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my dead grandma can manage better than this f***ing IDIOT

Fredi didn't give up those hits.

Fredi didn't give up the home run to Dunn.

He didn't make bad moves, they just didn't end up right.

Fredi didn't give up those hits.

Fredi didn't give up the home run to Dunn.

He didn't make bad moves, they just didn't end up right.

 

The way he managed the pen in the 8th was terrible.

It seems like this becomes a mandatory thing, having a Fire Fredi thread after every other bad game.

 

Look, Fredi didn't give up the home run, Fredi didn't leave those runners on base, Fredi isn't the one out there throwing the game away in the 8th when you have a 4 run lead.

 

And come on, a thread like this after winning 10 in a row against a team? I mean since when did going 9-1 in a season up to this point against a team become unacceptable?

Fredi didn't give up those hits.

Fredi didn't give up the home run to Dunn.

He didn't make bad moves, they just didn't end up right.

 

The way he managed the pen in the 8th was terrible.

What would you have done, sir?

Everytime we lose a game one of these threads pop up. Enough is enough.

please.....but knowing our fo they wont

Sorry can't hang this on Freddi. Thread titles like this are stupid. I realize everyone's frustrated after a loss like this but please...

 

The offense contributing 3 runs (not counting JJ's homer) doesn't exactly get the job done.

 

And JJ just lost it for whatever reason. That slider Belliard hit was awful.

 

I'm still stunned.

 

 

We had our best bullpen guys out there. JJ fell apart and Pinto/Calero/Meyer couldn't bail him out.

It's one f***ing game. You are even lamer than I am after a tough loss.

 

Let me sum up your thoughts...WAAAAAH!!! :banghead :crying

You gotta be freaking kidding me.

 

What about the 10 runners we left on base when our offense couldn't come through with RISP?

 

How about blaming JJ for being ridiculously hittable in the 8th?

 

Pinto did his job in the 8th.

Kiko gave up a lucky single and got an out. It was the right decision to take him out of the game whether you like it or not - Kiko is our best reliever and had already thrown 11 pitches by that point, we don't want him to aggrevate any arm issues by having him throw potentially 20+.

Meyer gave up a bomb but has been very good usually this year. It was the right decision bringing him in.

 

We were just unlucky. Think about how many times we came back this year to beat the Nats when we shouldn't have.

 

Bloody hell some people here are stupid.

I have a bigger problem with Meyer throwing Dunn a hittable pitch after getting behind in the count. Dunn is the one guy you can't let beat you.

Fredi didn't give up those hits.

Fredi didn't give up the home run to Dunn.

He didn't make bad moves, they just didn't end up right.

 

The way he managed the pen in the 8th was terrible.

What would you have done, sir?

Put Meyer straight into the game when Johnson was struggling. He's better vs RHBs so that takes wasting Kiko vs Guzman and Willingham out of the equation and he has a .140 .200 .200 .400 line against in high leverage situations so that takes using Pinto's .257 .426 .343 .768 line in them, the worst on the team, out of the equation.

 

Also, he threw him straight into the fire to face the only National that has a career hit against him, Adam Dunn. You replace Johnson with Meyer immediately, you give yourself the best chance of not having to face Dunn.

 

The bottom line is the guy doesn't know what a split stat is. He sees a lefty come up, he automatically thinks to put a lefty in yet both of the lefties in this team's pen aren't LOOGYs. He came up cutting his teeth with Bobby Cox so it's not really surprising that he has no clue how to manage a bullpen. It's just ungodly frustrating and I'm not the only one who notices.

 

We need to sign an Arthur Rhodes type and have the FO instruct him that that is to be his only LOOGY.

 

We had our best bullpen guys out there. JJ fell apart and Pinto/Calero/Meyer couldn't bail him out.

 

They couldn't bail him out because they weren't used right. It was a classic case of over-managing. The fact that Fredi is afraid to use Meyer against a right handed batter when he's better against them is one of the most maddening things I can remember a Marlins manager doing (or not doing) in a while.

Fredi didn't give up those hits.

Fredi didn't give up the home run to Dunn.

He didn't make bad moves, they just didn't end up right.

 

The way he managed the pen in the 8th was terrible.

What would you have done, sir?

Put Meyer straight into the game when Johnson was struggling. He's better vs RHBs so that takes wasting Kiko vs Guzman and Willingham out of the equation and he has a .140 .200 .200 .400 line against in high leverage situations so that takes using Pinto's .257 .426 .343 .768 line in them, the worst on the team, out of the equation.

 

 

I realize you use stats to back up your point, but you're still trying to make Fredi look dumb by mentioning the guy who blew the game. I think that underscores just how silly these fire Fredi threads have gotten.

Fredi didn't give up those hits.

Fredi didn't give up the home run to Dunn.

He didn't make bad moves, they just didn't end up right.

 

The way he managed the pen in the 8th was terrible.

What would you have done, sir?

Put Meyer straight into the game when Johnson was struggling. He's better vs RHBs so that takes wasting Kiko vs Guzman and Willingham out of the equation and he has a .140 .200 .200 .400 line against in high leverage situations so that takes using Pinto's .257 .426 .343 .768 line in them, the worst on the team, out of the equation.

 

 

I realize you use stats to back up your point, but you're still trying to make Fredi look dumb by mentioning the guy who blew the game. I think that underscores just how silly these fire Fredi threads have gotten.

I don't think it's worthy of a(nother) thread like this and yes, I agree, they do get annoying, especially when the thread starter just flames away without providing any reason why they are doing so. But being just as mad at Fredi right now as anyone else is understandable and justified.

fredi is an average coach at best but tonite's lost isnt on him.In fact i could blame him for not replacing hermida with gload knowing how much this guy strikes out in key moments.Will we see ross gload in RF anytime soon?i dont think so.

fredi is an average coach at best but tonite's lost isnt on him.In fact i could blame him for not replacing hermida with gload knowing how much this guy strikes out in key moments.Will we see ross gload in RF anytime soon?i dont think so.

 

 

Welcome darkman! I think tonight's loss had a lot to do with Fredi. Johnson was pitching awesome until 3 straight singles. If I'm the manager he is done after 2 straight. Yes the pen faltered, but Fredi faltered more.

 

Oh, he is a terrible bullpen manager as well. For example: Lindstrom is just coming off the DL and the first night he was back Fredi dry humped him twice (dry hump=got him up for certain situations but h never actually pitched). All in all he threw about 50 pitches. The next night Fredi brings him in a tie game "easing him back in to facing major league hitting." So after getting humped the previous night he throws him into a close ball game knowing that his arm is tired.

 

Fredi makes a lot of stupid decisions and tonight was evident of that.

I'm not a fan of the guy, but for those saying he should've taken JJ out...I'd say that's dumb. JJ didn't even get to 100 pitches tonight, despite the struggles in the 8th. Shows how efficient and dominant he was before that inning. What happened...happens.

 

But it was our ace, entering the 8th inning with 82 pitches. I'd take my chances with JJ over anyone in the pen to get a big out. It didn't happen tonight. Just so happens his worst pitch of the night came with the bases loaded...a hanging slider to Belliard. I don't think it had anything to do with being tired though, as (well, we're in August...and again, he was well under 100), and the slider before that was filthy (to Belliard).

Some of you guys are scared of Heights you guys cant jump off fredi's wang the guy is a horrible Manager I'd bet theres more than a million people out there that can do a better job....

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i'm just saying, i'm not a fan of the whole "once a relief pitcher gets an out, take him out" philosophy. obviously there's more than one reason we lost this game (hermida...), but.... it doesn't mean fredi's not an idiot. did anyone who defending him watch the 8th?

i'm just saying, i'm not a fan of the whole "once a relief pitcher gets an out, take him out" philosophy. obviously there's more than one reason we lost this game (hermida...), but.... it doesn't mean fredi's not an idiot. did anyone who defending him watch the 8th?

 

 

 

It's called splits.

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i'm just saying, i'm not a fan of the whole "once a relief pitcher gets an out, take him out" philosophy. obviously there's more than one reason we lost this game (hermida...), but.... it doesn't mean fredi's not an idiot. did anyone who defending him watch the 8th?

 

 

 

It's called splits.

ok, cool. lets just throw out a different pitcher for every batter

i'm just saying, i'm not a fan of the whole "once a relief pitcher gets an out, take him out" philosophy. obviously there's more than one reason we lost this game (hermida...), but.... it doesn't mean fredi's not an idiot. did anyone who defending him watch the 8th?

 

 

 

It's called splits.

ok, cool. lets just throw out a different pitcher for every batter

 

 

You go by matchups. If a player has been hitting RHP better his whole career (i.e. Dunn), you go with the lefty (i.e. Meyer). Not that hard.

i'm just saying, i'm not a fan of the whole "once a relief pitcher gets an out, take him out" philosophy. obviously there's more than one reason we lost this game (hermida...), but.... it doesn't mean fredi's not an idiot. did anyone who defending him watch the 8th?

 

 

 

It's called splits.

My argument is that he played the splits horrifically.

i'm just saying, i'm not a fan of the whole "once a relief pitcher gets an out, take him out" philosophy. obviously there's more than one reason we lost this game (hermida...), but.... it doesn't mean fredi's not an idiot. did anyone who defending him watch the 8th?

 

 

 

It's called splits.

My argument is that he played the splits horrifically.

 

 

I don't think he played it horrifically. Yes, Meyer isn't a LOOGY, but you have to look at Dunn's numbers too. .114 higher OPS against RHP.

i'm just saying, i'm not a fan of the whole "once a relief pitcher gets an out, take him out" philosophy. obviously there's more than one reason we lost this game (hermida...), but.... it doesn't mean fredi's not an idiot. did anyone who defending him watch the 8th?

 

 

 

It's called splits.

My argument is that he played the splits horrifically.

 

 

I don't think he played it horrifically. Yes, Meyer isn't a LOOGY, but you have to look at Dunn's numbers too. .114 higher OPS against RHP.

 

He should've just brought in Meyer to face Morgan though, don't you think?

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