TimeWrecker Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 were going to need him, and he's going to perform. I know that almost NONE of you have any confidence left in ol' Al, but the man is a great pitcher, who just hasn't been himself. Leiters pitching slump will end just as Mikey and JP hitting slumps are. If we are going to need him to cover for a guy like Beckett, some of you have to have faith in him, he can still pitch, and he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsContinueTo ShowDomi Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I have some faith in Leiter hopefully doing better, because with the injury to Josh and the unreliability of minor league callups, there is no other choice (except a trade) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Punisher Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I think things will get better, but not phenominal....I have confidence left in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeWrecker Posted June 19, 2005 Author Share Posted June 19, 2005 What did I say, Al came through, and ill keeping showing you this topic when ever he does so, Al went 5 scoreless, and a total of 6 and 2, a very decent outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsContinueTo ShowDomi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 He did today what was asked, just keep the team in the game and go 5 or 6 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 How did Al come through? The Angels offense didn't come through. He threw 100 pitches through 5 innings and still couldn't do anything. It's a start, but he definitely did not come through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeWrecker Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 How did Al come through? The Angels offense didn't come through. He threw 100 pitches through 5 innings and still couldn't do anything. It's a start, but he definitely did not come through. 817469[/snapback] He's blinded by his hate for Al... 22 got out of every jam, and did more than keep us in the game, as everyone but the poster above has said, Al did his job. I don't care if he threw 200 through 5 innings, if the oppents score is 0, you can't argue that he did not do his job, you my friend, are dead wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierremvp1 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 How did Al come through? The Angels offense didn't come through. He threw 100 pitches through 5 innings and still couldn't do anything. It's a start, but he definitely did not come through. 817469[/snapback] As worthless as the normal post on these boards are, I think we hust hit a new low in ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Nation Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Leiter had a solid outing today, no question. What that means for future starts, noone can say. Either way he did well today and let's hope he keeps it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeWrecker Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Leiter had a solid outing today, no question. What that means for future starts, noone can say. Either way he did well today and let's hope he keeps it up. 817529[/snapback] lets hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 How did Al come through? The Angels offense didn't come through. He threw 100 pitches through 5 innings and still couldn't do anything. It's a start, but he definitely did not come through. He's blinded by his hate for Al... 22 got out of every jam, and did more than keep us in the game, as everyone but the poster above has said, Al did his job. I don't care if he threw 200 through 5 innings, if the oppents score is 0, you can't argue that he did not do his job, you my friend, are dead wrongI'm sorry, but allowing 10 people to safely reach base (5 hits, 5 walks) in 6 innings of work while throwing 117 pitches, only 62 strikes, does not make a solid start. Is it technically a quality start? Yes. But there was nothing quality about this start unless it is compared to Al's previous starts. Is it the start of something better? Hopefully. When the Marlins get 5 hits and 5 walks in 6 innings, but score only 2 runs, it's the offense's fault instead of the pitcher pitching well. However, when our pitcher does that and it's the other offense that fails in those situations, it's our pitcher that did well and not their offense that failed. You can't have it both ways, it's either the pitcher always does well getting out of the jam or the offense always fails. And more often than not in situations where the pitcher is running himself into jams, he has to be bailed out by either his defense or the bats. And Al Leiter had both, despite his not being able to help (who the hell has to teach him to cover first base? This stuff is taught when you're 8). How did Al come through? The Angels offense didn't come through. He threw 100 pitches through 5 innings and still couldn't do anything. It's a start, but he definitely did not come through. As worthless as the normal post on these boards are, I think we hust hit a new low in ignorance.Thanks for adding absolutely nothing but a +1 in the post count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeWrecker Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 and you did any different, and hes right you know... a true marlins fan wouldnt say something like that *jack stares at u* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJBurnett34 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Leiter pitched decent today, he did keep on walking hitters with 5 BB's today but that will come as confidence comes by to Leiter. Now that he allowed finally ONLY two runs instead of 5 he is getting int he comfort zone, i hope.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 and you did any different, and hes right you know... a true marlins fan wouldnt say something like that *jack stares at u* When you have to resort to the "a true marlins fan" line, you have no argument. Good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I don't think Leiter will ever get out of his pitching slump. I think that everyone of his pitching performances will either be horrible and he'll get destroyed, or he won't allow a lot of runs but will allow a lot of baserunners and just get out of jams every inning. And thus far it's seemed that way. You don't see Leiter getting a lot of 1-2-3 innings. I think I've seen him have less than 5 quick 1-2-3 innings this whole season. He allows a ton of baserunners in every start, he just keeps them from scoring in some starts, and in other he lets them kill him. A REAL quality start is when you don't allow the runs OR the baserunners. But Leiter has allowed the baserunners in everyone of his starts this season. I have to watch him pitch in every start and make sure he doesn't f*** up because he always gets me nervous with all the baserunners he allows-lol. He has yet to pitch a quality start, and I don't think we'll see him pitch a game this season where he'll pitch atleast 5 innings and allow less than 5 baserunners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeWrecker Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 he did what he needed to do. He went in for beckett, and kept us in the game, you guys cant complain, as for whats next, lets wait and see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeWrecker Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 oh and im guessing he'll get better, and gain confidence back with each start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeWrecker Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 then lets see if he can continue to bring his game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierremvp1 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 he did what he needed to do. He went in for beckett, and kept us in the game, you guys cant complain, as for whats next, lets wait and see... 817655[/snapback] That's true....I agree. But some out there will continue to complain, bringing up nonsense like sending Al out to pasture, trading or benching Lowell and Pierre, firing McKeon, blaming our offensive inconsistency on the hitting coach. I think many of them think this is a game of MLB2004, and in between jerks in the bathroom with their new found toy come here to post. . .Of course Al has been struggling. As have Lowell, Pierre, and the offense overall. The sane among us know it's better to root for a recovery to previous form. It does no fan good to root for the opposite. If you're negative & right, and the offense continues it's inconsistent ways, and Leiter continues his slump, who wins. You maybe, but the Marlins don't. Keep the team intact. All are proven. The sole exceptions as far as I'm concerned are Mota and Encarnacion, neither of which I have liked from day 1, and neither has any proven record with the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 he did what he needed to do. He went in for beckett, and kept us in the game, you guys cant complain, as for whats next, lets wait and see... 817655[/snapback] That's true....I agree. But some out there will continue to complain, bringing up nonsense like sending Al out to pasture, trading or benching Lowell and Pierre, firing McKeon, blaming our offensive inconsistency on the hitting coach. I think many of them think this is a game of MLB2004, and in between jerks in the bathroom with their new found toy come here to post.. .Of course Al has been struggling. As have Lowell, Pierre, and the offense overall. The sane among us know it's better to root for a recovery to previous form. It does no fan good to root for the opposite. If you're negative & right, and the offense continues it's inconsistent ways, and Leiter continues his slump, who wins. You maybe, but the Marlins don't. Keep the team intact. All are proven. The sole exceptions as far as I'm concerned are Mota and Encarnacion, neither of which I have liked from day 1, and neither has any proven record with the Marlins. 817793[/snapback] :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 So the reason why Leiter, Lowell, JP and Bill Robinson get time to work things out (the season is almost half over!!!!!!!!!!), but Mota and Enc should not depends entirely on your personal feelings toward them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlummoxedLummox Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 So the reason why Leiter, Lowell, JP and Bill Robinson get time to work things out (the season is almost half over!!!!!!!!!!), but Mota and Enc should not depends entirely on your personal feelings toward them? 817943[/snapback] My exact thoughts. He "didn't like them from day one". :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeWrecker Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Lowell is already comming out, JP is too, encarnassion was only going well for the start, but will sink back to normal now, and Robinson is OK, not the best, but it is our offence that is struggling, not him.. i know hes the hitting coach, but look at Alex, .280, not .230... he's done some work there. The team just needs to stop being streaky. As for Mota, i also belifve that he can come through, he just hasnt settled in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ24 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 from a #5 starter all i would ask of him as a manager is to hold the lead we have or if we are losing to keep us in the game and that is exactly what al did yesterday. i knew that rubbing my lucky al lieter no no ticket stubs would be smart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeWrecker Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 YOU WERE THERE TOO!?!?!?!?!? AWESOME! whered you sit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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