MikeLowell Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 The word on the street is that Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long doesn't want to play for the Dolphins, who continue to negotiate with him as the first overall draft choice. There's a special honor in being the first pick so Long's agents continue to talk. Of course, there is a deadline to these contract talks and then the Dolphins will move onto the next person on their board. Apparently, it isn't Virginia's Chris Long. What is unusual about the top of the draft is that no team has declared to be after Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan. I think the best player is Arkansas running back Darren McFadden because not only is he a tough inside runner, but he also has game-breaking receiving skills. It is an unusual combination for an every-down runner. McFadden has the potential to be more dynamic than Adrian Peterson, Minnesota's rookie of the year. LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey figures to be selected in the top three, but there are many teams in the bottom two-thirds of the draft that have serious medical concerns about the stress fracture in his right leg. Some teams believe he will need surgery within two years on that leg. But the teams that love Dorsey seem not to care about this medical red flag. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8036808...s-on-for-Pacman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 If he doesn't want to be a Dolphin, F him. What a pansy. FWIW, everything I've read has Gholston as the first/second choice for the Phins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpierre Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 obviously this writer failed college because his only source is "the word on the street". This is a bunch a of crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 obviously this writer failed college because his only source is "the word on the street". This is a bunch a of crap "Word on ths street" is just a manner of speaking... could be nameless legitimate sources... agents, trainers... etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louiecastillo1 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Blah, we'll see what happens. Hopefully they'll get the best players possible but i'm bracing myself for more Jamar Fletchers and John Averys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 If he doesn't want to be a Dolphin, F him. Exactly, if he doesn't want to be here, we should tell him to go f*** himself and move on to the next person. I don't want anyone playing on this team who doesn't want to, and we shouldn't still be talking to him if that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I would have liked to know WHY he doesn't want to come here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Either trade the pick then for multiple picks, or deal McFadden out when you get him, just dont waste yout pick for a guy who would go 3 or 4 anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMania Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Either trade the pick then for multiple picks, or deal McFadden out when you get him, just dont waste yout pick for a guy who would go 3 or 4 anyways. The problem is that there arent many takers for the #1 spot. Drafting McFadden only works if the dolphins are prepared to keep him. The only reason San Diego drafted Eli Manning a few years ago, was because they had a need for a QB. That way if a trade didnt work out, they would just make Eli play for them. You dont just draft someone and then hope to trade them. Regardless, the odds of the dolphins drafting McFadden are probably 0 since Parcells hasnt even approached him. I read an article last week that the dolphins arent interested in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy42Jack0 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Either trade the pick then for multiple picks, or deal McFadden out when you get him, just dont waste yout pick for a guy who would go 3 or 4 anyways. The problem is that there arent many takers for the #1 spot. Drafting McFadden only works if the dolphins are prepared to keep him. The only reason San Diego drafted Eli Manning a few years ago, was because they had a need for a QB. That way if a trade didnt work out, they would just make Eli play for them. You dont just draft someone and then hope to trade them. Regardless, the odds of the dolphins drafting McFadden are probably 0 since Parcells hasnt even approached him. I read an article last week that the dolphins arent interested in him. thank god, he has reggie bush 2 :even worse written all over him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Either trade the pick then for multiple picks, or deal McFadden out when you get him, just dont waste yout pick for a guy who would go 3 or 4 anyways. The problem is that there arent many takers for the #1 spot. Drafting McFadden only works if the dolphins are prepared to keep him. The only reason San Diego drafted Eli Manning a few years ago, was because they had a need for a QB. That way if a trade didnt work out, they would just make Eli play for them. You dont just draft someone and then hope to trade them. Regardless, the odds of the dolphins drafting McFadden are probably 0 since Parcells hasnt even approached him. I read an article last week that the dolphins arent interested in him. thank god, he has reggie bush 2 :even worse written all over him He also has "more dynamic AP" written all over him. He's much more dynamic in the pass game than AP, and a much more physical runner than AP, McFadden is gonna be a solid back, and god forbid he goes to the Jets with the O-line they have, because then there's a chance he'll run for 1500 yards and maybe even catch 500... yes, that's right, I said he could probably be a net 2000 yarder his first season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMania Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Either trade the pick then for multiple picks, or deal McFadden out when you get him, just dont waste yout pick for a guy who would go 3 or 4 anyways. The problem is that there arent many takers for the #1 spot. Drafting McFadden only works if the dolphins are prepared to keep him. The only reason San Diego drafted Eli Manning a few years ago, was because they had a need for a QB. That way if a trade didnt work out, they would just make Eli play for them. You dont just draft someone and then hope to trade them. Regardless, the odds of the dolphins drafting McFadden are probably 0 since Parcells hasnt even approached him. I read an article last week that the dolphins arent interested in him. thank god, he has reggie bush 2 :even worse written all over him He also has "more dynamic AP" written all over him. He's much more dynamic in the pass game than AP, and a much more physical runner than AP, McFadden is gonna be a solid back, and god forbid he goes to the Jets with the O-line they have, because then there's a chance he'll run for 1500 yards and maybe even catch 500... yes, that's right, I said he could probably be a net 2000 yarder his first season Thats why I'm praying he falls to #6... (or the jets trade up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Either trade the pick then for multiple picks, or deal McFadden out when you get him, just dont waste yout pick for a guy who would go 3 or 4 anyways. The problem is that there arent many takers for the #1 spot. Drafting McFadden only works if the dolphins are prepared to keep him. The only reason San Diego drafted Eli Manning a few years ago, was because they had a need for a QB. That way if a trade didnt work out, they would just make Eli play for them. You dont just draft someone and then hope to trade them. Regardless, the odds of the dolphins drafting McFadden are probably 0 since Parcells hasnt even approached him. I read an article last week that the dolphins arent interested in him. thank god, he has reggie bush 2 :even worse written all over him He also has "more dynamic AP" written all over him. He's much more dynamic in the pass game than AP, and a much more physical runner than AP, McFadden is gonna be a solid back, and god forbid he goes to the Jets with the O-line they have, because then there's a chance he'll run for 1500 yards and maybe even catch 500... yes, that's right, I said he could probably be a net 2000 yarder his first season Thats why I'm praying he falls to #6... (or the jets trade up) His only issue is going to be transitioning to the 16+ game NFL schedule, but Thomas Jones might be able to help that... that bold 2000 yard prediction of mine is definitely a best-case scenario though, 1000-200 and like 6 TDs is probably more realistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy42Jack0 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 i cant see him putting up anywhere near those numbers...but then again...i think he will be a bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I just dont see why the Dolphins dont trade down if they arent going to take the #1 guy, and face it any team without an RB would take McFadden... Im not sure the rules that apply in the NFL but I dont see why they couldnt deal him afterwards. Dont get me wrong I wouldnt know what for I am no NFL expert... just I would hate to see us draft a #2 or #3 guy and let those behind us get the true #1 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 i cant see him putting up anywhere near those numbers...but then again...i think he will be a bust What was your opinion of Adrian Peterson coming out then? Because McFadden gives you similar running styles (though AP is a bit better) better receiving skills, and less injury risk? What about McFadden gives you the idea that he'll be a bust? I'm genuinely curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanks1212 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 i cant see him putting up anywhere near those numbers...but then again...i think he will be a bust What was your opinion of Adrian Peterson coming out then? Because McFadden gives you similar running styles (though AP is a bit better) better receiving skills, and less injury risk? What about McFadden gives you the idea that he'll be a bust? I'm genuinely curious. I like McFadden alot, but there are genuine concerns about his lower body strength and running style (lack of leg drive). D-Mac has a tendency to stop his feet upon contact, whereas Adrian Peterson has the leg drive you see out of successful NFL backs. Both of those issues with McFadden are fixable. However the "stopping your feet on contact" thing can be difficult to coach up once a player reaches a high level of football because he has become so ingrained with a particular running style. I wouldn't be scared of taking him around #6 because of his success in the OMGSEC!!!!!11, but he's not a surefire star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I just dont see why the Dolphins dont trade down if they arent going to take the #1 guy Because no team wants the #1 pick bad enough to trade up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I wouldn't be scared of taking him around #6 because of his success in the OMGSEC!!!!!11, but he's not a surefire star. NOBODY is, coming out of college Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeLowell Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Looks like the Saints are talking with the Rams about the #2 pick in order to get Gholston or Dorsey. If we can't come to terms with Jake Long maybe we can work out a trade with them? #10 pick, Saints 2nd rounder + for the #1 pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Looks like the Saints are talking with the Rams about the #2 pick in order to get Gholston or Dorsey. If we can't come to terms with Jake Long maybe we can work out a trade with them? #10 pick, Saints 2nd rounder + for the #1 pick? I'd have to find that trade value chart, but I believe that the Dolphins would get more than that Edit: Yeah, It'd probably be more like their 1,2 and 3rd round picks, and a first rounder next year but if the Phins just ask for the first and second, that might make the trade more palatable for the Saints http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/valuechart.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puma Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I would have liked to know WHY he doesn't want to come here.. Gee, I dunno. Perhaps because they finished 1-15 last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I would have liked to know WHY he doesn't want to come here.. Gee, I dunno. Perhaps because they finished 1-15 last year? Probably won't be good for 2-3 seasons... Maybe he doesn't like Bill Parcells? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I just dont see why the Dolphins dont trade down if they arent going to take the #1 guy Because no team wants the #1 pick bad enough to trade up. Yeah because the NFL drafting system is f***ed up. I say the Dolphins take the risk though, draft McFadden, but then what do they do with Brown? run em both together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpierre Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 There is a rumor that the dolphins offered long 10-15 million less than the raiders gave Russell last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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