NirvanaNole Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 He's owed $12.5 in 07 million and 08 with $6.5 million deferred each year. He has a $16.5 million club option in 09 with a $4 million buyout. If the Reds agreed to pay half his contract and the rest of his salary this year, would you take him and give up two pitching prospects like Johnson and someone else (maybe Tank)? If Vargas/Olsen work out, we won't have a place in the rotation for another rookie pitcher any time soon. The Reds need to trade one of Griffey/Dunn/Kearns and they need pitching prospects. Griffey lives in Orlando, so I'm sure his family would be happy about the deal. He'd have to agree to play RF with Pierre in CF, but I doubt that would bother him to be closer to home and have a chance to win a title. He obviously has injury issues, but he is playing great this season. Maybe he's finally healthy. 1. Pierre 2. Castillo 3. Delgado 4. Cabrera (3B) 5. Griffey (RF) 6. Enc (LF) 7. Lo Duca 8. Gonzo :mischief2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Griffey has no reason to move to RF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Where do you come up with this stuff? We can't afford AJ, but we'll acquire Griffey... :hat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 Where do you come up with this stuff? We can't afford AJ, but we'll acquire Griffey... :hat 858373[/snapback] Are you that bad with math? If we only had to pay for half of Griffey's contract, he'd cost less than what we owe Lowell. :blink: The Reds have a surplus of OF and need pitching prospects. If we acquire Penn and Olsen/Vargas pitch well, we'll have a surplus of young pitching prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Where do you come up with this stuff? We can't afford AJ, but we'll acquire Griffey... :hat 858373[/snapback] Are you that bad with math? If we only had to pay for half of Griffey's contract, he'd cost less than what we owe Lowell. :blink: The Reds have a surplus of OF and need pitching prospects. If we acquire Penn and Olsen/Vargas pitch well, we'll have a surplus of young pitching prospects. 858380[/snapback] Math isn't my strong suit, but I'd say I have a good grip on reality . There's no reason for them to deal Griffey and pay someone to take him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 Where do you come up with this stuff? We can't afford AJ, but we'll acquire Griffey... :hat 858373[/snapback] Are you that bad with math? If we only had to pay for half of Griffey's contract, he'd cost less than what we owe Lowell. :blink: The Reds have a surplus of OF and need pitching prospects. If we acquire Penn and Olsen/Vargas pitch well, we'll have a surplus of young pitching prospects. 858380[/snapback] Math isn't my strong suit, but I'd say I have a good grip on reality . There's no reason for them to deal Griffey and pay someone to take him... 858391[/snapback] They'd be paying for the prospects. Maybe trade them Johnson/Penn/Bigbie. Dunn is going to cost them about $8 million next year and their minor league pitching is pathetic from what I've read. They aren't going to win with the team they currently have. If Griffey didn't have injury issues, I agree they wouldn't trade him and pay part of his salary. But he isn't exactly reliable. I think you'll see the Reds trade one of Griffey/Dunn/Casey before the beginning of next year for pitching help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futureslugger Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 He's owed $12.5 in 07 million and 08 with $6.5 million deferred each year. He has a $16.5 million club option in 09 with a $4 million buyout. If the Reds agreed to pay half his contract and the rest of his salary this year, would you take him and give up two pitching prospects like Johnson and someone else (maybe Tank)? If Vargas/Olsen work out, we won't have a place in the rotation for another rookie pitcher any time soon. The Reds need to trade one of Griffey/Dunn/Kearns and they need pitching prospects. Griffey lives in Orlando, so I'm sure his family would be happy about the deal. He'd have to agree to play RF with Pierre in CF, but I doubt that would bother him to be closer to home and have a chance to win a title. He obviously has injury issues, but he is playing great this season. Maybe he's finally healthy. 1. Pierre 2. Castillo 3. Delgado 4. Cabrera (3B) 5. Griffey (RF) 6. Enc (LF) 7. Lo Duca 8. Gonzo :mischief2 858366[/snapback] :thumbdown no way i would hate for us to give up some of our prospects for someone like griffey who is always injured...now if we get dunn or pena or kearns then okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 after thinking about this, Im all for getting on the Griffey bandwagon he is back... if someway we could get the money to work, I would love to see a 3-4-5 of Delgado, Cabs, and Jr .290/.369/.548 21hr 64rbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMothman Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Would be a sweat tarde, but were asking for to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasecdt Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 after thinking about this, Im all for getting on the Griffey bandwagon he is back... if someway we could get the money to work, I would love to see a 3-4-5 of Delgado, Cabs, and Jr .290/.369/.548 21hr 64rbi 869256[/snapback] Man, that is an awsome idea. :thumbup I wonder why the Marlins aren't trying to do a deal with the Reds, because they really want pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishin2004 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 all you guys who say "he's back" have a real short memory. he hasn't played in more than 111 games in the last 4 seasons (2001-2004). Last season he played 83 games and then hurt himself again. this season? he's played in 89. Wow....he's made it to the same place he made it to last year before suffering his fourth consecutive season-ending injury. he's back, baby! trading for Griffey would be the most collossally stupid move this team could ever make. the best way to ensure that this team will not compete is to waste valuable payroll "taking a flyer" on a guy like Griffey. thankfully, the FO knows this, which is why they are desperate to deal Lowell even at the cost of taking a lesser deal for AJ. you might...MIGHT...see Griffey go to an NY team, just because they can afford to eat his salary if he gets hurt again. if we got him and he missed even half a season before the end of this deal, it would devastate this franchise, even if we only were paying him $6 million (which the Reds would of course never agree to anyhow). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Nothing suggests Grifey will accept a trade here. He's said he's comfortable in Cincinnati but willing to consider a move to a certain title contender. We can't offer him that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinivedivichi Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 IMO getting Griffey would be a huge risk. The guy can't jog out a homerun without getting injured. This is the longest stretch in 5 years he's been injury free. A 3 month injury free period doesn't have me convinced. As a small market club, the guys we pay the big bucks for have to pan out. It would suck for us to be on the hook for any part of his contract and have him riding the pine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinivedivichi Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 all you guys who say "he's back" have a real short memory. he hasn't played in more than 111 games in the last 4 seasons (2001-2004). Last season he played 83 games and then hurt himself again. this season? he's played in 89. Wow....he's made it to the same place he made it to last year before suffering his fourth consecutive season-ending injury. he's back, baby! trading for Griffey would be the most collossally stupid move this team could ever make. the best way to ensure that this team will not compete is to waste valuable payroll "taking a flyer" on a guy like Griffey. thankfully, the FO knows this, which is why they are desperate to deal Lowell even at the cost of taking a lesser deal for AJ. you might...MIGHT...see Griffey go to an NY team, just because they can afford to eat his salary if he gets hurt again. if we got him and he missed even half a season before the end of this deal, it would devastate this franchise, even if we only were paying him $6 million (which the Reds would of course never agree to anyhow). 869263[/snapback] You said it better than I did :notworthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Nothing suggests Grifey will accept a trade here. He's said he's comfortable in Cincinnati but willing to consider a move to a certain title contender. We can't offer him that. 869265[/snapback] but would we really not be considered a title contender with Griffey in the middle of our lineup with Cabrera and Delgado? Not to mention having Beckett and Willis leading the rotation....I wouldnt exactly call us chopped liver in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy42Jack0 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 but if griffey got hurt and beckett continues to get hurt, we would be absolutely screwed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Nothing suggests Grifey will accept a trade here. He's said he's comfortable in Cincinnati but willing to consider a move to a certain title contender. We can't offer him that. 869265[/snapback] Griffey said he wants to stop looking at his Daddy's rings, he wants one of his own also, he said he doesnt want to be far from his home in Orlando.... with him in our lineup, we are a title contender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eadearmas Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Nothing suggests Grifey will accept a trade here. He's said he's comfortable in Cincinnati but willing to consider a move to a certain title contender. We can't offer him that. 869265[/snapback] Griffey said he wants to stop looking at his Daddy's rings, he wants one of his own also, he said he doesnt want to be far from his home in Orlando.... with him in our lineup, we are a title contender 869326[/snapback] He wants to go to a team that will win it now... the Marlins right now are pretty far away from resembling anything like a contender... I would love to have him if he is healthy, but not at the expense of Lowell. The Reds don't need a 3B, they already have Joe Randa (is that his name?). It wouldn't make sense for them to have two 3rd basemen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eadearmas Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 also, he said he doesnt want to be far from his home in Orlando.... he might be aiming for Atlanta then... :cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Punisher Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 it would be stupid to see us trading our top lefty prospect in tank tankersley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Punisher Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Why do you guys want Pierre out, omg, you guys are soooo stupid, there is no way EVER we are getting rid of pierre, GOT IT? Damn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 it would be stupid to see us trading our top lefty prospect in tank tankersley. 869405[/snapback] he isnt our top lefty prospect Both Scott Olsen and Jason Vargas are ahead of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Why do you guys want Pierre out, omg, you guys are soooo stupid, there is no way EVER we are getting rid of pierre, GOT IT? Damn it. 869407[/snapback] omgomgomgomg :plain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugg Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 The Reds aren't going to pay half his contract for Tank and Johnson. They don't HAVE to trade him and I don't know why, at this point, anyone thinks the Reds are going to do anything. This is the same team that asked Kansas City for Zack Greinke when they inquired about Austin Kearns. The same team that asked for Jason Lane, Brandon Backe, Chris Burke, and Ezequiel Astactio when Houston inquired about Adam Dunn. They have the worst GM in baseball and to think that we're going to cruise in and get Griffey is insane. If we want them to pay half the contract, they're gonna ask for Vargas and Olsen both. And I wouldn't do that if they paid the whole damn salary. Furthermore, while he says now he's open to being traded to a contender, he's still apprehensive about it. So, to assume he'd come here is optimistic...and to assume he'd be willing to switch positions is VERY optimistic. He has a no trade and I have a hunch the second we said "we want you to play RF" he'd be like "pffffftttt, pass." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Hurt Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 There is no way that Jr. is coming over here... He said he would only go to a major contendor that need a CF... ex: Yankees, Angels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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