Arnie1941 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I'm not prone to get ahead of reality (certainly not in terms of next Season's roster) but I understand that after the last Season game and before the play-offs the Marlins have to present a 25 player roster for the Play-Offs. I'm not genius enough to figure that out but I'd appreciate your thoughts. Some spots may well go to the last minute. But. it will be fun watching McKeon's player-use in light of what our forum users predict. Thanks. (We certainly can assume current starters plus Lowell, Redmond, Mordecai, Fox, Banks, Castro. That's 14. Add Harris and Williams. 16. Leaves 9. All pitchers? That's 5 starters and 4 relievers, or 4 starters and 5 relievers.) Huh? (Maybe Harris or Williams needs to be reconsidered. Fox can't be because it would leave us with only one back-up infielder and, in a pinch he could play outfield.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Gator Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 A lot can change because of injuries (will Penny be okay? will Lowell be ready?) My guess ... The starters (8): Rodriguez, Lee, Castillo, Gonzalez, Lowell, Cabrera, Pierre, Encarnacion The sure thing pitchers (8): Redman, Beckett, Willis, Penny, Pavano, Urbina, Looper, Tejera The reserve position players (7): Castro, Redmond, Conine, Andy Fox, Mordecai, Harris, Hollandsworth Rounding out the bullpen (2): Bump, Chad Fox On the sidelines (6): Banks, G.Williams, Helling, Neal, Olsen, Phelps If Penny is out, I'd go with Helling. If we need another position player, I'd go with Banks over Williams. Banks is a switch-hitter and he spent the entire year with the major league team, unlike Williams. Am I forgetting anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie1941 Posted September 13, 2003 Author Share Posted September 13, 2003 83Gator, What does your "on the sidelines" mean? With those six you are up to 31 roster players. (And you included Phelps who will not be available.) And I do agree that Banks is more valuable than Williams. (And more than Harris.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Gator Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 83Gator, What does your "on the sidelines" mean? By "on the sidelines" I mean "not on the playoff roster." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 all i am going to say about harris is this.... he has done a pretty damn good job in that pinch hitting role with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 FishFan Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Gerald Williams is ineligible for play-off play. He was called up from AAA Albuquerque on Semptember 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie1941 Posted September 13, 2003 Author Share Posted September 13, 2003 all i am going to say about harris is this.... he has done a pretty damn good job in that pinch hitting role with us. So what's your 25 player roster? The topic herein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie1941 Posted September 13, 2003 Author Share Posted September 13, 2003 Gerald Williams is ineligible for play-off play. He was called up from AAA Albuquerque on Semptember 1st. Thanks. I misunderstood that. Thought he had made the dead-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Gator Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Gerald Williams is ineligible for play-off play. He was called up from AAA Albuquerque on Semptember 1st. That's not necessarily true. If you have guys on the DL, you can substitute anybody who was in the organization on 8/31, whether they were in the majors or not. That's why you see all sorts of weird roster maneuverings, like Seattle sending Gil Meche to the minors for a few days around 8/31. We can put AJ Burnett, Tim Spooneybarger, etc. on the post-season roster and then substitute guys who were in the minors for us on 8/31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 FishFan Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 That's not necessarily true. If you have guys on the DL, you can substitute anybody who was in the organization on 8/31, whether they were in the majors or not. That's why you see all sorts of weird roster maneuverings, like Seattle sending Gil Meche to the minors for a few days around 8/31. We can put AJ Burnett, Tim Spooneybarger, etc. on the post-season roster and then substitute guys who were in the minors for us on 8/31. I know,an example of this is being shown as of now:Blaine Neal recalled due to Penny's injury.But as of now he(Williams)won't be playing in the post-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie1941 Posted September 13, 2003 Author Share Posted September 13, 2003 By "on the sidelines" I mean "not on the playoff roster." Do you feel like proposing a 25 player roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I will propose a 25 man playoff roster when the playoffs get here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Gator Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 That's not necessarily true.? If you have guys on the DL, you can substitute anybody who was in the organization on 8/31, whether they were in the majors or not.? That's why you see all sorts of weird roster maneuverings, like Seattle sending Gil Meche to the minors for a few days around 8/31. We can put AJ Burnett, Tim Spooneybarger, etc. on the post-season roster and then substitute guys who were in the minors for us on 8/31. I know,an example of this is being shown as of now:Blaine Neal recalled due to Penny's injury.But as of now he(Williams)won't be playing in the post-season. I think Williams is eligible though. He won't be on the post-season roster because he can't hit. I don't think there's a one-for-one relationship on the call-ups. In other words, we don't have to use Neal on the post-season roster in place of Penny. We can use Gerald Williams if we feel like it (we won't). I think we can even use Williams in place of Spooneybarger or Burnett. Besides, since Penny wasn't put on the DL and replaced by Neal, Neal isn't really "replacing" Penny; Neal is just being added to the major league team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Gator Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 By "on the sidelines" I mean "not on the playoff roster." Do you feel like proposing a 25 player roster? I did. All the guys that aren't "on the sidelines." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie1941 Posted September 13, 2003 Author Share Posted September 13, 2003 By "on the sidelines" I mean "not on the playoff roster." Thanks. Now I understand. Your Starters are Redman, Beckett, Willis, Penny and Pavanno. Your Relievers are Urbina, Looper, Tejera, Bump and Chad Fox. Helling is not included. Think your 25 player roster is a bit short-sighted. Think we need to remove a "position player" in favor of Helling. (Come on now... said this is a fun exercise so we can watch what McKeon may be anticipating. There will be last minute changes.) You also took out Banks who could cover for Williams or Harris with more versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I like Lenny alot! He is 3-5 with us, and he was nearly 4-5. The Cubbies misplaced him (just like they misplaced the cork) by putting him at 3rd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I think Redman is going to be in the Pen in the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Gator Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Thanks. Now I understand. Your Starters are Redman, Beckett, Willis, Penny and Pavanno. Your Relievers are Urbina, Looper, Tejera, Bump and Chad Fox. Helling is not included. Think your 25 player roster is a bit short-sighted. Think we need to remove a "position player" in favor of Helling. (Come on now... said this is a fun exercise so we can watch what McKeon may be anticipating. There will be last minute changes.) You also took out Banks who could cover for Williams or Harris with more versatility. Actually, one of the starting pitchers would move to the bullpen. Nobody uses 5 starters in the playoffs. There's enough off-days in the playoffs so you can go with a 4-man rotation, sometimes even a 3-man rotation. So Pavano would probably move into the bullpen for long relief. Besides, before last night, I thought Helling had been kinda lucky rather than good. He'd given up quite a few baserunners (10 in 7 innings, a 1.43 WHIP) but managed to get out of things. With his penchant for giving up HRs, that luck wasn't going to last forever. But last night, he was just outstanding. I had a hard time deciding between Harris and Banks. But Harris has done real well in the few pinch-hit appearance he's had for us. We could dump Hollandsworth but he's done well as a left-handed PH too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I think Redman is going to be in the Pen in the playoffs Why would they do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 because he is our weakest link... and as you said, we dont use 5 pitchers in the playoffs.... i have read this on espn or cnnsi..... and i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I would think that Pavano would go to the pen, because he throws strikes early, gets outs early, and doesn't walk anybody. If someone else goes to the pen, I think it would be Dontrelle honestly, as a lefty specialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer_fran Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 A lot can change because of injuries (will Penny be okay? will Lowell be ready?) My guess ... The starters (8): Rodriguez, Lee, Castillo, Gonzalez, Lowell, Cabrera, Pierre, Encarnacion The sure thing pitchers (8): Redman, Beckett, Willis, Penny, Pavano, Urbina, Looper, Tejera The reserve position players (7): Castro, Redmond, Conine, Andy Fox, Mordecai, Harris, Hollandsworth Rounding out the bullpen (2): Bump, Chad Fox On the sidelines (6): Banks, G.Williams, Helling, Neal, Olsen, Phelps If Penny is out, I'd go with Helling. If we need another position player, I'd go with Banks over Williams. Banks is a switch-hitter and he spent the entire year with the major league team, unlike Williams. Am I forgetting anybody? I would switch Banks with Castro, because with Conine on the bench we won't need his right handed bat as much and we don't need 3 catchers. (I've also heard Banks can catch in emergency situations). I'd also switch Helling with Bump. Let's face it Bump isn't going to get a lot of innings in the playoffs if he goes, and Helling has some playoff experience and can be used as an innings eater if we have an extra inning game or our starter gets knocked out early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Castro provides good power. But Banks is a valuable left hander! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 It's an interesting question but I guess Das has it the most right - wait until its time. Gator's post does lead the reader to the obvious conclusion that quite a few current contributing players may not make it to the post season. Do you keep a Lenny Harris and an Andy Fox? A bat or a glove? The more pitching the team keeps the less positional players. Twenty-five is finite. Beinfest has done an extraordinary job this year, I'm supremely confident in his abilities. And when you throw in the wisdom of the manager, his coaching staff, who taught the Marlins what it meant to be winners, if we make it to the playoffs, I for one won't second guess them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie1941 Posted September 13, 2003 Author Share Posted September 13, 2003 Funny how many guys who eagerly jump into a poll on how many times next year's clubhouse toilets flush suddenly have no opinion on a decision to be made in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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