RippyO Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Best does not connote wins most championships in my minds. It's entirely subjective, but for me it certainly doesn't mean merely having the most money and getting a championship by default. You have to look at the big picture surrounding the Yankees - Steinbrenner's ranting, relentless patriotism to the point of meaningless (why not sing God Bless America every freaking half-inning), trying to cement into the minds of every Fox viewer that the Yankees are AMERICA'S TEAM, as well as the omnipresent shots of Rudy Giuliani, ex-mayor, fulltime Yankee fan. and Jeter. Jeter Jeter Jeter Jeter Jeter. Most NY Yankees fans think they are better than every other fan, and that's what makes them obnoxious. Again, rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for U.S. Steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Best does not connote wins most championships in my minds. It's entirely subjective, but for me it certainly doesn't mean merely having the most money and getting a championship by default. You have to look at the big picture surrounding the Yankees - Steinbrenner's ranting, relentless patriotism to the point of meaningless (why not sing God Bless America every freaking half-inning), trying to cement into the minds of every Fox viewer that the Yankees are AMERICA'S TEAM, as well as the omnipresent shots of Rudy Giuliani, ex-mayor, fulltime Yankee fan. and Jeter. Jeter Jeter Jeter Jeter Jeter. Most NY Yankees fans think they are better than every other fan, and that's what makes them obnoxious. Again, rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for U.S. Steel. Best does not connote wins most championships??? Sorry, but what are smoking??? The best wins championships, plain and simple. It doesn't matter about money spent and such, the champs are the champs, and by the way, if the Tribune wasn't so cheap, they could spend just as much as King George. Yankee fans are ridiculous, but they show up TO WATCH THE GAME, and they are knowledgeable, and although annoying, they sell out a 55,000 seat stadium in a terrible neighborhood every night. And they sing God Bless America once a night, not every half inning, and I give them the benefit of the doubt considering 3,000 of their people DIED in a terrible act of human stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 I root for the Yankees - because they represent what baseball is all about. Most are haters, because they are jealous. I want the Marlins to grow up someday and be like the Yankees...now we get to face them in the World Series... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarqSox Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 As a fan of baseball, I have a deep respect for the Yankees and their fans because they win and they understand and care about the game. I root against them, but I respect them. Conversely, as a fan of baseball, I despise the Cubs because they represent everything that is wrong with baseball -- ignorant fans (generally), complete futility, constant whining and a preference for the unimportant peripherals rather than a true appreciation of the game. How can I prove it? Ask a Cubs fan if they'd rather have a World Championship or keep Wrigley Field forever, and they'll take the latter ... a real baseball fan knows that the game itself is more important than where it's played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I root for the Yankees - because they represent what baseball is all about.? Most are haters, because they are jealous.? I want the Marlins to grow up someday and be like the Yankees...now we get to face them in the World Series... So that's what baseball is all about, eh? Having a payroll three times what most other teams have? I'll pass. I don't want the Marlins to be "like the Yankees". I want the Marlins to be the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 But seriously, I wouldn't call us the biggest babies in the world. 95 years of heart ache. There is no doubt Cubs fans are the best in the world. We filled the place all year, while you guys were not even drawing 20,000. Now it seems at this place there are some pretty big, loyal Marlin fans. But on the whole, you guys didnt show up till you were in the playoffs. Too bad World Series appearances and Championships aren't determined by attendance huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Aloha Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Well Cubkilla, ya beat me to it! I also wanted to say that attendance doesn't win championships, but that seems to be the typical cub fan ace in the hand. As if White Sox, Marlins, Minnesota, etc. etc. fans give a rat's butt how many tourists show up at wrigley field. So get it through your thick skulls cub fans, ATTENDANCE DOESN'T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. We're tired of your constant never-ending drivel about attendance. NO ONE CARES. And NO ONE (but your sorry selves) believes that you somehow "deserve" to win the world series just because you draw more "fans". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan24 Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Wait? Didn't he say the same thing about the Marlins playing the Cubs? :mischief2 And its just so funny to see all of these Cubs fans rooting for the Yankees because they got tossed out by the Marlins. Talk about a bunch of sore losers!!! :rofl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RippyO Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Why does any single post which makes an assertion that most Marlins fans are Johnny-come-latelys deleted or the thread locked? If you disagree, make your point, don't hide from it! And I don't know what's worse, a Cub fan rooting for the Yankees (I don't have a favorite in this series) or a White Sox fan rooting for the Marlins. Talk about deep-seated resentment. WAAAAA NOBODY WUVS THE SOUTH SIDERS Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarqSox Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Why does any single post which makes an assertion that most Marlins fans are Johnny-come-latelys deleted or the thread locked? If you disagree, make your point, don't hide from it! And I don't know what's worse, a Cub fan rooting for the Yankees (I don't have a favorite in this series) or a White Sox fan rooting for the Marlins. Talk about deep-seated resentment. WAAAAA NOBODY WUVS THE SOUTH SIDERS Give me a break. It's true, we deeply resent the Cubs and we're not gonna apologize for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugg Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Cubs fans whining about other teams being put on a pedestal by FOX. I've now seen it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Fillet Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Yeah, security escorted him. That's what would have happened at every park. What do you think at Comiskey (oh excuse me, U.S. Cellular), the other fans would have said "that's all right, chum. You just made a little mistake." Actually, it wouldn't of happened at almost any other ballpark/city. You know why? Because most other cities don't wallow in this perverted "lovable-loser" identity. Most other cities (and their media outlets) don't build up stories to epic proportions about silly curses and record setting futility so that when the team doesn't win it all it becomes a civic crisis. Most other communities also don't have mayors and governors decrying events on the field, nor do most other cities' local politicians incite deranged, media-frenzied fans to violence by publicy commenting on the behavior of one poor soul who acted like anyone else would of. And speaking of Bartman and/or Gonzalez booting the DP ball - Errors and weird plays happen every year in post-season baseball... The only reason Bartman fears for his life right now is because Cubs fans and the Chicago media have whipped themselves into a frenzy. Ask yourself this - If the Marlins were playing the Colorado Rockies in the NLCS instead of the Cubs this year and Bartman does that in Coors or PPS, you think he's hunted down and threatened like a pariah? Not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RippyO Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Actually is Bartman currently being hunted down? Most Cub fans have cooled off, and if the media wants to focus on the idiot shock jocks and small % of drunk fans, that's their fault. And Blagojevich just called the fan mildly stupid, he didn't pull a Bloomberg and order his arrest (granted, they were two entirely different situations, but this shows that even the fans of the unlovable winners can get a little too anxious). And nice try on the psychoanalyzing of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RippyO Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Cub fans. Would this action happen at Colorado? Hard to say, since the Rockies have only been around 10 years and haven't reached an LCS. You look at the fans now and of course they don't give much of a s***. If they had been better, perhaps they would have acted in much of the same way, ESPECIALLY right after the foul ball, when emotions were tense. As for your theories, please flesh out the perversion of the "lovable loser" persona. Not quite so unlovable? Deep-seated rage hidden beneath the surface, fierce anger at being ignorant yuppie North Siders? A yearning to be like the gung-ho, positive Yankees, the genuine White Sox, the fancy-free Marlins? No, it's just we haven't been there in 58 years, we hate management whose kept us from fielding a good team for so long, bemoaned the tragedies of '69 and '84, and were 5 outs away when the floor fell out. I blame the media. If they weren't in our faces about the CURSE 24/7, we wouldn't have been as pissed. "So do you think this is the year the Cubs break the curse? Huh huh? Let's do an interview with the Billy Goat and see what it thinks!" Pisses me off - you let a team know there's a curse surrounding them, and they'll play like it. Self-fulfilling prophecy. That's that. It's a jumble, but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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