FutureGM Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 NEW YORK - Democrats demanded Thursday that White House adviser Karl Rove either apologize or resign for accusing liberals of wanting ?therapy and understanding? for the Sept. 11 attackers, escalating the rancor that threatens to consume Washington. Rove?s comments ? and the response from the political opposition ? mirrored earlier flaps over Democratic chairman Howard Dean?s criticism of Republicans, a House Republican?s statement that Democrats demonize Christians and Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin?s comparison of the Guantanamo prison to Nazi camps and Soviet gulags. White House press secretary Scott McClellan came to Rove?s defense, saying the president?s chief political adviser was ?simply pointing out the different philosophies and different approaches when it comes to winning the war on terrorism.? ?Of course not,? McClellan said when asked by reporters whether President Bush will ask Rove to apologize. Rove, in a speech Wednesday evening to the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, said, ?Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.? Conservatives, he said, ?saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.? He added that the Democratic Party made the mistake of calling for ?moderation and restraint? after the terrorist attacks. During the 2004 campaign, Bush dismissed the notion of negotiating with terrorists and said, ?You can?t sit back and hope that somehow therapy will work and they will change their ways.? Rove?s comments quickly escalated the bitter divide between the parties that could get worse as Congress prepares for what may be a drawn-out political fight, possibly this summer, over a Supreme Court nominee. New York Sen. Charles Schumer said Rover ?took something that is virtually sacred to New Yorkers? ? the tragedy of the Sept. 11 attacks ? ?and politicized it for political, opportunistic purposes.? ?Karl Rove is not just another political operative,? added New York?s other Democratic senator, Hillary Rodham Clinton. ?He sits in the White House, a few doors down from the president.? At a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing Thursday, Clinton urged Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to repudiate the ?insulting comment.? Rumsfeld replied that it ?is unfortunate when things become so polarized or so politicized.? Schumer and Clinton joined the four Democratic senators from Connecticut and New Jersey in a letter to Rove requesting that he immediately retract his comments. ?To try to score partisan, political points at the expense of the 3,000 victims and their families was unacceptable and opportunistic,? they wrote. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., wrote a similar letter to Rove from House Democrats. Schumer said Rove?s comments might have been made in the heat of the moment and he was willing to accept an apology. But ?if they try to stonewall,? he said, ?then I think resignation would be called for.? Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., also said Rove, the political mastermind behind Bush?s election victories, should fully apologize for his remarks or resign. Dean said Bush should ?condemn Karl Rove?s desperate and divisive attempt to help the Republicans regain their political footing.? Republicans, meanwhile, have recently condemned House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for calling the Iraq War a ?grotesque mistake,? and demanded and finally got an apology from Durbin for his linking detainee abuse and Nazis. And they were unapologetic about Rove?s comments. ?The Republican leadership priority is to have our troops hunt down, kill or capture terrorists before they try to attack us again at home,? said Ron Bonjean, spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. Increasing public doubts about the Iraq war have emboldened Democrats to challenge the president?s policies. Republicans, in turn, contend that criticism undermines the war on terror. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a Republican running for re-election in an overwhelmingly Democratic city, issued a statement urging both sides to keep politics out of the war on terrorism. ?We owe it to those we lost to keep partisan politics out of the discussion and keep alive the united spirit that came out of 9/11,? he said. Things are getting pretty ugly in Washington these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 NEW YORK - Democrats demanded Thursday that White House adviser Karl Rove either apologize or resign for accusing liberals of wanting ?therapy and understanding? for the Sept. 11 attackers, escalating the rancor that threatens to consume Washington. Rove?s comments ? and the response from the political opposition ? mirrored earlier flaps over Democratic chairman Howard Dean?s criticism of Republicans, a House Republican?s statement that Democrats demonize Christians and Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin?s comparison of the Guantanamo prison to Nazi camps and Soviet gulags. White House press secretary Scott McClellan came to Rove?s defense, saying the president?s chief political adviser was ?simply pointing out the different philosophies and different approaches when it comes to winning the war on terrorism.? ?Of course not,? McClellan said when asked by reporters whether President Bush will ask Rove to apologize. Rove, in a speech Wednesday evening to the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, said, ?Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.? Conservatives, he said, ?saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.? He added that the Democratic Party made the mistake of calling for ?moderation and restraint? after the terrorist attacks. During the 2004 campaign, Bush dismissed the notion of negotiating with terrorists and said, ?You can?t sit back and hope that somehow therapy will work and they will change their ways.? Rove?s comments quickly escalated the bitter divide between the parties that could get worse as Congress prepares for what may be a drawn-out political fight, possibly this summer, over a Supreme Court nominee. New York Sen. Charles Schumer said Rover ?took something that is virtually sacred to New Yorkers? ? the tragedy of the Sept. 11 attacks ? ?and politicized it for political, opportunistic purposes.? ?Karl Rove is not just another political operative,? added New York?s other Democratic senator, Hillary Rodham Clinton. ?He sits in the White House, a few doors down from the president.? At a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing Thursday, Clinton urged Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to repudiate the ?insulting comment.? Rumsfeld replied that it ?is unfortunate when things become so polarized or so politicized.? Schumer and Clinton joined the four Democratic senators from Connecticut and New Jersey in a letter to Rove requesting that he immediately retract his comments. ?To try to score partisan, political points at the expense of the 3,000 victims and their families was unacceptable and opportunistic,? they wrote. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., wrote a similar letter to Rove from House Democrats. Schumer said Rove?s comments might have been made in the heat of the moment and he was willing to accept an apology. But ?if they try to stonewall,? he said, ?then I think resignation would be called for.? Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., also said Rove, the political mastermind behind Bush?s election victories, should fully apologize for his remarks or resign. Dean said Bush should ?condemn Karl Rove?s desperate and divisive attempt to help the Republicans regain their political footing.? Republicans, meanwhile, have recently condemned House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for calling the Iraq War a ?grotesque mistake,? and demanded and finally got an apology from Durbin for his linking detainee abuse and Nazis. And they were unapologetic about Rove?s comments. ?The Republican leadership priority is to have our troops hunt down, kill or capture terrorists before they try to attack us again at home,? said Ron Bonjean, spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. Increasing public doubts about the Iraq war have emboldened Democrats to challenge the president?s policies. Republicans, in turn, contend that criticism undermines the war on terror. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a Republican running for re-election in an overwhelmingly Democratic city, issued a statement urging both sides to keep politics out of the war on terrorism. ?We owe it to those we lost to keep partisan politics out of the discussion and keep alive the united spirit that came out of 9/11,? he said. Things are getting pretty ugly in Washington these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Tank Frenzy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. I couldnt agree more with this quote. I dont understand what Rove should be apologizing for. I dont get it. Could someone explain it to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Tank Frenzy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. I couldnt agree more with this quote. I dont understand what Rove should be apologizing for. I dont get it. Could someone explain it to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. I couldnt agree more with this quote. I dont understand what Rove should be apologizing for. I dont get it. Could someone explain it to me. 822881[/snapback] I could explain it only if you could explain the right-wing White House's agenda. :thumbup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. I couldnt agree more with this quote. I dont understand what Rove should be apologizing for. I dont get it. Could someone explain it to me. 822881[/snapback] I could explain it only if you could explain the right-wing White House's agenda. :thumbup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Tank Frenzy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Growing economy, security at home and abroad, Social Security reform Please...tell me what he did that was so wrong...I seriously need someone elses point of view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Tank Frenzy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Growing economy, security at home and abroad, Social Security reform Please...tell me what he did that was so wrong...I seriously need someone elses point of view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Growing economy, security at home and abroad, Social Security reform Please...tell me what he did that was so wrong...I seriously need someone elses point of view 822890[/snapback] Rove basically said that Democrats are terrorist sympathizers, or even traitors. I think that's enough reason to ask for an apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Growing economy, security at home and abroad, Social Security reform Please...tell me what he did that was so wrong...I seriously need someone elses point of view 822890[/snapback] Rove basically said that Democrats are terrorist sympathizers, or even traitors. I think that's enough reason to ask for an apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 The Democrats hate Rove so much because they don't have someone as good as him in thier party. :whistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 The Democrats hate Rove so much because they don't have someone as good as him in thier party. :whistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying_Mollusk Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. I couldnt agree more with this quote. I dont understand what Rove should be apologizing for. I dont get it. Could someone explain it to me. 822881[/snapback] He said after 9/11, liberals would want to go give terrorists therapy and try and understand them. Democrats want him to apologize because he is using 9/11 for political gain. Its interesting, because the president every liberal looks up to is FDR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying_Mollusk Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. I couldnt agree more with this quote. I dont understand what Rove should be apologizing for. I dont get it. Could someone explain it to me. 822881[/snapback] He said after 9/11, liberals would want to go give terrorists therapy and try and understand them. Democrats want him to apologize because he is using 9/11 for political gain. Its interesting, because the president every liberal looks up to is FDR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Growing economy, security at home and abroad, Social Security reform Please...tell me what he did that was so wrong...I seriously need someone elses point of view 822890[/snapback] Well they are failing at the growing economy, the security at home seems to find loopholes everyday, social security reform has failed because its all bulls***. And to top it off, a war that should've never been waged. Thats the right wing agenda. And it fails miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Growing economy, security at home and abroad, Social Security reform Please...tell me what he did that was so wrong...I seriously need someone elses point of view 822890[/snapback] Well they are failing at the growing economy, the security at home seems to find loopholes everyday, social security reform has failed because its all bulls***. And to top it off, a war that should've never been waged. Thats the right wing agenda. And it fails miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. I dont understand what Rove should be apologizing for. I dont get it. Could someone explain it to me. 822881[/snapback] Rove played a huge part in getting Bush re-elected, and liberals hate Bush. Therefore liberals hate Rove. QED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 ?The Democratic leadership priority is to actively engage in the politics of division and distraction that can undermine our national security in favor of a left-wing agenda,? he said. I dont understand what Rove should be apologizing for. I dont get it. Could someone explain it to me. 822881[/snapback] Rove played a huge part in getting Bush re-elected, and liberals hate Bush. Therefore liberals hate Rove. QED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Karl Rove's comments aren't that far off considering it's always the liberals that are looking out for the best interests of and always complaining about the treatment of terrorists at military prisons. They are prisoners of war and enemy combatants, as long as the geneva convention is not violated, the liberals need to step back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Karl Rove's comments aren't that far off considering it's always the liberals that are looking out for the best interests of and always complaining about the treatment of terrorists at military prisons. They are prisoners of war and enemy combatants, as long as the geneva convention is not violated, the liberals need to step back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying_Mollusk Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Karl Rove's comments aren't that far off considering it's always the liberals that are looking out for the best interests of and always complaining about the treatment of terrorists at military prisons. They are prisoners of war and enemy combatants, as long as the geneva convention is not violated, the liberals need to step back. 823319[/snapback] Um am I wrong, or are they still not being classified as POWs and hence still not under the Geneva convention. I guess youre a weak in the knees liberal too accord for wanting to grant terrorists the Geneva convention rights. Why are you looking out for the best interests of the terrorists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying_Mollusk Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Karl Rove's comments aren't that far off considering it's always the liberals that are looking out for the best interests of and always complaining about the treatment of terrorists at military prisons. They are prisoners of war and enemy combatants, as long as the geneva convention is not violated, the liberals need to step back. 823319[/snapback] Um am I wrong, or are they still not being classified as POWs and hence still not under the Geneva convention. I guess youre a weak in the knees liberal too accord for wanting to grant terrorists the Geneva convention rights. Why are you looking out for the best interests of the terrorists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackarmstrong Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 the democrats are being hung with their own rope, by allowing the left wing to dominate the image of the party. instead of demanding rove to apologize, and thus reinforce the democrats-as-whiners image, they should get some viable alternatives out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackarmstrong Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 the democrats are being hung with their own rope, by allowing the left wing to dominate the image of the party. instead of demanding rove to apologize, and thus reinforce the democrats-as-whiners image, they should get some viable alternatives out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 The current attorney general of the United States, Alberto Gonzales, once said that he thought the Geneva Convention was outdated. Now, he's one of the highest ranking members of our government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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