Posted August 29, 200519 yr Article INSIDE DISH: Manny could be gone in offseason By Ken Rosenthal - SportingNews Look for the Red Sox to finally trade LF Manny Ramirez this offseason. A thin free-agent market for sluggers will intensify the demand for Ramirez, and the Sox likely will be willing to pay some of the $57 million remaining on Ramirez's contract through 2008 and/or take back salary in return. The Mets, Marlins and Rangers are potential suitors for Ramirez. And don't rule out the Nationals under new ownership ? especially if Jim Bowden remains general manager. ... Rafael Furcal's second-half surge has solidified his position as the most attractive free-agent shortstop. The Cubs, Marlins, White Sox, Tigers, Diamondbacks and Nationals all could have interest in the Braves' mainstay, who offers a rare package of leadoff skills, basestealing ability and defensive prowess. The Braves likely will replace Furcal with Wilson Betemit while Tony Pena Jr. develops at Class AAA. ... Many around baseball expect the Blue Jays to make a major offseason push for Marlins free-agent RHP A.J. Burnett, who also figures to be a target of the Rangers, Tigers and several other clubs. Angels free-agent LHP Jarrod Washburn, a Wisconsin native who attended Wisconsin-Oshkosh, would be a natural for the Brewers but wouldn't necessarily be an upgrade over the team's two current lefty starters, Chris Capuano and Doug Davis. ... A National League general manager who plans to pursue Padres free-agent C Ramon Hernandez already is conceding Hernandez probably will end up with the Mets. The Angels' Bengie Molina also will be a free agent, and the Rangers' Rod Barajas and Reds' Jason LaRue could be available because of their rising salaries in arbitration. ... The Orioles lost to Angels RHP John Lackey on August 3 but were even more impressed with Lackey when they beat him 2-0 on August 25. "Where did 97 (mph) with the hammer come from?" 2B Brian Roberts asked, referring to Lackey's fastball and curve. ... The Mariners believe RHP Felix Hernandez will be their ace next season at age 20, enabling them to pursue a middle-of-the-rotation type this winter rather than a No. 1 starter. RHP Ryan Franklin, 32, likely will be traded or nontendered -- he's five years older than RHP Gil Meche with less impressive stuff. ... What has gotten into Tigers 1B Carlos Pena, who hit six home runs in his first five games after returning from Class AAA? "He's been humbled ? he has finally figured out that he doesn't have it figured out," says one A's coach who recalls Pena from his time with Oakland. "He has a different attitude. He's seeking information from all kinds of people. He's like a sponge now." It also helps that Pena is swinging through the ball instead of across it, the coach says. ... The Brewers, trying for their first winning season since 1992, resisted trading 3B Wes Helms to the Phillies. Helms, a righthanded hitter, could have been part of a first base platoon with Ryan Howard. But with Jeff Cirillo on the disabled list and Russell Branyan nursing a sore lower back, the Brewers couldn't afford to move a third baseman. ... Rookie Reds 3B Edwin Encarnacion began taking early fielding practice every day after interim manager Jerry Narron told him that Wade Boggs used to do the same. "I really believe when you get young guys to the big leagues, you better get it right from the beginning," Narron says. "If you don't, once guys get established, there's no going back."
August 29, 200519 yr The Red Sox better be willing to pay about 30 million of that for it to become good for our payroll.
August 29, 200519 yr Author The Red Sox better be willing to pay about 30 million of that for it to become good for our payroll. 920272[/snapback] Plus, wasn't the entire point of a Manny trade based around us dealing AJ? Who are we gonna trade exactly for Manny?
August 29, 200519 yr The Red Sox better be willing to pay about 30 million of that for it to become good for our payroll. 920272[/snapback] Plus, wasn't the entire point of a Manny trade based around us dealing AJ? Who are we gonna trade exactly for Manny? 920274[/snapback] Quick, easy, and simple answer: we aren't trading for Manny.
August 29, 200519 yr If we trade away Lowell and Enc's gone, we could have payroll and lineup space for Manny. Maybe I'm just dreaming though: cf - pierre 2b - casty 3b - cabs lf - manny 1b - delgado c - lo duca ss - agone rf - hermida holy f'n s***, cabs/manny/delgado, *creams myself*
August 29, 200519 yr Rosenthal (Beradino's boy) is just throwing stuff out there - he has no basis for these speculations.
August 29, 200519 yr Though I would love that line up and it would amaze me. cf - pierre 2b - casty 3b - cabs lf - manny 1b - delgado rf - hermida c - lo duca ss - agone I dont think with signing Gonzo back we could do it. Even if we were able to move lowell's salary. If they took a large chunk of it, (like 20 million of the 57 left) maybe then. But, they most likely would take 3 top quality prospects at least.
August 29, 200519 yr It may be hard to pull off, but I don't think it is as crazy as some of you probably do. Manny 06 - 19 million 07 - 18 million 08 - 20 million 09/10 - 20 club option (won't be picked up) 1 million bonus if traded (maybe Manny would waive this) Lowell 06 - 9 million 07 - 9 million Make them take the remaining 2M we owe Pudge and the money (3M?) we owe Leiter straight up for Manny's contract. If they want to get rid of his contract that bad and don't want top prospects in return, we could make it happen. I worry more about the Mets offering more than us being able to afford him. If we don't resign Gonzo and AJ, we could afford it. We'd basically be paying 19 million more the next two years for the large difference in production between Lowell and Manny. The only big obstacle is the 20 million in 08. To have Manny on the team, we could probably get Cabrera to sign a long term deal and have his lowest salary in the long term contract for 08. Also, Lo Duca's money (about 6.5 million each year the next two years) is off the books in 08. If Damon signs with another team, I'm sure they'd love to trade for Pierre. That could help secure them paying some of Manny's salary. 1. Pierre 2. Castillo 3. Cabrera 4. Delgado 5. Manny 6. Hermida 7. Lo Duca 8. Andino 1. Willis 2. Beckett 3. Vargas 4. Olsen 5. Moehler/Valdez/FA :thumbup
August 29, 200519 yr if we somehow got furcal n manny i think wed automatically solidify a spot in the NLCS.
August 29, 200519 yr I think you guys need to keep in mind that after this season, a good $13 Million comes off the books for Hampton and Pudge... Now I'm sure some of that has already been reserved for the Delgado fund, but I guarantee Lowell is in any deal we make for Ramirez, therefore freeing up some money. Hermida is set to make near the league minimum for the next three years, which is the same amount of time we'll HAVE Manny, which means we free up another $4 Million there from Encarnacion. Let's put it this way: Jeffrey Loria and Admin Beinfest have suprised us time and time again...
August 29, 200519 yr I think you guys need to keep in mind that after this season, a good $13 Million comes off the books for Hampton and Pudge... Now I'm sure some of that has already been reserved for the Delgado fund, but I guarantee Lowell is in any deal we make for Ramirez, therefore freeing up some money. Hermida is set to make near the league minimum for the next three years, which is the same amount of time we'll HAVE Manny, which means we free up another $4 Million there from Encarnacion. Let's put it this way: Jeffrey Loria and Admin Beinfest have suprised us time and time again... 920390[/snapback] I agree with your point, but I believe we owe Pudge two more million next year. Freeing AJ/Enc/Conine/Gonzo/Lowell (he'd be in the trade) opens up enough to take on Manny's contract and sign Willis/Beckett to long term deals, IMO. If we keep both Olsen/Vargas and start Hermida and Andino, that is 4 cheap starters for the 3 years we'd have Manny. Also, Lo Duca only has two years left on his contract. The real issue is if we could trade for Manny and sign a proven veteran pitcher (Weaver, Millwood, etc.) to help stabilize our starting rotation with Olsen/Vargas being so young.
August 29, 200519 yr I think you guys need to keep in mind that after this season, a good $13 Million comes off the books for Hampton and Pudge... Now I'm sure some of that has already been reserved for the Delgado fund, but I guarantee Lowell is in any deal we make for Ramirez, therefore freeing up some money. Hermida is set to make near the league minimum for the next three years, which is the same amount of time we'll HAVE Manny, which means we free up another $4 Million there from Encarnacion. Let's put it this way: Jeffrey Loria and Admin Beinfest have suprised us time and time again... 920390[/snapback] I agree with your point, but I believe we owe Pudge two more million next year. Freeing AJ/Enc/Conine/Gonzo/Lowell (he'd be in the trade) opens up enough to take on Manny's contract and sign Willis/Beckett to long term deals, IMO. If we keep both Olsen/Vargas and start Hermida and Andino, that is 4 cheap starters for the 3 years we'd have Manny. Also, Lo Duca only has two years left on his contract. The real issue is if we could trade for Manny and sign a proven veteran pitcher (Weaver, Millwood, etc.) to help stabilize our starting rotation with Olsen/Vargas being so young. 920394[/snapback] I think if we were part of this deal that it would cost us more then just lowell all. With lowell being shipped off and Damon being a FA. I think it might be a deal for Lowell and Pierre. Now if you could send off Lowell and pierre and get back Manny with a bit of cash? Toss in another one prospect being sent to them. Then I could see us go with SS Furcal 2nd Castillo 3B Cabrera 1B Delgado LF Manny RF Hermida C Lo Duca CF ??????? (Reed? Do we have another possible CF Or could Hermida play it?) SP D-Train SP Beckett SP Crow SP Johnson/Tank?/Moheler/Cheap signee perhaps K Brown SP Olsen Am I too crazy perhaps on this for salary wise?
August 29, 200519 yr could Aguila play CF? and I dont see Furcal coming here unless Pierre leaves and Gonzo would obviously be gone as well.
August 29, 200519 yr I think you guys need to keep in mind that after this season, a good $13 Million comes off the books for Hampton and Pudge... Now I'm sure some of that has already been reserved for the Delgado fund, but I guarantee Lowell is in any deal we make for Ramirez, therefore freeing up some money. Hermida is set to make near the league minimum for the next three years, which is the same amount of time we'll HAVE Manny, which means we free up another $4 Million there from Encarnacion. Let's put it this way: Jeffrey Loria and Admin Beinfest have suprised us time and time again... 920390[/snapback] I agree with your point, but I believe we owe Pudge two more million next year. Freeing AJ/Enc/Conine/Gonzo/Lowell (he'd be in the trade) opens up enough to take on Manny's contract and sign Willis/Beckett to long term deals, IMO. If we keep both Olsen/Vargas and start Hermida and Andino, that is 4 cheap starters for the 3 years we'd have Manny. Also, Lo Duca only has two years left on his contract. The real issue is if we could trade for Manny and sign a proven veteran pitcher (Weaver, Millwood, etc.) to help stabilize our starting rotation with Olsen/Vargas being so young. 920394[/snapback] I think if we were part of this deal that it would cost us more then just lowell all. With lowell being shipped off and Damon being a FA. I think it might be a deal for Lowell and Pierre. Now if you could send off Lowell and pierre and get back Manny with a bit of cash? Toss in another one prospect being sent to them. Then I could see us go with SS Furcal 2nd Castillo 3B Cabrera 1B Delgado LF Manny RF Hermida C Lo Duca CF ??????? (Reed? Do we have another possible CF Or could Hermida play it?) SP D-Train SP Beckett SP Crow SP Johnson/Tank?/Moheler/Cheap signee perhaps K Brown SP Olsen Am I too crazy perhaps on this for salary wise? 920410[/snapback] why in the hell would we want kevin brown.
August 29, 200519 yr I think you guys need to keep in mind that after this season, a good $13 Million comes off the books for Hampton and Pudge... Now I'm sure some of that has already been reserved for the Delgado fund, but I guarantee Lowell is in any deal we make for Ramirez, therefore freeing up some money. Hermida is set to make near the league minimum for the next three years, which is the same amount of time we'll HAVE Manny, which means we free up another $4 Million there from Encarnacion. Let's put it this way: Jeffrey Loria and Admin Beinfest have suprised us time and time again... 920390[/snapback] I agree with your point, but I believe we owe Pudge two more million next year. Freeing AJ/Enc/Conine/Gonzo/Lowell (he'd be in the trade) opens up enough to take on Manny's contract and sign Willis/Beckett to long term deals, IMO. If we keep both Olsen/Vargas and start Hermida and Andino, that is 4 cheap starters for the 3 years we'd have Manny. Also, Lo Duca only has two years left on his contract. The real issue is if we could trade for Manny and sign a proven veteran pitcher (Weaver, Millwood, etc.) to help stabilize our starting rotation with Olsen/Vargas being so young. 920394[/snapback] I think if we were part of this deal that it would cost us more then just lowell all. With lowell being shipped off and Damon being a FA. I think it might be a deal for Lowell and Pierre. Now if you could send off Lowell and pierre and get back Manny with a bit of cash? Toss in another one prospect being sent to them. Then I could see us go with SS Furcal 2nd Castillo 3B Cabrera 1B Delgado LF Manny RF Hermida C Lo Duca CF ??????? (Reed? Do we have another possible CF Or could Hermida play it?) SP D-Train SP Beckett SP Crow SP Johnson/Tank?/Moheler/Cheap signee perhaps K Brown SP Olsen Am I too crazy perhaps on this for salary wise? 920410[/snapback] why in the hell would we want kevin brown. 920417[/snapback] A cheap older veteran that when he is healthy could be solid with our defense and the ballpark. Plus facing NL hitting is better then AL east hitting. Perhaps Wiley could work with him. Good suggest of Aguila to whomever suggested him. That is a definite possibility. I forgot all about him, but yes he could play CF.
August 29, 200519 yr I think you guys need to keep in mind that after this season, a good $13 Million comes off the books for Hampton and Pudge... Now I'm sure some of that has already been reserved for the Delgado fund, but I guarantee Lowell is in any deal we make for Ramirez, therefore freeing up some money. Hermida is set to make near the league minimum for the next three years, which is the same amount of time we'll HAVE Manny, which means we free up another $4 Million there from Encarnacion. Let's put it this way: Jeffrey Loria and Admin Beinfest have suprised us time and time again... 920390[/snapback] I agree with your point, but I believe we owe Pudge two more million next year. Freeing AJ/Enc/Conine/Gonzo/Lowell (he'd be in the trade) opens up enough to take on Manny's contract and sign Willis/Beckett to long term deals, IMO. If we keep both Olsen/Vargas and start Hermida and Andino, that is 4 cheap starters for the 3 years we'd have Manny. Also, Lo Duca only has two years left on his contract. The real issue is if we could trade for Manny and sign a proven veteran pitcher (Weaver, Millwood, etc.) to help stabilize our starting rotation with Olsen/Vargas being so young. 920394[/snapback] I think if we were part of this deal that it would cost us more then just lowell all. With lowell being shipped off and Damon being a FA. I think it might be a deal for Lowell and Pierre. Now if you could send off Lowell and pierre and get back Manny with a bit of cash? Toss in another one prospect being sent to them. Then I could see us go with SS Furcal 2nd Castillo 3B Cabrera 1B Delgado LF Manny RF Hermida C Lo Duca CF ??????? (Reed? Do we have another possible CF Or could Hermida play it?) SP D-Train SP Beckett SP Crow SP Johnson/Tank?/Moheler/Cheap signee perhaps K Brown SP Olsen Am I too crazy perhaps on this for salary wise? 920410[/snapback] why in the hell would we want kevin brown. 920417[/snapback] A cheap older veteran that when he is healthy could be solid with our defense and the ballpark. Plus facing NL hitting is better then AL east hitting. Perhaps Wiley could work with him. Good suggest of Aguila to whomever suggested him. That is a definite possibility. I forgot all about him, but yes he could play CF. 920419[/snapback] when was the last time he was healthy?? he hasn't been since he's been in NY the last two years. he wasn't the last couple years in LA. and how old is he now...pushing 40 if not older? its not worth it. its worse than an al leiter deal.
August 29, 200519 yr I think you guys need to keep in mind that after this season, a good $13 Million comes off the books for Hampton and Pudge... Now I'm sure some of that has already been reserved for the Delgado fund, but I guarantee Lowell is in any deal we make for Ramirez, therefore freeing up some money. Hermida is set to make near the league minimum for the next three years, which is the same amount of time we'll HAVE Manny, which means we free up another $4 Million there from Encarnacion. Let's put it this way: Jeffrey Loria and Admin Beinfest have suprised us time and time again... 920390[/snapback] I agree with your point, but I believe we owe Pudge two more million next year. Freeing AJ/Enc/Conine/Gonzo/Lowell (he'd be in the trade) opens up enough to take on Manny's contract and sign Willis/Beckett to long term deals, IMO. If we keep both Olsen/Vargas and start Hermida and Andino, that is 4 cheap starters for the 3 years we'd have Manny. Also, Lo Duca only has two years left on his contract. The real issue is if we could trade for Manny and sign a proven veteran pitcher (Weaver, Millwood, etc.) to help stabilize our starting rotation with Olsen/Vargas being so young. 920394[/snapback] I think if we were part of this deal that it would cost us more then just lowell all. With lowell being shipped off and Damon being a FA. I think it might be a deal for Lowell and Pierre. Now if you could send off Lowell and pierre and get back Manny with a bit of cash? Toss in another one prospect being sent to them. Then I could see us go with SS Furcal 2nd Castillo 3B Cabrera 1B Delgado LF Manny RF Hermida C Lo Duca CF ??????? (Reed? Do we have another possible CF Or could Hermida play it?) SP D-Train SP Beckett SP Crow SP Johnson/Tank?/Moheler/Cheap signee perhaps K Brown SP Olsen Am I too crazy perhaps on this for salary wise? 920410[/snapback] FURCAL HAS NO PLACE WHATSOEVER ON THIS TEAM!! With Delgado covering first it would be a defensive nightmare. Trade Lowell and Pierre, get Manny, if AJ signs away sign Weaver. Stick Aguila in CF since he is more than capable of fielding that position, plus he still makes close to the league minimum. Get at least half of Lowells money gone. Easley, Willingham, Treanor, 2 vetern defensive replacements to fill out the bench(once again, I will say the always versatile lefty John Mabry). Or call up Josh Wilson so we wont have Easley butchering us at SS at every available opportunity or Joe Dillon. Gonzo will take a discount to stay here just to stay with Luiy, might even take the exact same contract. Mota is arby eligable, Villone is back, Alfonseca has an option...resign Jones, Messenger might be earning his shot right now, and Resop is hign on everyones lists...just sign someone else who can get the job done to finish rounding it out like Ryan Voglesong. That is a lineup of 2B-Castillo RF-Hermida LF-Manny 3B-Castillo \----------------Flip flop 1B-Delgado/----------------if necessary C-Lo Duca CF-Aguila SS-Seabass SP-D-Train SP-Big Tex SP-Olsen SP-Weaver SP-Crow Bench of Easley, Teanor, Willingham, Mabry/Wilson/Dillon Bullpen of Mota, Jones, Alfonseca, Villone, Resop, Messenger, and another cheapy, lets say Voglesong for intentions sake. Hermida, Aguila, Willingham, Treanor, Willis, Cabrera, Wilson or Dillon, Vargas, Olsen, Resop, Messenger, and Voglesong are all at or barely over league minimum...Mabry and Easley will be around $800 K...so thats 14 players in the $5-6 million range, thats roughly half the roster. Thats over half the roster. Luiy, Seabass, and Lo Duca add $14 Million to payroll, so thats $20 million for 17 players...Weaver, Big Tex, Mota, Jones, Alfonseca, Villone add up to roughly $17 million, so thats $37 million for 23 players...Delgado and Manny is where the big $$ come in at around $32 milion, making base payroll $69 million. Add in $6 million for Pudge and Lowell's salary and thats $75 million in payroll. Or, get the Red Sox to take half of Mannys salary($10 million), and that brings payroll down to a total of $65 million. Not far off from this year.
August 29, 200519 yr Meh, I'd rather keep AJ and sign Brian Giles before delving into this Manny fiasco. And if we're talking free-agent short-stops, why not Nomar on a one year deal as a place-holder for Andino and a potential offensive upgrade (if he's healthy).
August 29, 200519 yr That is a lineup of 2B-Castillo RF-Hermida LF-Manny 3B-Castillo \----------------Flip flop 1B-Delgado/----------------if necessary C-Lo Duca CF-Aguila SS-Seabass Im guessing the Marlins will trade Miguel Cabrera for Jose Castillo, then place him at 2B and move Luis Castillo to 3B and have him clean up? Not bad!! 2006 World Champs!
August 29, 200519 yr The whole reason the Red Sox would deal Manny is to get some money freed up and to get some young talent. Why would they swallow Lowell and his crappy numbers?
August 29, 200519 yr That is a lineup of 2B-Castillo RF-Hermida LF-Manny 3B-Castillo \----------------Flip flop 1B-Delgado/----------------if necessary C-Lo Duca CF-Aguila SS-Seabass Im guessing the Marlins will trade Miguel Cabrera for Jose Castillo, then place him at 2B and move Luis Castillo to 3B and have him clean up? Not bad!! 2006 World Champs! 920505[/snapback] Whoops I type faster than I think every now and then... 2B-Castillo RF-Hermida LF-Manny 3B-Cabrera \----------------Flip flop 1B-Delgado /----------------if necessary C-Lo Duca CF-Aguila SS-Seabass
August 29, 200519 yr The whole reason the Red Sox would deal Manny is to get some money freed up and to get some young talent. Why would they swallow Lowell and his crappy numbers? 920508[/snapback] Because they'd probably be getting Juan Pierre to go along with him. But, yes, this scenario is beyond unlikely.
August 29, 200519 yr The whole reason the Red Sox would deal Manny is to get some money freed up and to get some young talent. Why would they swallow Lowell and his crappy numbers? 920508[/snapback] Because they'd probably be getting Juan Pierre to go along with him. But, yes, this scenario is beyond unlikely. 920511[/snapback] Even though I dont think they will re-sign him, the Red Sox are getting ready to lay down their offer to Johnny Damon. Juan Pierre is not a AL or Red Sock type player and that would be a serious downgrade.
August 29, 200519 yr JESUS GUYS!!!! THE SEASON ISN'T EVEN OVER AND YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT GIVING PEOPLE AWAY FOR MANY RAMIREZ!?! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS.... WILL YOU JUST CHEER ON THE TEAM WE HAVE CAUSE FORM VIEW WE'RE GETTING BETTER AND KEEP SEEING GUYS PLAYING BETTER...PLEASE LET THIS STUPID POST DIE!!!!
August 29, 200519 yr Good suggest of Aguila to whomever suggested him. That is a definite possibility. I forgot all about him, but yes he could play CF. 920419[/snapback] gracias :thumbup
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