Idk if you guys have read this, but the yanks are after snell supposedly.. Here's a piece from the article:

 

Two others in Indianapolis, starters Ian Snell and Tom Gorzelanny, are drawing interest. Snell had another strong start yesterday, and his ERA after six starts is 0.96. The New York Yankees have watched Snell in his past two starts. Gorzelanny has a 2.46 ERA after 14 starts there and, most important, has shown improved aggressiveness and velocity of late. -- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette .....Ben's Take: NYC tabloids would have a field day with Ian Snell's name.

 

 

Actually, and don't take this the wrong way, I read it and laughed...the idea that he'd survive better in NYC than Pittsburgh is gallows humor. Is the bronx really where you'd choose to go for a mental health break? :brigginbounce

 

I feel tremendously sorry for the guy as I do for Allison and Greinke and Ankiel and Zotto and the rest who for one reason or another just can/could not cope with a life most of us would think would be a glorious ride. It was one of the reasons that I thought perhaps a place like Miami might be a good landing spot for him, or Gorzelanny, both of whom I find interesting.

Well, NY would be nice for him since he's Puerto Rican and NY is full of PR's. I think Ian needs to shift over to a big city, hell, I'd be depressed if I was playing for Pittsburgh too, not only does it look boring to live there, but playing for the Pirated alone has to be depressing! I'll tell you one thing, I like his attitude, but many Beinfest sees him as a mental project that might affect the team. Look at what he said about pitching against the Rockies in 2007 "After last night's game Snell said: "Hopefully I won't pitch in Colorado because I know who it was (stealing signs) and I will kill that dude. If I pitch against them, I will get fined big time" Snell told MLB to get ready to dish out fines if he pitches against the Rockies."

An article came out today from PSD that states Beinfest saying he is looking to make a MAJOR move. He wants to improve now. From what I see the Blue jays are entering a fire sale at just the right time. With our problem at 3rd, what do you guys think of Scott Rolen? His value is prob at it's lowest and he is still a good defender at third and his bat is no question, and he is a proven vet. I believe his contract ends after next season and he is at about 11 million per year.

 

 

which article are you referring to?

 

Only one I can find is a Herald article, but all that says is:

 

``We're looking for ways to improve ourselves right now,'' said Admin Beinfest, the Marlins' president of baseball operations. ``We are active.''

It was on the forums section. Someone had posted it.

I'm pretty sure the jays will want us to pay Rolen's remaing contract. I think it be nice to have him but he costs to much.

I'm pretty sure the jays will want us to pay Rolen's remaing contract. I think it be nice to have him but he costs to much.

What about Troy Glaus? Do you guys think he could be a good adquisition? Just a thought. What about Mark Teahen?

I wonder what will cost us trading for any of those? We certainly need another bat in our lineup and another starter

It was on the forums section. Someone had posted it.

 

 

Pretty sure it was someone referencing MLBTR saying the Red Sox were looking to make a major move

Why not Russell Branyan? He's only signed to a 1 year deal at around 1.5 mil. The Mariners are probably in sell mode after their recent losing streak. Branyan would fit in well platooning with Bonifacio at 3B too--Boni vs. LHP and Branyan vs. RHP. He certainly fits the bill as a big bat...

Wow. You've forgotten more about baseball than I've ever known. Is that right? Get over yourself bro. Your pathetic. Wrong and pathetic. Most of what you've suggested I said is a flat out lie, but not surprising because that's the only way you roll. I never said for example the Pirates would eat his entire salary in a trade, prorata minimums aside, but I guess your argument only works if you say that's what I said. I said it was about risk management.

 

It's the same old same old with you. The hate. The bullying. The absolutism. The demand everyone agree no matter how off-base you are. You haven't changed one bit since you slithered in here.

 

We'll see as Ian Snell's career plays itself out who was closer to the truth. But if people actually went back and read what I said they'll see very little of it has anything to with your usual hate-filled tirade.

 

What Pittsburgh does about it is certainly not a lock. That team, especially with all the turmoil they've undergone internally may opt to get out from under the totality of that obligation and figure that since he is by every description damaged goods eating $3+/- million and getting a John Raynor (please don't fixate on the name, let me rephrase, a good projectible prospect) in return represents less risk and the potential for a higher reward than a guy who tells the media (paraphrasing) "I'm not interested in pitching for them again".

 

I mean, your own post last page defeats your own post here. This is why I love you. You are so predictably inconsistent. This is what I'm calling you ridiculous for. Even hinting Pitt is going to eat serious money on Snell is beyond ridiculous and you know it. This is not Boston and Julio Lugo. This is Pittsburgh. There are no lies. I'm not putting any words in your mouth. I'm honoring your request not to make fun of your John Raynor example (which I most certainly would because it's horrible). I'm flat out saying, your suggestion of Pittsburgh eating a substantial amount of money on Ian Snell for a relative non-prospect type player is idiotic. Feel free to disagree, but you're wrong. And if/when they move him, they will not be picking up significant amounts of his contract unless they are getting something significant back. I'm going to say it again. Ian Snell is an asset despite whatever mental condition he is in. Pittsburgh is a small/mid market team and cannot afford to simply give assets away. Baseball is a business, and despite the assumption Snell mentally cannot play for them anymore, doesn't mean they will simply give him away. Everyone always needs pitching. He would be an instant DFA claim if released, and half the teams in baseball would offer some sort of package, and accept large portions of his contract, to get a 27 year old starter a year removed from a 1.33 whip/177 K season and obliterating the arguably most competitive minor league division.

 

This is easy. As I said before, it's a good suggestion. It's a clear buy low. That's how the Marlins roll. It is not a buy nothing however. And that's it. You do this to yourself, you realize this.

 

I guess math isn't your strong suit. You seem to think I'm saying they eat his entire obligation for a projectible minor league prospect that you don't care for regardless of what others think of him (middle of the road guy, may or may not have an MLB future, with some tools). What I said, and thank you for quoting it, was they might opt to eat around $3 +/- million of the roughly $5.25 million they are still on the hook for plus a prospect in effort to at least save themselves $2 million if they feel their position is hopeless and right now Snell is telling them he affirmatively doesn't want to be in Pittsburgh after he feels he was treated by people there.

 

You want to disagree, that's fine, but at least stop the insults and bullying and mischaracterizations of what was said. Arguing that something another person allegedly said and didn't just on the face of it doesn't make a lot of sense nor does it accomplish in the end, anything. as I said to your young friend, let's see where this winds up when the dust settles, I'm comfortable with my stance, not the one you're trying to paint, but what I really said, because it's just common sense that if they have limited options, and a suicidal ballplayer who sent himself back to the minors just to get out of Pittsburgh would seem to limit their options, saving a couple of million is better than not saving a couple of million.

You are the king of insults, bullying, and mischaracterizations. I only act like this towards you so you realize how you treat everyone on the board. I don't have problems with really anyone here, except for you, your holiness. Should we count the people through the years from Swift, Ramp, to myself, bobbob, and now all the younger kids you feel like you can bully around. Pittsburgh is not going to eat $3-5 million ($3++++++ do you see what you write?) on Ian Snell when he is a young pitcher, under control for years, and having a Nolasco type resurgence in AAA. You seriously do not get it. Also, if the Pirates do sell Snell because he is a malcontent and does not want to be there, that sets a precedent for other players on the team to act like complete lunatics because they know they can bully the front office into a trade. You really think Pittsburgh will set that precedent? Please. And feel free to laugh at other posters, but NY is exactly the type of team that will swoop in and absorb the salary because they can and the risk/reward is worth it to them. This is not a CJ/Preston/Hampton type situation where a low market team is prepared to shed/absorb huge amounts of salary. God you are so obtuse.

The Marlins are capable of a blow them away deal for ADRIAN. Maybin, Uggla and Andrew Miller. How about that?

What about Troy Glaus? Do you guys think he could be a good adquisition? Just a thought. What about Mark Teahen?

I wonder what will cost us trading for any of those? We certainly need another bat in our lineup and another starter

 

Glaus, no. To much cash, to much health uncertainty.

 

Teahen is perfect. He can play everywhere, does not make a lot of guaranteed money the rest of the season, and does not have a guaranteed contract for 2010, but the Marlins would still control his rights to either keep him as a play everywhere DeRosa light, or trade him like they did with Mike Jacobs.

Just looked at an article. We could be players for Cleveland's Cliff Lee if we wanted to. They are looking for a young second basemen an addition to prospects. I'd love to have Lee in a Marlins UNI.

Just looked at an article. We could be players for Cleveland's Cliff Lee if we wanted to. They are looking for a young second basemen an addition to prospects. I'd love to have Lee in a Marlins UNI.

 

 

 

We definetly have the prospects to get Lee and Martinez (heard they wanted to package them) but I doubt they will do it. If we do, *drools*. Lee will obviously be a rental and Martinez will have a 7.5 million club option for next season but I doubt we will use it. So I'm not sure if we're willing to give up a lot for just rentals.

If we got lee and V Mart I'd go into shock along with most of the baseball world. I'm guessing we'd be giving up coghlan if they want a young 2B along with a few other guys?

Please Lou, you're just embarrassing yourself.

 

It's good to see in print that you are doing this with malice of forethought and that when I say for example "$3million +/-" you are willing to just lie through your teeth and pretend that means $5 million so you can make some spurious argument based on what you say I said rather than what I actually said. And now you are the victim...god you are sad.

 

Me thinks you doth protest too much.

According to Rotoworld, the Mariners are shifting into sellers

With our problem at 3rd, what do you guys think of Scott Rolen?

 

I would take Bonifacio 10 times out of 10 over Scott Rolen. At least Bonifacio isnt a malcontent primadonna who alienates his teammates and FO to such a degree that they will sell low on him just to get him out of town.

 

An upgrade over Bonifacio is needed though.

According to Rotoworld, the Mariners are shifting into sellers

 

I'll take Franklin Guttierez.

If we got lee and V Mart I'd go into shock along with most of the baseball world. I'm guessing we'd be giving up coghlan if they want a young 2B along with a few other guys?

 

 

 

As long as we don't move Stanton or Morrison I am fine with any other players. Again this is just wishful thinking, but man we would be big time contenders if we get Lee and Martinez

lee and martinez....odom and boozer ....vick...make it all happen!

Just read on mlbtr that marlins are split on wether to get a SP or a hitter. looks like they have given up on getting bullpen help ( ) and are looking to really help this team

also read red sox are looking at bloomquist and cody ross

I'm really amazed at how many teams appear to have a legitimate interest in Ross. That's not in any way a disparaging comment about him, I'm just surprised at the level of interest.

If we got lee and V Mart I'd go into shock along with most of the baseball world. I'm guessing we'd be giving up coghlan if they want a young 2B along with a few other guys?

 

 

 

As long as we don't move Stanton or Morrison I am fine with any other players. Again this is just wishful thinking, but man we would be big time contenders if we get Lee and Martinez

The only that that would suck is we'd probably be renting them but if it got us to the PO I'd be happy.

You just proved nothing.

Lou wasn't questioning whether or not he had depression, he was questioning whether or not Pittsburgh would be willing to pay his salary, as you said. That article states absolutely nothing whatsoever about that.

 

 

His depression, *his* demons, his suicidal thoughts are the reason risk management becomes an important component in weighing his market value. That and the fact he says he doesn't want to pitch in or for Pittsburgh anymore. Either you didn't bother to read what was posted before this or you are just looking for an excuse to be you, I don't know, but it was cute, not very accurate but cute.

 

 

The only thing that's "cute" is suggesting that the Pirates would eat 3+ million and get a John Raynor type prospect, and then after being called out on it, you decided to insult MarlinsLou (which you later said he hasn't changed with the insults, etc...that's not a double standard or anything), and you posted an article proving nothing (b/c no one was doubting that he was having depression problems. The only thing being questioned was whether or not the Pirates were willing to take most of his remaining salary).

 

PS - Believe it or not, you're not the only person who has Google and knows how to use it. For some reason, you think "your" research is superior to everyone else's. It's not.

 

So I guess that means you didn't read what I wrote. I didn't think so.

 

As for insulting Lou what you mean is it's okay for Lou to attack me repeatedly in both an insulting and disparaging manner but if I say anything then Lou is the victim. Interesting. Hypocritical but interesting perspective.

 

What you continue to ignore (or just didn't bother to read) was the Pirates ALREADY ARE on the hook for 100% of what he's owed. And of course that he has wildly underperformed his contract to date. I understand you have to ignore that and the rest of the facts at hand otherwise it would look like you had an agenda here but I doubt Pittsburgh has many options or Snell many suitors willing to pick up his contract at anywhere near it's face value and possibly compensate the Bucs with a player for the opportunity to do so. I'm perfectly willing to see how it all plays out and revisit the subject when there's some kind of conclusion and see who was closest in their analysis. I'm comfortable with my position, my real position not the one you and Lou have tried to paint because the truth is alien to you both, and since my words are memorialized, here no matter how many times to you try and claim I said something different, you can neither change what I said or how I said it.

 

 

Ummm...you're the one crying over his insults, only to not be any better by insulting him back. But that's not hypocritical now is it?

Anyways...I don't see why a 27 year old pitcher who just a year and a half ago pitched over 200 innings with an ERA under 4, and a 1.3 WHIP with 177 K's wouldn't have many suitors. I'd say it'd definitely take more than a John Raynor type prospect to get him (especially if a team like Pittsburgh is also going to take approximately 3 mill of his salary, as well).

I'm not sure why in this economy "renting" isn't the way to go. With two months left roughly two-thirds of a player's contract for the season has already been paid and the acquiring team has had enough time to gauge what they're getting based on the player's performance to date.

 

Things really seem to be heating up too. It looks like there's a chance we might even wind up with a flood of transactions after all.

 

Congrats to Tim Dierkes and MLBTR, he's taken the Drudge Report model of aggregating rather than trying to be his own source, ala Rotoworld, and has created a really valuable resource. He's really come a long way in a year.