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maybe they should have left olsen in to hit becuase he friggin hits better with RISP than some people on this team!

 

 

Gonzo's hitting .333 with .RISP before that AB.

So no...

 

Not as a pinch hitter and he hardly plays at all

 

You JUST SAID .RISP.

...and he had 69 AB's (70 now) in those situations. So no...it's not a terrible sample size, either.

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maybe they should have left olsen in to hit becuase he friggin hits better with RISP than some people on this team!

 

 

Gonzo's hitting .333 with .RISP before that AB.

So no...

 

Not as a pinch hitter and he hardly plays at all

 

You JUST SAID .RISP.

...and he had 69 AB's (70 now) in those situations. So no...it's not a terrible sample size, either.

 

Wow Erick...do you really believe that I think leaving the pitcher in the game is the best way to get runs home? It was a joke, man. Come on!

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maybe they should have left olsen in to hit becuase he friggin hits better with RISP than some people on this team!

 

 

Gonzo's hitting .333 with .RISP before that AB.

So no...

 

Not as a pinch hitter and he hardly plays at all

 

You JUST SAID .RISP.

...and he had 69 AB's (70 now) in those situations. So no...it's not a terrible sample size, either.

 

Wow Erick...do you really believe that I think leaving the pitcher in the game is the best way to get runs home? It was a joke, man. Come on!

 

 

My bad, then. :banghead

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You CANNOT, i repeat, YOU CANNOT take out someone who has given you a 1 hit game (close play at first if jacobs would of picked it out) going into the 7th.

 

You just can't, especially if your in the hunt for a playoff spot.

 

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put me in the camp that thinks Fredi has taken out his starters early TWO nights in a row. When you're starting pitcher is ROLLING through a lineup, you kinda gotta give that pitch count thing the boot until he starts to struggle. It's not as if it would be much of a strain on soft-tossing Olsen, who has pitched 30 games the last three seasons to have a 130 pitch outing (ricky nolasco-esque). Also, if you were skeptical about him facing Holliday and Atkins.... he already had twice in the game and handled them.

 

Also, isn't gonzo a bad pinch hitter? i'm in a rush so i can't look up the stats.... but I remember him not being good enough to take out a hot pitcher.

 

and yes, i feel a 2-0 lead would have been sufficient for olsen.

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You CANNOT, i repeat, YOU CANNOT take out someone who has given you a 1 hit game (close play at first if jacobs would of picked it out) going into the 7th.

 

You just can't, especially if your in the hunt for a playoff spot.

 

Poorest dicision by fredy.

 

 

you can if you are up by only 2 runs and struggling for more. Plus, Olsen was at 94 pitches. You guys are acting like he was in a position to go 9 innings.

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put me in the camp that thinks Fredi has taken out his starters early TWO nights in a row. When you're starting pitcher is ROLLING through a lineup, you kinda gotta give that pitch count thing the boot until he starts to struggle. It's not as if it would be much of a strain on soft-tossing Olsen, who has pitched 30 games the last three seasons to have a 130 pitch outing (ricky nolasco-esque). Also, if you were skeptical about him facing Holliday and Atkins.... he already had twice in the game and handled them.

 

Also, isn't gonzo a bad pinch hitter? i'm in a rush so i can't look up the stats.... but I remember him not being good enough to take out a hot pitcher.

 

and yes, i feel a 2-0 lead would have been sufficient for olsen.

 

Nolasco was takin out because the meat of the order was coming up, and it was his fourth time through the line-up. Plus, Holliday was owning him. And olsen had to be takin out. we needed to score, and with the bases loaded and him up it was the perfect time to do it.

 

And Gonzo has a .179 average as a pinch hitter.

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Im not going to quote every single response to my post... but ill just say 1 thing as a mass reply...

 

 

1. I don't care if the bases are loaded with 2 outs. One hit in 6 innings and you take the pitcher out... yea... if he is shutting down a team and only allowed 1 hit then yes, I do have confidence in 2 runs... believe it or not, pitching wins games.

 

2. Argue it all you want, and say that it was garbage what they did off Pinto... um... it definitely didn't work out.. did it? I have a guy come in strike out the 1st guy he faces, ends the inning, he is going back out for the next inning, pitched to 1 guy.

 

3. No squeeze? I may be wrong 99.9% of the time, and maybe it was Wes at 3rd, but I believe in a game called baseball, small ball, any-way-you-got-to-do-it-to-win-ball...

 

 

now... again... as for your "sac fly" argument.. IT DIDNT WORK OUT, DID IT? so... hate on my squeeze idea with the 3rd hitter who has gotten clutch hits this year... yea, Cantu is a good player, but he popped up in the infield...

 

 

 

OH AND BTW... another move I would have made..

 

 

Wes would have been sitting on the bench, because Hanley, who has been struggling at the plate, would be pinch running, to set the whole deal up... and yes Jeremy was struggling in that game but that doesn't mean Im going to pinch hit for a hitter who is in a 1 day slump, for somebody who is in a bit bigger of a rut...

 

I dont know that my way would have worked either, but you can't say im wrong because guess what? we didnt get the job done the way it was...

 

So, you guys can bash my post ALL you want

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Im not going to quote every single response to my post... but ill just say 1 thing as a mass reply...

 

 

1. I don't care if the bases are loaded with 2 outs. One hit in 6 innings and you take the pitcher out... yea... if he is shutting down a team and only allowed 1 hit then yes, I do have confidence in 2 runs... believe it or not, pitching wins games.

 

2. Argue it all you want, and say that it was garbage what they did off Pinto... um... it definitely didn't work out.. did it? I have a guy come in strike out the 1st guy he faces, ends the inning, he is going back out for the next inning, pitched to 1 guy.

 

3. No squeeze? I may be wrong 99.9% of the time, and maybe it was Wes at 3rd, but I believe in a game called baseball, small ball, any-way-you-got-to-do-it-to-win-ball...

 

 

now... again... as for your "sac fly" argument.. IT DIDNT WORK OUT, DID IT? so... hate on my squeeze idea with the 3rd hitter who has gotten clutch hits this year... yea, Cantu is a good player, but he popped up in the infield...

 

 

 

OH AND BTW... another move I would have made..

 

 

Wes would have been sitting on the bench, because Hanley, who has been struggling at the plate, would be pinch running, to set the whole deal up... and yes Jeremy was struggling in that game but that doesn't mean Im going to pinch hit for a hitter who is in a 1 day slump, for somebody who is in a bit bigger of a rut...

 

I dont know that my way would have worked either, but you can't say im wrong because guess what? we didnt get the job done the way it was...

 

So, you guys can bash my post ALL you want

 

I disagree with the entire post.

Just b/c things "don't work out" doesn't make it the managers' fault, first of all.

 

That's basically your only "point," so that's all I have to say.

 

Regarding Pinto...RH hitters were coming up. Check out some stats...Rhodes is a LEFTY SPECIALIST. Pinto is not the normal lefty out of the pen. He's better against righties (rather dominant in this area) than he is against lefties.

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put me in the camp that thinks Fredi has taken out his starters early TWO nights in a row. When you're starting pitcher is ROLLING through a lineup, you kinda gotta give that pitch count thing the boot until he starts to struggle. It's not as if it would be much of a strain on soft-tossing Olsen, who has pitched 30 games the last three seasons to have a 130 pitch outing (ricky nolasco-esque). Also, if you were skeptical about him facing Holliday and Atkins.... he already had twice in the game and handled them.

 

Also, isn't gonzo a bad pinch hitter? i'm in a rush so i can't look up the stats.... but I remember him not being good enough to take out a hot pitcher.

 

and yes, i feel a 2-0 lead would have been sufficient for olsen.

 

Nolasco was takin out because the meat of the order was coming up, and it was his fourth time through the line-up. Plus, Holliday was owning him. And olsen had to be takin out. we needed to score, and with the bases loaded and him up it was the perfect time to do it.

 

And Gonzo has a .179 average as a pinch hitter.

No, we didn't.

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OMG, he ONLY made ONE questionable / bad decision.

 

He didn't bring in his closer for the 9th inning.

 

Big whoop...Fredi doesn't have a bat in his hands; these are professional players...they went 1-10 with .RISP today.

 

I said it last night, while everyone was going goo-goo-gaa-gaa over the win.

The hitters were terrible last night, and 9x out of 10, when you play like that, you lose. Well, they did it today again...and lost.

 

 

Scott in the 6th after only allowing 1 hit and being under 100 pitches.... he needs to go back out for the 7th...

 

If you want Rhodes to come in and pitch and he strikes out 1 guy, dont go to Pinto unless you need to pinch hit for Rhodes.. instead he just brought pinto in..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now this one is questionable... but with the bases loaded, Cantu at bat, down by 1 run in the bottom of the 9th with less than 2 outs... im putting the suicide squeeze on 99.9% of the time...

 

 

Agreed. Taking him out was a costly mistake.

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You CANNOT, i repeat, YOU CANNOT take out someone who has given you a 1 hit game (close play at first if jacobs would of picked it out) going into the 7th.

 

You just can't, especially if your in the hunt for a playoff spot.

 

Poorest dicision by fredy.

 

 

you can if you are up by only 2 runs and struggling for more. Plus, Olsen was at 94 pitches. You guys are acting like he was in a position to go 9 innings.

 

If it was the 5th inning then yes but it wasn't so, he could easily gone out there again. Let's point out he doesn't throw hard so even going with a higher pitch count would not have hurt.

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OMG, he ONLY made ONE questionable / bad decision.

 

He didn't bring in his closer for the 9th inning.

 

Big whoop...Fredi doesn't have a bat in his hands; these are professional players...they went 1-10 with .RISP today.

 

I said it last night, while everyone was going goo-goo-gaa-gaa over the win.

The hitters were terrible last night, and 9x out of 10, when you play like that, you lose. Well, they did it today again...and lost.

 

 

Scott in the 6th after only allowing 1 hit and being under 100 pitches.... he needs to go back out for the 7th...

 

If you want Rhodes to come in and pitch and he strikes out 1 guy, dont go to Pinto unless you need to pinch hit for Rhodes.. instead he just brought pinto in..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now this one is questionable... but with the bases loaded, Cantu at bat, down by 1 run in the bottom of the 9th with less than 2 outs... im putting the suicide squeeze on 99.9% of the time...

 

 

Agreed. Taking him out was a costly mistake.

How was it a costly mistake, we didn't give up any runs in the 7th?

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OMG, he ONLY made ONE questionable / bad decision.

 

He didn't bring in his closer for the 9th inning.

 

Big whoop...Fredi doesn't have a bat in his hands; these are professional players...they went 1-10 with .RISP today.

 

I said it last night, while everyone was going goo-goo-gaa-gaa over the win.

The hitters were terrible last night, and 9x out of 10, when you play like that, you lose. Well, they did it today again...and lost.

 

 

Scott in the 6th after only allowing 1 hit and being under 100 pitches.... he needs to go back out for the 7th...

 

If you want Rhodes to come in and pitch and he strikes out 1 guy, dont go to Pinto unless you need to pinch hit for Rhodes.. instead he just brought pinto in..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now this one is questionable... but with the bases loaded, Cantu at bat, down by 1 run in the bottom of the 9th with less than 2 outs... im putting the suicide squeeze on 99.9% of the time...

Cantu can't bunt.

 

He's tried to put the sacrifice bunt 3 times in his major league career, all in 2005.

 

Once it was left right in front of the catcher, who threw it to 2nd base for the failed sac and twice it was bunted right back to the pitcher, who threw it to 2B for the failed sac.

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Im not going to quote every single response to my post... but ill just say 1 thing as a mass reply...

 

 

1. I don't care if the bases are loaded with 2 outs. One hit in 6 innings and you take the pitcher out... yea... if he is shutting down a team and only allowed 1 hit then yes, I do have confidence in 2 runs... believe it or not, pitching wins games.

 

2. Argue it all you want, and say that it was garbage what they did off Pinto... um... it definitely didn't work out.. did it? I have a guy come in strike out the 1st guy he faces, ends the inning, he is going back out for the next inning, pitched to 1 guy.

 

3. No squeeze? I may be wrong 99.9% of the time, and maybe it was Wes at 3rd, but I believe in a game called baseball, small ball, any-way-you-got-to-do-it-to-win-ball...

 

 

now... again... as for your "sac fly" argument.. IT DIDNT WORK OUT, DID IT? so... hate on my squeeze idea with the 3rd hitter who has gotten clutch hits this year... yea, Cantu is a good player, but he popped up in the infield...

 

 

 

OH AND BTW... another move I would have made..

 

 

Wes would have been sitting on the bench, because Hanley, who has been struggling at the plate, would be pinch running, to set the whole deal up... and yes Jeremy was struggling in that game but that doesn't mean Im going to pinch hit for a hitter who is in a 1 day slump, for somebody who is in a bit bigger of a rut...

 

I dont know that my way would have worked either, but you can't say im wrong because guess what? we didnt get the job done the way it was...

 

So, you guys can bash my post ALL you want

 

 

1. WE NEEDED TO SCORE RUNS. Not pinch hitting for a pitcher with the bases loaded is retarded. THe most he would have given us was one more inning.

 

2. What Erick said.

 

3. You dont sacrifice squeeze with one of your best hitters up, and probably the most clutch.

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put me in the camp that thinks Fredi has taken out his starters early TWO nights in a row. When you're starting pitcher is ROLLING through a lineup, you kinda gotta give that pitch count thing the boot until he starts to struggle. It's not as if it would be much of a strain on soft-tossing Olsen, who has pitched 30 games the last three seasons to have a 130 pitch outing (ricky nolasco-esque). Also, if you were skeptical about him facing Holliday and Atkins.... he already had twice in the game and handled them.

 

Also, isn't gonzo a bad pinch hitter? i'm in a rush so i can't look up the stats.... but I remember him not being good enough to take out a hot pitcher.

 

and yes, i feel a 2-0 lead would have been sufficient for olsen.

 

Nolasco was takin out because the meat of the order was coming up, and it was his fourth time through the line-up. Plus, Holliday was owning him. And olsen had to be takin out. we needed to score, and with the bases loaded and him up it was the perfect time to do it.

 

And Gonzo has a .179 average as a pinch hitter.

No, we didn't.

 

Yes we did.

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OMG, he ONLY made ONE questionable / bad decision.

 

He didn't bring in his closer for the 9th inning.

 

Big whoop...Fredi doesn't have a bat in his hands; these are professional players...they went 1-10 with .RISP today.

 

I said it last night, while everyone was going goo-goo-gaa-gaa over the win.

The hitters were terrible last night, and 9x out of 10, when you play like that, you lose. Well, they did it today again...and lost.

 

 

Scott in the 6th after only allowing 1 hit and being under 100 pitches.... he needs to go back out for the 7th...

 

If you want Rhodes to come in and pitch and he strikes out 1 guy, dont go to Pinto unless you need to pinch hit for Rhodes.. instead he just brought pinto in..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now this one is questionable... but with the bases loaded, Cantu at bat, down by 1 run in the bottom of the 9th with less than 2 outs... im putting the suicide squeeze on 99.9% of the time...

 

 

Agreed. Taking him out was a costly mistake.

 

 

No it wasnt. IT had to be done.

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You CANNOT, i repeat, YOU CANNOT take out someone who has given you a 1 hit game (close play at first if jacobs would of picked it out) going into the 7th.

 

You just can't, especially if your in the hunt for a playoff spot.

 

Poorest dicision by fredy.

 

 

you can if you are up by only 2 runs and struggling for more. Plus, Olsen was at 94 pitches. You guys are acting like he was in a position to go 9 innings.

 

If it was the 5th inning then yes but it wasn't so, he could easily gone out there again. Let's point out he doesn't throw hard so even going with a higher pitch count would not have hurt.

 

 

Ok, so lets say we didnt use a pinch hitter. Olsen comes up with the bases loaded, and strikes out. He comes out pitches the 7 inning beautifully and thats it. Then the Bullpen gives up 2 runs and we go into extra innings. Thats probably how it would have played out. But if we use Gonzalez as a pinch hitter and he gets a hit and drives in 2 runs we win 4-3. I know that didnt happen, but thats what fredi was trying to do. We needed extra runs so he used Gonzalez as a pinch hitter and he failed.

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Im not going to quote every single response to my post... but ill just say 1 thing as a mass reply...

 

 

1. I don't care if the bases are loaded with 2 outs. One hit in 6 innings and you take the pitcher out... yea... if he is shutting down a team and only allowed 1 hit then yes, I do have confidence in 2 runs... believe it or not, pitching wins games.

 

2. Argue it all you want, and say that it was garbage what they did off Pinto... um... it definitely didn't work out.. did it? I have a guy come in strike out the 1st guy he faces, ends the inning, he is going back out for the next inning, pitched to 1 guy.

 

3. No squeeze? I may be wrong 99.9% of the time, and maybe it was Wes at 3rd, but I believe in a game called baseball, small ball, any-way-you-got-to-do-it-to-win-ball...

 

 

now... again... as for your "sac fly" argument.. IT DIDNT WORK OUT, DID IT? so... hate on my squeeze idea with the 3rd hitter who has gotten clutch hits this year... yea, Cantu is a good player, but he popped up in the infield...

 

 

 

OH AND BTW... another move I would have made..

 

 

Wes would have been sitting on the bench, because Hanley, who has been struggling at the plate, would be pinch running, to set the whole deal up... and yes Jeremy was struggling in that game but that doesn't mean Im going to pinch hit for a hitter who is in a 1 day slump, for somebody who is in a bit bigger of a rut...

 

I dont know that my way would have worked either, but you can't say im wrong because guess what? we didnt get the job done the way it was...

 

So, you guys can bash my post ALL you want

 

Olsen had already thrown close to 100 pitches and with the bases loaded you were forced to pinch hit for him.

Perhaps Rhodes could have come in to start the next inning instead of Pinto. I probably would have favored that.

But suggesting a squeeze with Cantu hitting with one out is ridiculous! A suicide squeeze is a very risky play. He could miss the ball as he is bunting and the runner would be an easy out at home. Besides, Helms is a very slow runner.

A hit would have won the game. A long fly ball to the outfield would have tied it. Cantu just got under it a little and popped it up.

A walk by Willingham would have tied it. A hit would have won it.

 

Fredi and the Marlins were in a position to win or tie the game in the ninth.....it just didn't happen. Period. We have to move on, but it was NOT Fredi's fault that we lost the game.

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HAHAHAHAHA this is funny...

 

 

Oh btw I dont mean to point this out, but...

 

 

The Cardinals did the same thing tonight, tried to win it/tie it like we did in the bottom of the 9th tonight against the phillies... didnt work for them either....did it?

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