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Some claimed that the MSM at first were downplaying the fact that Army Maj. Nidal Hasan, the man (believed to be) responsible for the Fort Hood massacre, is a Muslim. Well, regardless of whether or not they did, they can't anymore.

 

It's coming out today that Maj. Hasan has at least made attempts to contact al-Qaeda...and U.S. intelligence knew about it! He also had links to a radical Muslim cleric who used to preach in the Washington, D.C., area but fled to Yemen and now runs a jihad blog.

 

This is not an act of terrorism. It was directed at our military by "one of our own". This is clearly an act of treason

 

The way this is unfolding, this feels like the Chris Benoit murder-suicide all over again.

There's only two things that have now been cleared about this incident.

 

1) Clearly this is President Bush's fault

 

2) Fox News must have somehow planted false evidence to fool abc into running this article.

 

Jokes aside. The big problem with this issue is that there is really no clear definition of what is a terrorist. Terrorism is not like La Cosa Nostra, where there is an upward and downward heirarchy which then fans out. In fact a terrorist organization is similar to the way a peer to peer network runs such as Kazaa a few years back.

 

So just because this guy didn't have a membership card in "Al-Qaeda" does not mean he isn't a terrorist.

Now that it's come out that the FBI had reason to suspect Hasan people are up in arms. It's funny how when those guys in Liberty City were arrested people were upset because they felt the authorities acted too prematurely. Now its the opposite. Damned if you do and damned if you don't I suppose.

if this is indeed true...apparently al-qaeda didnt listen or care what the guy had to say either...so...this leads me to believe that not one solitary person on this planet cared about the guy and he went off the wayyyyyyyy deep end because of that...to me, this feels like columbine more than an act of terrorism...those factors regarding his race and relgion are more coincidental, like the fact the columbine shooters were two, lonely, crazy emo kids...but that violence wouldnt typify the average muslim, nor emo kid

Allegedly, he had expressed serious opposition to the U.S. presence in the Middle East, he had contacted Al-Qaeda, and had been in the midst of a radical cleric. Why was the military about to send THIS person overseas to the conflicts? It seems extremely irresponsible, and it may very well have been what ultimately set him off.

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So just because this guy didn't have a membership card in "Al-Qaeda" does not mean he isn't a terrorist.

 

I always thought the definition of terrorism was obvious: acts of war directed at civilians.

 

This was someone in our own military executing an attack against people in our own military. This is treason, not terrorism.

I always thought the definition of terrorism was obvious: acts of war directed at civilians.

 

This was someone in our own military executing an attack against people in our own military. This is treason, not terrorism.

 

 

Although I tend to agree that attacks against military targets during a war, regardless of methodology, are not terrorism, in this case I may disagree depending upon the motive of the attacker. The reason is that it is an attack intended to inspire fear in the civilian population through an act of asymetrical warfare. The goal here appears to be political rather than military.

So just because this guy didn't have a membership card in "Al-Qaeda" does not mean he isn't a terrorist.

 

I always thought the definition of terrorism was obvious: acts of war directed at civilians.

 

This was someone in our own military executing an attack against people in our own military. This is treason, not terrorism.

 

The definition of terrorism is in no way clear nor obvious. The relevance isn;'t so much who the victims are as what the purpose or goal os the attack is. An attack that is intended to cause some sort of fear or apprehension in the civilian population for the purpose of changing some political outcome is terrorism.

 

If Timmy McVeigh had blown up that building because someone who worked there was sleeping with his gf, it wouldnt be terrorism.

 

As for treason?

 

"levying war against them [united States], or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort."

 

Did Hassan do this?

This is not an act of terrorism. It's pretty clear that he was a disturbed individual who snapped, and took it out on the military, which he believed caused his problems (which is possible, considering that there are about 500 Army psychologists to handle hundreds of thousands of soldiers). He had some major mental problems that went untreated (which has become really common lately in the military). There isn't any evidence that he had an agenda that involved terrorizing the country or the military or whatever. As far as him contacting that cleric, it appears that he was doing legitimate research into Islam and his faith, and wanted to hear what the guy thought. It was a stupid idea these days, when we're overtly wiretapping all inbound and outbound calls for suspicious things, but it's not a crime.

 

The whole thing is completely overblown. The fact that everyone's screaming TERRORIST even though no one has found any real evidence that he was working for anyone, or wrote anything suspicious that would suggest terrorism, screams of blatant racism because he's a Muslim. I'm not going to discount the fact that he's a mass murderer, but trying to label this terrorism is ludicrous until some information surfaces to corroborate those charges.

That's because you are using the "terrorist" mold attributed to the 9/11 hijackers. I think Cangelosi is right when he says that a terrorist doesn't need a Al Qaeda membership card.

 

Secondly, most of those mental health problems you are referring to are common among veterans. Hasan had not even been deployed yet. I just saw a headline today about suicide rates among military personnel being at record highs among combat veterans. This is what happens when a military has been fighting in the mountains of Afghanistan since 2001 and now appears to be marooned by indecisiveness and no clear objectives for victory.

 

He's been in the military for years, actually. Remember that he was a Major. He didn't want to go back to Afghanistan.

 

What I meant as far as the terrorist thing is that I have not seen any evidence that he was trying to do anything except lash out. Terrorism needs to be connected to some kind of political philosophy to qualify. With 9/11 and Oklahoma City, those attacks were done to make a political statement. I haven't seen anything to show that Hasan was trying to further extremist Muslim political goals.

This is not an act of terrorism. It's pretty clear that he was a disturbed individual who snapped, and took it out on the military, which he believed caused his problems (which is possible, considering that there are about 500 Army psychologists to handle hundreds of thousands of soldiers). He had some major mental problems that went untreated (which has become really common lately in the military). There isn't any evidence that he had an agenda that involved terrorizing the country or the military or whatever. As far as him contacting that cleric, it appears that he was doing legitimate research into Islam and his faith, and wanted to hear what the guy thought. It was a stupid idea these days, when we're overtly wiretapping all inbound and outbound calls for suspicious things, but it's not a crime.

 

The whole thing is completely overblown. The fact that everyone's screaming TERRORIST even though no one has found any real evidence that he was working for anyone, or wrote anything suspicious that would suggest terrorism, screams of blatant racism because he's a Muslim. I'm not going to discount the fact that he's a mass murderer, but trying to label this terrorism is ludicrous until some information surfaces to corroborate those charges.

 

 

 

You actually can't be racist against a Muslim, because being Muslim or of the Islamic faith is not a "Race". Although I do understand the point you're trying to make.

 

 

The problem is you're giving him the benefit of the doubt on contacting Al-Qaeda and the like based on that research. The problem I have with that is I don;t put it past any type of terror group or organized criminal to make up a cover like this 'research project' to throw people off of the higher ups.

Everyone take some care. I don't know why this isn't being spread through the news media, and I hope it isn't related to a fear of being seen as bigotted, but the web site this man used to attempt his contact to AQ has instructed 'brothers in the jihad' that are not part of a cell to just act alone. Do not attempt to get explosives, do not attempt to join or recruit, just go into places where people are vulnerable and kill them.

Everyone take some care. I don't know why this isn't being spread through the news media, and I hope it isn't related to a fear of being seen as bigotted, but the web site this man used to attempt his contact to AQ has instructed 'brothers in the jihad' that are not part of a cell to just act alone. Do not attempt to get explosives, do not attempt to join or recruit, just go into places where people are vulnerable and kill them.

 

 

 

Another thing I find funny about the "he's not a terrorist, he was mentlaly unstable" I mean I'm not a mental health professional, but I can't imagine anyone who straps a bomb to themselves and blows it up to murder innocent people being mentally stable.

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