before Tuesday's game, catcher Jason Kendall yelled to him, "Don't do it."

Presumably, Kendall meant for Giles not to speak his mind about the Pirates trading another established player, in this case reliever Scott Sauerbeck. Two days earlier, closer Mike Williams was dealt to the Philadelphia Phillies, and after yesterday's game, Kenny Lofton and Aramis Ramirez were bound for Chicago.

 

Everybody expects more deals before the July 31 trade deadline, perhaps even one that involves Giles, the team's best player.

 

"Do I think I'm going to be here? I'm thinking about reporting Friday to Latrobe," Giles said jokingly, referring to the start of Steelers training camp.

 

Somebody asked him which position he'd play.

 

"Waterboy," he said. "Bobby Boucher."

 

Giles was referring to Adam Sandler's character in the film, "Waterboy." Maybe Giles can relate. In the film, Boucher unleashes years of pent-up rage to help turn one of the worst college football teams in history into a winner.

 

It appears that all the rage in the world won't help the Pirates right now -- or stop them from trading other established players in the next nine days. Giles sounded a bit envious of Williams and Sauerbeck.

 

"We all want to win, and not all of us can get traded," Giles said. "We knew this was going to happen if we couldn't stay in the race, and it was conceded a couple of weeks ago."

 

The Pirates have been hemorrhaging money since they moved into PNC Park and apparently are in no position to keep all of their highest-priced players. Giles, 32, is slated to make $7.5 million next season. He is decidedly against the idea of enduring yet another massive rebuilding movement.

 

"I don't have much time left," he said, "so I don't know if that would be the situation."

 

Would he be shocked if he's still here Aug. 1?

 

"Not if they're losing a lot of money and they're tearing this thing down," he said.

 

"It's not a surprise to anybody in here. We (the players) have a little bit of fault ourselves. We haven't played up to our capabilities."

 

Giles has a limited no-trade clause in his contract, which runs through the 2005 season. It states he would accept a deal to one of six teams -- the Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, Arizona Diamondbacks, San Francisco Giants, Colorado Rockies and Atlanta Braves.

 

If a deal to a team such as the Oakland A's were possible, would he approve it?

 

"The Raiders," Giles said, smiling.

 

Back in spring training, Giles was brimming with optimism. He liked the moves that brought in veteran players. It was the sort of situation he envisioned back in May, 2000, when he signed a contract extension even though he probably could have made more on the open market.

 

What kept him here?

 

"I think we can win here," Giles said at the time. "So, I got a new deal, and I'm gonna be here until 2005 unless they get rid of me."

 

Joe Starkey can be reached at [email protected].

yea we can have Giles, IF WE TAKE KENDALL, or give up the farm

 

NO THANKS

I'd rather have Guillen, anyways...

I'd rather have Guillen, anyways...

Amen to that :thumbup

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My thoughts exactly. I would like to have Guillen too, but it would be nice to add a veteran such as Giles. We need somebody else playing LF for us. I like Cabrera, but he is way too young to handle the stress of a pennant drive, let alone chasing the wild card. It does seem like the Pirates are unloading veterans for prospects and they are doing it in a very desperate fashion. Maybe we can take advantage of that situation, who knows? :rolleyes:

Giles has a limited no-trade clause in his contract, which runs through the 2005 season. It states he would accept a deal to one of six teams -- the Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, Arizona Diamondbacks, San Francisco Giants, Colorado Rockies and Atlanta Braves.

 

 

Brian no likey the fishes?

Yea I want to see Rondell in left or Jose Guillen or even Giles.

 

But fo real I think our GM is one dumb a$$ b*tch.

 

He probably won't make a trade for a LF.

ummm. beifest has done a pretty decent job buddy......

Beinfest has done a decent job, although the wheels are going to completely fall off this offseason. BUt I am enjoying it while it lasts....

 

 

 

In the words of Mike Redmond.... "See you in the 7th or 8th Skip.... me and Ramon are going to get some pizza."

Yea I want to see Rondell in left or Jose Guillen or even Giles.

 

But fo real I think our GM is one dumb a$$ b*tch.

 

He probably won't make a trade for a LF.

yup he done a great job for us... and White might go to KC if we dont make a hard push for him

Beinfest has done an amazing job. I dont question his moves at this point; the Dempster/Floyd deal has worked to our favor, the CJ/PW deal was a minor miracle to pull off and has worked out for us (Pierre has been great, and Spoon, when healthy, has been very good), and dare I say that the AA/Clement deal has worked out for us (D-Train anyone?).

 

That said, I dont think there is a chance in hell we get Giles. The Pirates may be trying to trade him and his big salary, but the teams that are listed in that article have the money to take on his and Kendall's deals. We dont. I think this may be a similar deal to PW and CJ's, unloading salary for some talent. I dont think we have a Pierre or Spoon that we could spare in order to get Giles at this point. Let alone take on the salary.

 

So, Guillen is our best bet at this point. But who knows...

Beinfest has done a decent job, although the wheels are going to completely fall off this offseason. BUt I am enjoying it while it lasts....

 

You and the rest of baseball will be suprised when the offseason is said and done with. We're going to be fine and Beinfest is going to come up as one of the brightest GMs in baseball. Hes in on the ground floor of the era of short term contracts for payroll flexability. Its not a recipe for a steady dynasty, but for small market teams its a good way to ensure competitiveness year in and year out.

You and the rest of baseball will be suprised when the offseason is said and done with. We're going to be fine and Beinfest is going to come up as one of the brightest GMs in baseball. Hes in on the ground floor of the era of short term contracts for payroll flexability. Its not a recipe for a steady dynasty, but for small market teams its a good way to ensure competitiveness year in and year out.

I don't really want to delve back into this arguement again...

 

Suffice it to say, the one-year experiment is a horrible idea, and the Marlins have painted themselves into a corner they cannot get out of unscathed.

he seems stupid. I read someplace that he didn't even know who Ivan Rodriguez was before he signed him.

he seems stupid. I read someplace that he didn't even know who Ivan Rodriguez was before he signed him.

and you would believe that?

 

:banghead

I "read someplace" that when Loria drops acid he likes to think he's Jesus... He throws on his "jerusalem cruisers" sandals and tries to walk across Lake Boca.

 

Oh, you want the source? ...dunno... I read it somewhere.

Suffice it to say, the one-year experiment is a horrible idea, and the Marlins have painted themselves into a corner they cannot get out of unscathed.

 

We're going to be fine. Castillo and Pudge are the only significant players that we'll lose without direct compensation and even with them we'll get extra draft picks. Its not like we need to pick up players for them, we have replacements waiting in the wings. This is the way the game has to be played in small markets. We can't afford to make mistakes on long term deals.

 

We'll probably have to trade Lee and maybe Penny but in both those deals will get players back. Everyone else that we'll lose like some of the bench guys can be easily replaced with cheaper free agents.

 

I'm not saying that Beinfest is the next Billy Beane... but its not that far of a stretch of the imagination. He's getting us in on the forefront of this movement. In five years this will be a way of life for more than half the teams in baseball.

I "read someplace" that when Loria drops acid he likes to think he's Jesus... He throws on his "jerusalem cruisers" sandals and tries to walk across Lake Boca.

 

Oh, you want the source? ...dunno... I read it somewhere.

:lol :lol :lol

I'd be lying if I said I knew all these guys by sight. We did play them 19 times last year, so I know most of the guys on the major-league club. But would I say I know them all? No, not yet. ?

? Admin Beinfest,

Marlins GM

OK NC marlin...you sucked me back in....

 

This current strategy will cost dearly. Now forced to to sign Lowell (who could of been had way cheaper last year or two years ago with a long-term deal) for 6-8 mil, the Marlins will have little cash left to sign the remainder of their one year/arbitration eligible players, which is most everyone besides Pierre and the stadium announcer.

 

Pudge is gone, although more than half of his salary is pro-rated. Meaning the Fish will still be paying him millions two years down the road, no matter where he is at. And there will be no return for Pudge leaving.

 

Lee's arby could of been avoided too. But instead of signing him long-term, they are now looking at an abritrator setting Lee's worth in the 6mil range.

 

Castillo is gone. Name a "cheap free agent" you'd like to see at 2B? Plus, they have to deal with Carcy, Sea Bass and the pitching, of whom most are having better than average years if not career best years and who are either FA's or arby-eligible.

 

And as for the replacements waiting in the wings... It took years to develop the players we have now and it's unreasonable to expect fans to sit around like lemmings for another couple of 65-75 win seasons while half of the line-up cuts their teeth at the MLB level.

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he seems stupid. I read someplace that he didn't even know who Ivan Rodriguez was before he signed him.

I read someplace...? OMG!!! here we go again with the debate about opinions versus facts. :banghead

No,he didn't even know his own players man you can't be that stupid,.

I'd be lying if I said I knew all these guys by sight. We did play them 19 times last year, so I know most of the guys on the major-league club. But would I say I know them all? No, not yet. ?

? Admin Beinfest,

Marlins GM

I like to drop a few hits of acid, then maybe a tab or two of X. Then I cruise out to lake Boca on the boat with my apostles and a few hoes. I throw on the painter's smock and my sandals and walk across water. No kidding. From the Palmetto bridge right over to the Boca resort, creating new followers as I go. I am the chosen one!

 

---Jeffrey Loria.

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I'd be lying if I said I knew all these guys by sight. We did play them 19 times last year, so I know most of the guys on the major-league club. But would I say I know them all? No, not yet. ?

? Admin Beinfest,

Marlins GM

Please, tell me where in that paragraph does it say that Beinfest didn't know Pudge before signing him...? Please... Because I don't see it. Oh, and by the way, that paragraph refers to the FO not knowing their players "individually" when they bought the team from Henry. Anything else you want to quote and put it completely out of context? :banghead

No it just shows how stupid he is.

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