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Poor guy...I know he did a stupid thing when he was younger, but I guess he'll never truly be innocent. I really did feel bad when he had to go through this whole mess...

 

Detectives found the missing .357 Magnum revolver officials once accused Lionel Tate of using to rob a pizza delivery driver in May, according to the Broward Sheriff's Office.

 

It turns out North Miami police had the gun tucked in an evidence locker since October 2004 -- more than six months before Tate was accused of using it in the pizza heist at a Pembroke Park apartment.

 

 

That means Tate, the teen on probation for killing his 6-year-old playmate when he was 12, couldn't have used that particular revolver in the May 23 robbery, Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Leljedal said Thursday.

 

Police seized the gun after the Oct. 30 traffic stop, and later may have connected a passenger in the car to one of Tate's former neighbors, Tate's lawyer said.

 

A North Miami police report detailing the revolver's whereabouts was included in documents describing the evidence in Tate's case that was released Thursday by the Broward State Attorney's Office.

 

It's another twist in a legal saga that could put Tate, now 18, back in prison for violating his probation.

 

Tate's attorney, H. Dohn Williams, downplayed the details Thursday, saying that he wasn't entirely sure that revolver found in North Miami was one of the three guns that had gone missing from the closet of Tate's mother, Kathleen Grossett-Tate, a Florida Highway Patrol trooper and a U.S. Army reservist.

 

Besides, Williams said, a Taurus .357 Magnum revolver completely different than the gun that the victim described, a .38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver. Williams declined to make sweeping characterizations about the case.

 

"I'm just sifting through the evidence piece by piece," he said.

 

Investigators do think they found the missing revolver, and that it wasn't used in the robbery, said Leljedal, who declined to speculate about the effect on the case.

 

Prosecutor Chuck Morton could not be reached for comment.

 

Also included in Thursday's documents was the full transcript of text messages sent between cell phones that belonged to Tate and a 16-year-old also suspected in the robbery.

 

At times, the messages from Tate's phone seemed to be egging the 16-year-old to commit the crime. Then, about an hour before someone ordered the four pizzas that day, a message from Tate's phone included the number to Domino's and the text: "Call this # 4me."

 

Tate, who was charged last week with a misdemeanor for breaking a window in his cell in the Broward County Jail, is scheduled to appear in court again Oct. 17. He is awaiting trial on the robbery charge.

 

The assertion that the robber used a revolver in the May robbery came from the pizza delivery driver, Walter Gallardo, who said he was a police officer in his native Peru.

 

Gallardo, 44, told police and the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that when he brought four pies to a Pembroke Park apartment that day, a masked man jumped from behind a door and stuck a gun in his face. He recognized the weapon as a revolver because he said he saw the cylinder that holds bullets.

 

Gallardo ran, dropping the pizzas, and police arrested Tate outside the apartment. That night, Tate's mother noticed that three weapons were missing from her closet, one of which was a revolver that the Sheriff's Office said loosely matched the description of the gun used in the robbery.

 

Williams pointed out, however, that Gallardo could differentiate between a .357 Magnum and .38 Smith & Wesson because he carried the latter as a police officer and knew the weapon well.

 

Regardless, Leljedal said that it was now clear that the .357 Magnum was not used in the crime.

 

Grossett-Tate declined to comment Thursday. Investigators found her 9 mm Taurus semi-automatic handgun on June 23 in a white plastic bag next to a house in the 2600 block of Mayo Street in Hollywood.

 

"Two of the three guns have now been recovered," Leljedal said. Grossett-Tate's service weapon, a .40-caliber Beretta, is missing.

what a dumbass...

 

He's been given too many chances already. More than anybody else would get considering his past.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sou...-home-headlines

 

Poor guy...I know he did a stupid thing when he was younger, but I guess he'll never truly be innocent. I really did feel bad when he had to go through this whole mess...

 

Detectives found the missing .357 Magnum revolver officials once accused Lionel Tate of using to rob a pizza delivery driver in May, according to the Broward Sheriff's Office.

 

It turns out North Miami police had the gun tucked in an evidence locker since October 2004 -- more than six months before Tate was accused of using it in the pizza heist at a Pembroke Park apartment.

 

 

That means Tate, the teen on probation for killing his 6-year-old playmate when he was 12, couldn't have used that particular revolver in the May 23 robbery, Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Leljedal said Thursday.

 

Police seized the gun after the Oct. 30 traffic stop, and later may have connected a passenger in the car to one of Tate's former neighbors, Tate's lawyer said.

 

A North Miami police report detailing the revolver's whereabouts was included in documents describing the evidence in Tate's case that was released Thursday by the Broward State Attorney's Office.

 

It's another twist in a legal saga that could put Tate, now 18, back in prison for violating his probation.

 

Tate's attorney, H. Dohn Williams, downplayed the details Thursday, saying that he wasn't entirely sure that revolver found in North Miami was one of the three guns that had gone missing from the closet of Tate's mother, Kathleen Grossett-Tate, a Florida Highway Patrol trooper and a U.S. Army reservist.

 

Besides, Williams said, a Taurus .357 Magnum revolver completely different than the gun that the victim described, a .38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver. Williams declined to make sweeping characterizations about the case.

 

"I'm just sifting through the evidence piece by piece," he said.

 

Investigators do think they found the missing revolver, and that it wasn't used in the robbery, said Leljedal, who declined to speculate about the effect on the case.

 

Prosecutor Chuck Morton could not be reached for comment.

 

Also included in Thursday's documents was the full transcript of text messages sent between cell phones that belonged to Tate and a 16-year-old also suspected in the robbery.

 

At times, the messages from Tate's phone seemed to be egging the 16-year-old to commit the crime. Then, about an hour before someone ordered the four pizzas that day, a message from Tate's phone included the number to Domino's and the text: "Call this # 4me."

 

Tate, who was charged last week with a misdemeanor for breaking a window in his cell in the Broward County Jail, is scheduled to appear in court again Oct. 17. He is awaiting trial on the robbery charge.

 

The assertion that the robber used a revolver in the May robbery came from the pizza delivery driver, Walter Gallardo, who said he was a police officer in his native Peru.

 

Gallardo, 44, told police and the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that when he brought four pies to a Pembroke Park apartment that day, a masked man jumped from behind a door and stuck a gun in his face. He recognized the weapon as a revolver because he said he saw the cylinder that holds bullets.

 

Gallardo ran, dropping the pizzas, and police arrested Tate outside the apartment. That night, Tate's mother noticed that three weapons were missing from her closet, one of which was a revolver that the Sheriff's Office said loosely matched the description of the gun used in the robbery.

 

Williams pointed out, however, that Gallardo could differentiate between a .357 Magnum and .38 Smith & Wesson because he carried the latter as a police officer and knew the weapon well.

 

Regardless, Leljedal said that it was now clear that the .357 Magnum was not used in the crime.

 

Grossett-Tate declined to comment Thursday. Investigators found her 9 mm Taurus semi-automatic handgun on June 23 in a white plastic bag next to a house in the 2600 block of Mayo Street in Hollywood.

 

"Two of the three guns have now been recovered," Leljedal said. Grossett-Tate's service weapon, a .40-caliber Beretta, is missing.

 

Yeah I wish everyone would lay off him and give him a break for mudering a 6 year old girl , getting a second chance after getting his life sentenced commuted , than getting a third chance after breaking his probation by being oout at 2 or 3 in the morning with a weapon , and now this maybe he is guilty maybe he is not that has to be proven what is a fact is this as?hole has had so many chances to get it together and hasnt . He deserves to be in jail and you need to think before posting this garbage I wonder if it was your 6 year old sister , or daughter if you would feel bad for the guy . Other than the whole killing thing he seems like a nice guy

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He was 13 when he killed the little girl. Everyone deserves a second chance at that age.

 

You don't even know his background or how he grew up. I'm not justifying what he's done, but it's obvious he wasn't a part of this 'pizza heist'.

He was 13 when he killed the little girl. Everyone deserves a second chance at that age.

 

You don't even know his background or how he grew up. I'm not justifying what he's done, but it's obvious he wasn't a part of this 'pizza heist'.

 

 

Actually i am aware of his background . Does everyone deserve a 4th or 5th chance ? You are ignoring his previous incidents in which he recieved several slaps on the wrists after recieving a break for killing that little girl; . He has had too many opportunities and is a dangerous risk. What is sad is that your wasting energy focusing on poor Lionel Tate's convict evil as? and havent mentioned that you feel bad for his victim. A little girl is dead at the hands of Tate and I am supposed to feel for him and all the legal troubles he has gotten himself into....Dont think so ! I feel bad for the parents of the little girl killed and i feel bad for everyone he has hurt .

 

And to your other misguided point the article you posted proves absolutely nothing , I can't say whether Tate is guilty of this crime or not that is for a judge and jury to decide , but several guns missing ok wrong gun so what ? The text message still links the Child Murder to the crime scene and if the pizza guy says it was tate than the case has not been disproven . I'll wait for all the facts but at the very least Tate is a prime suspect and an AS?HOLE who deserves to spend a significant time in jail .

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He was 13 when he killed the little girl. Everyone deserves a second chance at that age.

 

You don't even know his background or how he grew up. I'm not justifying what he's done, but it's obvious he wasn't a part of this 'pizza heist'.

 

 

Actually i am aware of his background . Does everyone deserve a 4th or 5th chance ? You are ignoring his previous incidents in which he recieved several slaps on the wrists after recieving a break for killing that little girl; . He has had too many opportunities and is a dangerous risk. What is sad is that your wasting energy focusing on poor Lionel Tate's convict evil as? and havent mentioned that you feel bad for his victim. A little girl is dead at the hands of Tate and I am supposed to feel for him and all the legal troubles he has gotten himself into....Dont think so ! I feel bad for the parents of the little girl killed and i feel bad for everyone he has hurt .

 

And to your other misguided point the article you posted proves absolutely nothing , I can't say whether Tate is guilty of this crime or not that is for a judge and jury to decide , but several guns missing ok wrong gun so what ? The text message still links the Child Murder to the crime scene and if the pizza guy says it was tate than the case has not been disproven . I'll wait for all the facts but at the very least Tate is a prime suspect and an AS?HOLE who deserves to spend a significant time in jail .

 

Um....Tate WAS NOT INVOLVED in the pizza incident. He happened to be in the area, and you KNOW that someone tried to 'persuade' the pizza boy into believing it was Tate b/c of his background.

 

And I'm not wasting my energy on anyone--just posting an article and my opinion.

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