May 19, 200519 yr http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2063397 Bonds immobilized on 24-hour I.V.By Jayson Stark ESPN.com Related Video: OTL: Bonds affects home ticket sales DENVER -- They are into Week 7 of life without Barry. And the San Francisco Giants still have no answer to the question that won't go away: AP Photo/Ben Margot Bonds has been advised to even stay off crutches at this time. When is Barry Bonds coming back? There is no answer because Bonds, according to a number of sources, is attached to an I.V. full of antibiotics 24 hours a day -- with no end to that ordeal in sight. There is no answer because Bonds is no longer dealing with the aftermath of "just" a baseball injury or "just" a knee operation. He is dealing with a potentially serious post-operative infection that has him essentially immobilized for the foreseeable future. So there is no timeline for Bonds' rehab, because right now, there is no rehab. Bonds' case is in the hands of Dr. Robert Armstrong, an infectious disease specialist. And that won't change until Dr. Armstrong is certain the infection is completely absent. That could be a matter of days, but it also could be a matter of weeks. Infections to the knee are particularly precarious -- because of the risk of infection to the bone itself -- and it's believed that Bonds' medical team plans to be extra cautious before deciding to clear him to resume his rehab. By then, however, Bonds might be so weakened by several weeks of nearly total immobility that his rehab almost certainly will be significantly longer than the normal four-to-six-week schedule that faces most patients following arthroscopic knee surgery. At this point, it's believed Bonds is even being discouraged from hobbling around on crutches, as he did earlier this month in a visit to SBC Park, because that puts more pressure on his knee than doctors would prefer. So when is Bonds coming back? It isn't even worth guessing, because there is literally no one who knows the answer. Jayson Stark is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
May 19, 200519 yr Like the ivy on the wall at wrigley? :mischief 777463[/snapback] Yes. :mischief 777472[/snapback] :mischief Just busting your balls. Good luck to Barry, I wish no harm on him. Hope that this doesn't get too serious.
May 19, 200519 yr Like the ivy on the wall at wrigley? :mischief 777463[/snapback] Yes. :mischief 777472[/snapback] :mischief Just busting your balls. Good luck to Barry, I wish no harm on him. Hope that this doesn't get too serious. 777473[/snapback] That's why I posted a :mischief .
May 19, 200519 yr I finally feel bad for Barry Bonds. Never thought this day was come. I hope he has a full recovery and gets to play some baseball again. Ironically, they'll probably be pumping him full of steroids now.
May 19, 200519 yr I finally feel bad for Barry Bonds. Never thought this day was come. I hope he has a full recovery and gets to play some baseball again. Ironically, they'll probably be pumping him full of steroids now. 777480[/snapback] If his current situation is a result of irresponsible doctor(s), they I must say I feel very bad for him, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. However, if his current situation is based upon past irresponsible use of performance enhancers, he has nobody to blame but himself.
May 19, 200519 yr I finally feel bad for Barry Bonds.? Never thought this day was come.? I hope he has a full recovery and gets to play some baseball again. Ironically, they'll probably be pumping him full of steroids now. 777480[/snapback] If his current situation is a result of irresponsible doctor(s), they I must say I feel very bad for him, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. However, if his current situation is based upon past irresponsible use of performance enhancers, he has nobody to blame but himself. 777509[/snapback] I feel the same way and I think that the second is the case.
May 19, 200519 yr I finally feel bad for Barry Bonds.? Never thought this day was come.? I hope he has a full recovery and gets to play some baseball again. Ironically, they'll probably be pumping him full of steroids now. 777480[/snapback] If his current situation is a result of irresponsible doctor(s), they I must say I feel very bad for him, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. However, if his current situation is based upon past irresponsible use of performance enhancers, he has nobody to blame but himself. 777509[/snapback] Performance-enhancing steroids do not cause post-operation infections. And if you're trying to draw a line from steroid use to knee injury to operation to infection, that's a pretty shaky line to draw...and one that probably has little scientific evidence to back it up. I don't want to get into an argument over whether steroid use might lead to the sort of injury Bonds has. It would be ridiculous anyway, since steroids or no steroids, Bonds' body has held out longer than most. What happened to Bonds is something that happens on occasion to surgical patients, and its unfortunate every time. Edit: And I'll just add that infections are not necessarily the result of irresponsible doctors. That's rarely the case. Bacteria are ubiquitous, and you can take whatever precautions you want, but nothing's foolproof. I'm sure Bonds' doctors were some of the best in the biz.
May 19, 200519 yr the initial knee injury probably is due to enhancers. the infection is due to just bad luck. regardless babe ruth in ensuring that barry bonds doesnt break his record.
May 19, 200519 yr Sucks, hopefully he will be ok in the long run. Does anyone think he still plays at all this year?
May 19, 200519 yr Sucks, hopefully he will be ok in the long run. Does anyone think he still plays at all this year? 777628[/snapback] I don't think he'll play at all this season...he looks nowhere near healed.
May 19, 200519 yr well, i've read stuff that suggests anabolic steroids depress the immune system in general, and i've seen other stuff that suggests that users of anabolic steroids who stop (e.g. an off cycle, or to pass a drug test, or to clean themselves before surgery) have weakened immune systems. if either is the case, maybe a nasty infection isn't entirely the result of bad luck.
May 19, 200519 yr well, i've read stuff that suggests anabolic steroids depress the immune system in general, and i've seen other stuff that suggests that users of anabolic steroids who stop (e.g. an off cycle, or to pass a drug test, or to clean themselves before surgery) have weakened immune systems. if either is the case, maybe a nasty infection isn't entirely the result of bad luck. 777656[/snapback] well now that is true.
May 19, 200519 yr well, i've read stuff that suggests anabolic steroids depress the immune system in general, and i've seen other stuff that suggests that users of anabolic steroids who stop (e.g. an off cycle, or to pass a drug test, or to clean themselves before surgery) have weakened immune systems. if either is the case, maybe a nasty infection isn't entirely the result of bad luck. 777656[/snapback] I don't doubt that you've read said stuff, and I'm not saying that said stuff is necessarily untrue. But I'd be willing to bet you can find something to read that will tell you that anabolic steroids have no significant effect on the immune system. I don't know for a fact that such a study exists, I'm just saying I think its highly likely that somewhere out there, there's a scientific study along those lines. Its my understanding that medical knowledge of the effects of steroids is very limited, and for every study that says yes, there's another that says no and two that say maybe. Please correct me if I'm wrong...I mean, I'm sure you know more than I do on this subject. All I'm saying is I think its kind of wrong to say Bonds had it coming (while he's lying up in bed hooked up to a damn IV all day) when we don't really know anything of the sort. Sometimes even rich a**holes deserve a little empathy.
May 19, 200519 yr Sometimes even rich a**holes deserve a little empathy. Would Barry have empathy for you?
May 19, 200519 yr ? Sometimes even rich a**holes deserve a little empathy. Would Barry have empathy for you? 777840[/snapback] I doubt it.
May 19, 200519 yr *cough* getting *cough* roids *cough* taken *cough* out *cough* 777598[/snapback] How does an IV take 'roids' out?
May 19, 200519 yr ? Sometimes even rich a**holes deserve a little empathy. Would Barry have empathy for you? 777840[/snapback] I doubt it. 777843[/snapback] my point exactly.
May 20, 200519 yr I'm prepared for Barry to retire and never play again. And to be honest, I think the biggest blow to the Giants this year was losing Armando Benitez, not Bonds. They were scoring runs before. They just couldn't close the door. This just isn't the year for San Fran.. First, Bonds... then Mando...then Schmidt goes down (although he should be back next week)..
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