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Thank you Erick for placing me with people saying to start Carroll against both righties and lefties, as always you find a way to put words into other peoples mouths.

 

The reason Hermida is tradable is because the team has seen Maybin has been contributing and playing very well for a long time now and is very near if not already major league ready. That obviously would mean calling him up soon (trade deadline when we trade Hermida) Maybin goes to CF, Cody to RF, and Coghlan stays in LF. Even then we still have guys like De Aza, Carroll, etc... to get place starts when these guys need a day off. Hermida is extremely expendable, and his lack of production for over a year and a half now is the reason teams value him less than some people here believe he is worth. At this point last year he was considered a key point to get Manny Ramirez, now he isn't even worth Capps in a package centered around him. At this point it seems blantant the front office wants some help in the bullpen in trading Hermida, seems like we still haven't found a team that really values him enough to trade their closer.

 

 

 

 

I don't believe I did, but ok.

 

Anyways...Maybin is still unproven. I'd rather stick with a very good platoon in RF + the solid bullpen we currently have, in the middle of a race, and maybe call Maybin up in September. There's no need to rush him & stick him in the middle of a divisional race.

 

Matt Capps isn't a difference maker.

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Thank you Erick for placing me with people saying to start Carroll against both righties and lefties, as always you find a way to put words into other peoples mouths.

 

The reason Hermida is tradable is because the team has seen Maybin has been contributing and playing very well for a long time now and is very near if not already major league ready. That obviously would mean calling him up soon (trade deadline when we trade Hermida) Maybin goes to CF, Cody to RF, and Coghlan stays in LF. Even then we still have guys like De Aza, Carroll, etc... to get place starts when these guys need a day off. Hermida is extremely expendable, and his lack of production for over a year and a half now is the reason teams value him less than some people here believe he is worth. At this point last year he was considered a key point to get Manny Ramirez, now he isn't even worth Capps in a package centered around him. At this point it seems blantant the front office wants some help in the bullpen in trading Hermida, seems like we still haven't found a team that really values him enough to trade their closer.

 

 

 

 

I don't believe I did, but ok.

 

Anyways...Maybin is still unproven. I'd rather stick with a very good platoon in RF + the solid bullpen we currently have, in the middle of a race, and maybe call Maybin up in September. There's no need to rush him & stick him in the middle of a divisional race.

 

Matt Capps isn't a difference maker.

 

 

 

 

 

 

100% agreed.

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You guys are missing the bigger point here! The Pirates said "No Thanks" implying that Hermida was not worth trading Capps to them. For all of you Hermida lovers out there this speaks volumes so listen to what you're hearing.

 

 

supposedly we offered hermida and specs for Andy Laroche and Capps and the Pirates countered with CC and a MILB pitcher for Capps and no laRoche and that ended the talks.

 

 

If that is true, we sent them an insulting offer that only would get passed in a baseball video game, and they countered by basically spitting on the offer we sent, and sending their own offer that showed how insulting the Marlins offer really was.

 

Um...

 

Have you ever seen the deals that the Pirates make? Half this board could run that team better. Seriously.

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You guys are missing the bigger point here! The Pirates said "No Thanks" implying that Hermida was not worth trading Capps to them. For all of you Hermida lovers out there this speaks volumes so listen to what you're hearing.

 

 

supposedly we offered hermida and specs for Andy Laroche and Capps and the Pirates countered with CC and a MILB pitcher for Capps and no laRoche and that ended the talks.

Wow, that's horrific.

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You guys are missing the bigger point here! The Pirates said "No Thanks" implying that Hermida was not worth trading Capps to them. For all of you Hermida lovers out there this speaks volumes so listen to what you're hearing.

 

 

supposedly we offered hermida and specs for Andy Laroche and Capps and the Pirates countered with CC and a MILB pitcher for Capps and no laRoche and that ended the talks.

Wow, that's horrific.

 

 

I dont know whats more horrific, the offer the pirates made to the marlins, or the fact that the marlins want to trade away hermida without a proven replacement.

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You guys are missing the bigger point here! The Pirates said "No Thanks" implying that Hermida was not worth trading Capps to them. For all of you Hermida lovers out there this speaks volumes so listen to what you're hearing.

 

 

supposedly we offered hermida and specs for Andy Laroche and Capps and the Pirates countered with CC and a MILB pitcher for Capps and no laRoche and that ended the talks.

Wow, that's horrific.

 

 

I dont know whats more horrific, the offer the pirates made to the marlins, or the fact that the marlins want to trade away hermida without a proven replacement.

As some have said, it's the Pirates. If you see the trades they make, they don't really deserve any good offers to start with.

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You guys are missing the bigger point here! The Pirates said "No Thanks" implying that Hermida was not worth trading Capps to them. For all of you Hermida lovers out there this speaks volumes so listen to what you're hearing.

 

 

supposedly we offered hermida and specs for Andy Laroche and Capps and the Pirates countered with CC and a MILB pitcher for Capps and no laRoche and that ended the talks.

Wow, that's horrific.

 

 

I dont know whats more horrific, the offer the pirates made to the marlins, or the fact that the marlins want to trade away hermida without a proven replacement.

As some have said, it's the Pirates. If you see the trades they make, they don't really deserve any good offers to start with.

Perhaps the Jason Bay blockbuster deal wasnt a good one?

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It sucks to be a Pirates fan. They keep trading away their talent whenever there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I hear Jack Wilson's going to be gone aswell. I'm glad, because that poor guy's the Craig Biggio of the Pirates and he deserves a lot better.

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It sucks to be a Pirates fan. They keep trading away their talent whenever there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I hear Jack Wilson's going to be gone aswell. I'm glad, because that poor guy's the Craig Biggio of the Pirates and he deserves a lot better.

 

 

Seriously. There's always talk about how badly we should feel because our organization always trades away its talent. At least we keep it long enough to win, and make sure we get equal talent in return. I feel like the Pirates trade player after player, and with zero thought toward how it's going to help the organization. They have no plan. Once a player gets to a certain point, they simply deal him. That organization is more doomed than Washington. At least the Nats are starting to make an effort (even though they JUST NOW seem to realize Josh Willingham was the best of 23 outfielders they had besides Dunn).

 

/End Rant

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...Second, they haven't been trying to trade Hermida for a year. More like the past month (unless if you're talking about the Manny Ramirez rumors last year, which is insane. If anything that says something for certain clubs believing in Hermida's potential...that's not just trading him for nothing). And a lot of that has to do with him underachieving this year, yes...also has a lot to do with his contract, and the fact he'll likely not be here next year.

 

 

I'll leave to others to decide what's insane and what is idolatry.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/manny-ramirez-3.html links to a dozen or so legitimate pieces on the subject not Tim Deirkes editorializing

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-manny-hermida-deal/ a favorite website here

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3511804

 

http://fantasysports.usatoday.com/content/player_news.asp?sport=mlb&id=1884&line=245556 USA Today recap

 

there are quotes in the above from virtually every reporter from Gammons to Olney to Rosenthal to Salibury referencing Hermida being part of that trade so please try to not tell me otherwise. The Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year...live with it.

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...Second, they haven't been trying to trade Hermida for a year. More like the past month (unless if you're talking about the Manny Ramirez rumors last year, which is insane. If anything that says something for certain clubs believing in Hermida's potential...that's not just trading him for nothing). And a lot of that has to do with him underachieving this year, yes...also has a lot to do with his contract, and the fact he'll likely not be here next year.

 

 

I'll leave to others to decide what's insane and what is idolatry.

 

http://www.mlbtrader...-ramirez-3.html links to a dozen or so legitimate pieces on the subject not Tim Deirkes editorializing

 

http://www.fangraphs...y-hermida-deal/ a favorite website here

 

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=3511804

 

http://fantasysports...884&line=245556 USA Today recap

 

there are quotes in the above from virtually every reporter from Gammons to Olney to Rosenthal to Salibury referencing Hermida being part of that trade so please try to not tell me otherwise. The Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year...live with it.

 

 

That's great.

 

Too bad you can't read. Either that, or you completely ignored what I wrote in parenthesis on the post you quoted.

 

By "insane" I didn't mean they were insane rumors. I meant it's insane to think the Marlins were just trying to get rid of Hermida last year, considering they wanted Manny Ramirez back in return. Y'know...the same Manny Ramirez who's one of the best hitters in baseball? Those offers have nothing to do with trying to deal Hermida. More like sending Hermida in a package b/c you have to give to get.

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...Second, they haven't been trying to trade Hermida for a year. More like the past month (unless if you're talking about the Manny Ramirez rumors last year, which is insane. If anything that says something for certain clubs believing in Hermida's potential...that's not just trading him for nothing). And a lot of that has to do with him underachieving this year, yes...also has a lot to do with his contract, and the fact he'll likely not be here next year.

 

 

I'll leave to others to decide what's insane and what is idolatry.

 

http://www.mlbtrader...-ramirez-3.html links to a dozen or so legitimate pieces on the subject not Tim Deirkes editorializing

 

http://www.fangraphs...y-hermida-deal/ a favorite website here

 

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=3511804

 

http://fantasysports...884&line=245556 USA Today recap

 

there are quotes in the above from virtually every reporter from Gammons to Olney to Rosenthal to Salibury referencing Hermida being part of that trade so please try to not tell me otherwise. The Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year...live with it.

 

 

That's great.

 

Too bad you can't read. Either that, or you completely ignored what I wrote in parenthesis on the post you quoted.

 

By "insane" I didn't mean they were insane rumors. I meant it's insane to think the Marlins were just trying to get rid of Hermida last year, considering they wanted Manny Ramirez back in return. Y'know...the same Manny Ramirez who's one of the best hitters in baseball? Those offers have nothing to do with trying to deal Hermida. More like sending Hermida in a package b/c you have to give to get.

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...Second, they haven't been trying to trade Hermida for a year. More like the past month (unless if you're talking about the Manny Ramirez rumors last year, which is insane. If anything that says something for certain clubs believing in Hermida's potential...that's not just trading him for nothing). And a lot of that has to do with him underachieving this year, yes...also has a lot to do with his contract, and the fact he'll likely not be here next year.

 

 

I'll leave to others to decide what's insane and what is idolatry.

 

http://www.mlbtrader...-ramirez-3.html links to a dozen or so legitimate pieces on the subject not Tim Deirkes editorializing

 

http://www.fangraphs...y-hermida-deal/ a favorite website here

 

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=3511804

 

http://fantasysports...884&line=245556 USA Today recap

 

there are quotes in the above from virtually every reporter from Gammons to Olney to Rosenthal to Salibury referencing Hermida being part of that trade so please try to not tell me otherwise. The Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year...live with it.

 

 

That's great.

 

Too bad you can't read. Either that, or you completely ignored what I wrote in parenthesis on the post you quoted.

 

By "insane" I didn't mean they were insane rumors. I meant it's insane to think the Marlins were just trying to get rid of Hermida last year, considering they wanted Manny Ramirez back in return. Y'know...the same Manny Ramirez who's one of the best hitters in baseball? Those offers have nothing to do with trying to deal Hermida. More like sending Hermida in a package b/c you have to give to get.

 

I realize it's difficult for you to admit you're ever wrong Erick but trying to disguise what you said doesn't cut it. This is not the Politburo where words don't mean the same thing today they did yesterday. You do that all the time try to explain your way out of what you said. No soap.

 

Let me repeat myself, the Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year. End of story.

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...Second, they haven't been trying to trade Hermida for a year. More like the past month (unless if you're talking about the Manny Ramirez rumors last year, which is insane. If anything that says something for certain clubs believing in Hermida's potential...that's not just trading him for nothing). And a lot of that has to do with him underachieving this year, yes...also has a lot to do with his contract, and the fact he'll likely not be here next year.

 

 

I'll leave to others to decide what's insane and what is idolatry.

 

http://www.mlbtrader...-ramirez-3.html links to a dozen or so legitimate pieces on the subject not Tim Deirkes editorializing

 

http://www.fangraphs...y-hermida-deal/ a favorite website here

 

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=3511804

 

http://fantasysports...884&line=245556 USA Today recap

 

there are quotes in the above from virtually every reporter from Gammons to Olney to Rosenthal to Salibury referencing Hermida being part of that trade so please try to not tell me otherwise. The Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year...live with it.

 

 

That's great.

 

Too bad you can't read. Either that, or you completely ignored what I wrote in parenthesis on the post you quoted.

 

By "insane" I didn't mean they were insane rumors. I meant it's insane to think the Marlins were just trying to get rid of Hermida last year, considering they wanted Manny Ramirez back in return. Y'know...the same Manny Ramirez who's one of the best hitters in baseball? Those offers have nothing to do with trying to deal Hermida. More like sending Hermida in a package b/c you have to give to get.

 

I realize it's difficult for you to admit you're ever wrong Erick but trying to disguise what you said doesn't cut it. This is not the Politburo where words don't mean the same thing today they did yesterday. You do that all the time try to explain your way out of what you said. No soap.

 

Let me repeat myself, the Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year. End of story.

 

 

Lol, so you know what's going on inside my head now, too? What? Did you find the answers in your "great research?" Or did you tell others to research it for you, as you do a good portion of the time?

 

Trading Hermida for Manny is not trying to get rid of him. It's trying to get an all-time great/superior hitter to Hermida in hopes of making the playoffs. The fact Hermida was involved in the rumors goes to show that the other organizations still believed in Hermida's potential not so long ago.

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...Second, they haven't been trying to trade Hermida for a year. More like the past month (unless if you're talking about the Manny Ramirez rumors last year, which is insane. If anything that says something for certain clubs believing in Hermida's potential...that's not just trading him for nothing). And a lot of that has to do with him underachieving this year, yes...also has a lot to do with his contract, and the fact he'll likely not be here next year.

 

 

I'll leave to others to decide what's insane and what is idolatry.

 

http://www.mlbtrader...-ramirez-3.html links to a dozen or so legitimate pieces on the subject not Tim Deirkes editorializing

 

http://www.fangraphs...y-hermida-deal/ a favorite website here

 

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=3511804

 

http://fantasysports...884&line=245556 USA Today recap

 

there are quotes in the above from virtually every reporter from Gammons to Olney to Rosenthal to Salibury referencing Hermida being part of that trade so please try to not tell me otherwise. The Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year...live with it.

 

 

That's great.

 

Too bad you can't read. Either that, or you completely ignored what I wrote in parenthesis on the post you quoted.

 

By "insane" I didn't mean they were insane rumors. I meant it's insane to think the Marlins were just trying to get rid of Hermida last year, considering they wanted Manny Ramirez back in return. Y'know...the same Manny Ramirez who's one of the best hitters in baseball? Those offers have nothing to do with trying to deal Hermida. More like sending Hermida in a package b/c you have to give to get.

 

I realize it's difficult for you to admit you're ever wrong Erick but trying to disguise what you said doesn't cut it. This is not the Politburo where words don't mean the same thing today they did yesterday. You do that all the time try to explain your way out of what you said. No soap.

 

Let me repeat myself, the Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year. End of story.

 

 

Lol, so you know what's going on inside my head now, too? What? Did you find the answers in your "great research?" Or did you tell others to research it for you, as you do a good portion of the time?

 

Trading Hermida for Manny is not trying to get rid of him. It's trying to get an all-time great/superior hitter to Hermida in hopes of making the playoffs. The fact Hermida was involved in the rumors goes to show that the other organizations still believed in Hermida's potential not so long ago.

That's great. This organization has been ready and very willing to trade him for awhile now, though the price would have been much higher months ago.

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For now, all the franchise should ask for is to dump his 10M due in the next 2 years and hopefully get a couple of medium prospects back, perhaps one MLB ready by September if needed. I'd rather have Beinfest with 10M available over Hermida. I wish him well wherever he goes.

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...Second, they haven't been trying to trade Hermida for a year. More like the past month (unless if you're talking about the Manny Ramirez rumors last year, which is insane. If anything that says something for certain clubs believing in Hermida's potential...that's not just trading him for nothing). And a lot of that has to do with him underachieving this year, yes...also has a lot to do with his contract, and the fact he'll likely not be here next year.

 

 

I'll leave to others to decide what's insane and what is idolatry.

 

http://www.mlbtrader...-ramirez-3.html links to a dozen or so legitimate pieces on the subject not Tim Deirkes editorializing

 

http://www.fangraphs...y-hermida-deal/ a favorite website here

 

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=3511804

 

http://fantasysports...884&line=245556 USA Today recap

 

there are quotes in the above from virtually every reporter from Gammons to Olney to Rosenthal to Salibury referencing Hermida being part of that trade so please try to not tell me otherwise. The Marlins have been trying to trade Hermida for a year...live with it.

 

 

That's great.

 

Too bad you can't read. Either that, or you completely ignored what I wrote in parenthesis on the post you quoted.

 

By "insane" I didn't mean they were insane rumors. I meant it's insane to think the Marlins were just trying to get rid of Hermida last year, considering they wanted Manny Ramirez back in return. Y'know...the same Manny Ramirez who's one of the best hitters in baseball? Those offers have nothing to do with trying to deal Hermida. More like sending Hermida in a package b/c you have to give to get.

 

Too many things about that trade just don't jive. Including Beifest answering, "Can Manny pitch?" when he thought he was questioned about it last year at the Ice Cream Festival. If anything at all we were just being used by Boston and the Pirates for the best trade scenario they could get from the Dodgers. Manny was never coming here.

 

Herms has been on the block for over a year. He was given another chance by switching positions, and that has failed. He's back in RF and then replaced for defensive reasons late in games. Regardless of his streaks or hitting against certain pitchers, he is not producing runs. It should come as no surprise he is actively on the block again.

 

I could definetly live with bringing in a closer that we feel comfortable with taking the mound day in and day out. Most here have said that so many times the last 2 years, until any trade is rumored. I don't know enough about Capps to make a judgement on if he is that guy, but trading a guy that the FO seems intent on saying they don't have long term plans for here seems to be the right thing to do. If it's not going to be Capps, and it sure dosen't look like it will be, then it is going to be someone.

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It's BS though. Hermida is 25 years old. He had an . 870 OPS TWO YEARS ago. You can't just give up on him.

 

 

Hermida is currently not playing up to, nevermind exceeding, his contract. Next season he'll receive at least a million more, maybe two solely based on service time. In 2007 he was making chump change so getting hot for eleven weeks after missing the first month and a half of the season and putting up some phenomenal numbers in the process is great but this is 2009 and he's not. Nor is there any evidence he'll perform better in 2010. Someone can correct me but the closest to catching fire offensively this year was one five game streak. Otherwise his numbers have trended down for two months (more or less).

 

This is not a matter of "giving up" on anyone, it's solely a matter of moving on without a player who can't perform up to the level expected for what he's being a paid. There isn't a single person on this board who doesn't want Hermida to go on another eleven week ball bashing marathon but recognizing that he's looking less and less capable of that is just being realistic.

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It's BS though. Hermida is 25 years old. He had an . 870 OPS TWO YEARS ago. You can't just give up on him.

 

 

I think one of the reasons hes been rumored in most trades for a year now is because the fish have felt for almost a year that he isnt going to get much better. They see something that tells them he wont perform much better. Really i think last year would have been the best time to trade him as teams would have bought more into "well hes a 24 yr old with potential" but the more he plays and the less he shows the harder it is to trade him for something good in return.

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