rferry Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article...e2005&fext=.jsp 2B/SS options: Willie Harris, Junior Spivey, Bo Hart CF/LF options: Eric Byrnes, Jamal Strong, Alex Escobar, Endy Chavez C options: Mike Rose, Jason Phillips, Mike Mahoney, (edit: Miguel Olivo) RP options: Chad Bradford, Wes Obermueller, Dan Kolb and former Devil Rays Carter, Borowski and Miller.  Harris please. Escobar and Bradford too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Thanks for posting that. Too bad Patterson wasn't non-tendered. Bradford'll probably make more money than we're willing to spend, but Kolb, Escobar and Borowski could be worth looks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 We need a LF...why not Byrnes? I doubt he'd make too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorsfortheMarlins Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 i like byrnes...not bad numbers in 2004...if he is willing to take a big pay cut it is worth a look but that isnt likely stats: SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS 2004 Oak 143 569 91 161 39 3 20 73 46 111 17 1 .283 .347 .467 .814 he is the only position player besides phillips that i would consider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 We gave $1.5 mil to Moe, I think if Byrnes contract doesnt shoot up he should be attainable...actually I think we should offer him 20% less. And why do people want Phillips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimopain Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Eric Byrnes needs to happen. That guy is awesome. Not the best numbers of any outfielder, but he gives 110% and he carried Oakland in 2004. I'd be delighted if we got him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 how about the former top prospect Alex Escobar? I could live with Spivey at 2b too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Pleeeease bring me Oby! /homer  I'm guessing I'm one of the few that actually likes Endy Chavez. He's basically Gathright but with a cannon of an OF arm. I know he doesn't know how to draw a walk.. but I just remember him going off on us in '04. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted December 21, 2005 Author Share Posted December 21, 2005 Chavez is a better option than Gathright. I really want Harris. He's still somewhat young, gives league-average on-base abaility and plays all three positions in the middle of the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 What about Miguel Olivo? I think that could be the best option on the list... especially working with Girardi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 The reason I like Phillips (which is not to say he's a great catcher) is because he's got the right defensive tools for a young team and he's had enough major league experience (three full seasons in the NL, knows batter's tendencies etc.) to be an asset who doesn't need on the job training the way others mentioned do. I'm not saying he's the second coming of Pudge Fisk or Johnny Bench, but if the Marlins really want to give Willingham a shot at learning the position, Phillips is a guy who can be platooned and not be a detriment to the team while he's out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malman Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Thanks for posting Rferry...great info. Willie Harris would be a good fit at second. Escobar is an intriguing option. Byrnes & Phillips seem like solids pros. I'm not sold on Chavez...I'd much rather have Gathright (if it doesn't cost us Olson). meh...on the arms...although Josh Fogg does have strong local ties. How about Dewon? Perhaps spending some time with Dontrelle might set him straight...might be worth a gamble. :mischief2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins R #1 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 OLIVO The man has power and working with Girardi could really help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinatPenn Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Jamal Strong is fast and an above-average defender... might be a good backup plan for Gathright! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Jamal Strong is fast and an above-average defender... might be a good backup plan for Gathright!  ...and he was suspended last season for steroid use. One has to wonder why a kid this young with the good numbers he's put up was cut unless the back story isn't pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanks1212 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Byrnes and a reliever or two would be great. If the Marlins want to pick up a middle infielder as well, I'm fine with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 The only one that I really like is Escobar. He was a super prospect at one time. You never know. Some of these kids develop later than most. Jose Guillen was a super prospect for the Pirates at one point, and basically became a journeymen until he had a breakout year in Cincy. We have nothing to lose with giving a young player a shot. Besides, I think he can handle the job defensively, and has a great arm. Byrnes can be a stop gap player but I'm sure he will want to go to a competitve team. By the way... OLVIO.. SUCKS!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moneyball Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 JA-SON-PHI-LLIPS! *clap clap clapclapclap* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 JA-SON-PHI-LLIPS! *clap clap clapclapclap*  And honestly, in your opinion...what makes Phillips a better option than Treanor, who will no doubt be a cheaper option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moneyball Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 JA-SON-PHI-LLIPS! *clap clap clapclapclap*  And honestly, in your opinion...what makes Phillips a better option than Treanor, who will no doubt be a cheaper option? CHECK-THE-STATS! *clap clap clapclapclap* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 And the stats say what? Phillips is marginially better with the bat while equal with the glove? And more expensive. I dont see why people want something we already have, Phillips=Treanor. I'd rather have John Baker as the backup catcher if thats the reasoning, he could be better defensively and put up the same #s at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moneyball Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 And the stats say what? Phillips is marginially better with the bat while equal with the glove? And more expensive. I dont see why people want something we already have, Phillips=Treanor. I'd rather have John Baker as the backup catcher if thats the reasoning, he could be better defensively and put up the same #s at the plate.  Please, you make it seem like Phillips is going to make millions. The difference between the two will be almost nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 And the stats say what? Phillips is marginially better with the bat while equal with the glove? And more expensive. I dont see why people want something we already have, Phillips=Treanor. I'd rather have John Baker as the backup catcher if thats the reasoning, he could be better defensively and put up the same #s at the plate.  Please, you make it seem like Phillips is going to make millions. The difference between the two will be almost nothing. Kind of like the difference in their stats huh? Almost nothing. Not enough to warrant taking one over the other.  Neither Treanor or Phillips are very good, and Phillips would not help this team in ANY WAY. He might be worse back there because of the high amount of steals he allows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moneyball Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 And the stats say what? Phillips is marginially better with the bat while equal with the glove? And more expensive. I dont see why people want something we already have, Phillips=Treanor. I'd rather have John Baker as the backup catcher if thats the reasoning, he could be better defensively and put up the same #s at the plate.  Please, you make it seem like Phillips is going to make millions. The difference between the two will be almost nothing. Kind of like the difference in their stats huh? Almost nothing. Not enough to warrant taking one over the other.  Neither Treanor or Phillips are very good, and Phillips would not help this team in ANY WAY. He might be worse back there because of the high amount of steals he allows. I'd say a difference of (all career numbers) 42 points in BA, 17 in OBP, and a whopping 116 in SLG% is a big deal when you consider how crappy the catching market is. I'd prefer to try him over Matt "Let Me Call 7 Straight Fastballs" Treanor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins97+03WC Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 The Nationals and Alex Escobar have agreed to a minor-league contract. Washington was able to remove him from their 40-man roster. He did not play last year due to a strained right quadriceps. Dec. 21 - 2:10 pm et Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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