Posted November 11, 200915 yr So there been a few published reports aka RUMORS that they Fish may look to move Matt Lindstrom? What is he scheduled to make this season? Thoughts?
November 11, 200915 yr So there been a few published reports aka RUMORS that they Fish may look to move Matt Lindstrom? What is he scheduled to make this season? Thoughts? i think that would be a mistake because if we dont give up on matt and leo in a few years we mave the best 1,2 punch to close a game in baseball.
November 11, 200915 yr is that a joke? best 1/2 punch in baseball? lindstrom will never be anything more then an erratic set up man. Nunez better not be on the move but he shouldnt be a closer either
November 11, 200915 yr So there been a few published reports aka RUMORS that they Fish may look to move Matt Lindstrom? What is he scheduled to make this season? Thoughts? i think that would be a mistake because if we dont give up on matt and leo in a few years we mave the best 1,2 punch to close a game in baseball. What?
November 11, 200915 yr is that a joke? best 1/2 punch in baseball? lindstrom will never be anything more then an erratic set up man. Nunez better not be on the move but he shouldnt be a closer either actually no that isnt a joke. just because u cant see the potential doesnt mean i dont. ive seen games where lindstrom has looked great closing the 9th and also seen leo look really good as well. if they can learn from their mistakes i do think they can be a pretty a nasty 8th and 9th inning shutdown pitchers.
November 11, 200915 yr So there been a few published reports aka RUMORS that they Fish may look to move Matt Lindstrom? What is he scheduled to make this season? Thoughts? i think that would be a mistake because if we dont give up on matt and leo in a few years we mave the best 1,2 punch to close a game in baseball. What? yeah man thats what. baha
November 11, 200915 yr is that a joke? best 1/2 punch in baseball? lindstrom will never be anything more then an erratic set up man. Nunez better not be on the move but he shouldnt be a closer either actually no that isnt a joke. just because u cant see the potential doesnt mean i dont. ive seen games where lindstrom has looked great closing the 9th and also seen leo look really good as well. if they can learn from their mistakes i do think they can be a pretty a nasty 8th and 9th inning shutdown pitchers. Look, every player in the major leagues has some form of talent for the sport, and that is how they got to the majors. Obviously with some players it is far more obvious than others (eg Hanley>>>Bonifacio). Yeh of course Lindstrom and Nunez have in the past had some good form and had some awesome outings, but so does every baseball player now and again. The reason that your statement is absurd is because they do not have the consistency to perform to the best of their abilities on every single outing. Whereas a guy like Mo Rivera, has consistently displayed his abilities and hence why he is possibly the best closer of all time. Nunez and Lindstrom will try to learn from their mistakes, and could be a good pairing at the back end of the bullpen, but the fact of the matter is that they are not good enough to be "nasty" and "shutdown pitchers" on a regular basis.
November 11, 200915 yr is that a joke? best 1/2 punch in baseball? lindstrom will never be anything more then an erratic set up man. Nunez better not be on the move but he shouldnt be a closer either actually no that isnt a joke. just because u cant see the potential doesnt mean i dont. ive seen games where lindstrom has looked great closing the 9th and also seen leo look really good as well. if they can learn from their mistakes i do think they can be a pretty a nasty 8th and 9th inning shutdown pitchers. Look, every player in the major leagues has some form of talent for the sport, and that is how they got to the majors. Obviously with some players it is far more obvious than others (eg Hanley>>>Bonifacio). Yeh of course Lindstrom and Nunez have in the past had some good form and had some awesome outings, but so does every baseball player now and again. The reason that your statement is absurd is because they do not have the consistency to perform to the best of their abilities on every single outing. Whereas a guy like Mo Rivera, has consistently displayed his abilities and hence why he is possibly the best closer of all time. Nunez and Lindstrom will try to learn from their mistakes, and could be a good pairing at the back end of the bullpen, but the fact of the matter is that they are not good enough to be "nasty" and "shutdown pitchers" on a regular basis. This. Lindstrom isn't even that young anymore, and Leo Nunez gives up HR's and XBH's at a terrible rate. This will never be the greatest setup/closer combo in baseball. I'd like to see the Marlins get rid of both, and have a cheap bullpen, getting guys like Kiko Calero (how they did last offseason)...and focus on other areas of the team.
November 11, 200915 yr is that a joke? best 1/2 punch in baseball? lindstrom will never be anything more then an erratic set up man. Nunez better not be on the move but he shouldnt be a closer either actually no that isnt a joke. just because u cant see the potential doesnt mean i dont. ive seen games where lindstrom has looked great closing the 9th and also seen leo look really good as well. if they can learn from their mistakes i do think they can be a pretty a nasty 8th and 9th inning shutdown pitchers. Look, every player in the major leagues has some form of talent for the sport, and that is how they got to the majors. Obviously with some players it is far more obvious than others (eg Hanley>>>Bonifacio). Yeh of course Lindstrom and Nunez have in the past had some good form and had some awesome outings, but so does every baseball player now and again. The reason that your statement is absurd is because they do not have the consistency to perform to the best of their abilities on every single outing. Whereas a guy like Mo Rivera, has consistently displayed his abilities and hence why he is possibly the best closer of all time. Nunez and Lindstrom will try to learn from their mistakes, and could be a good pairing at the back end of the bullpen, but the fact of the matter is that they are not good enough to be "nasty" and "shutdown pitchers" on a regular basis. i see what your saying about talent in the majors but your comparisons are ridiculous ,( hanley > boni ) and then rivera ? how many teams have had a rivera ? i just think that alot of marlin fans have been spoiled with our success and u expect every player to be an allstar and if not away with them. IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY . lindstrom can throw 100 mph with regularity that doesnt come around all the time , and a pretty darn good change up. if he can be taught some more control and how to spot that fastball just a little better he can be very nasty. all it takes is some tweaks in his game because he has the talent.and i dont see why we should give up on it
November 11, 200915 yr is that a joke? best 1/2 punch in baseball? lindstrom will never be anything more then an erratic set up man. Nunez better not be on the move but he shouldnt be a closer either actually no that isnt a joke. just because u cant see the potential doesnt mean i dont. ive seen games where lindstrom has looked great closing the 9th and also seen leo look really good as well. if they can learn from their mistakes i do think they can be a pretty a nasty 8th and 9th inning shutdown pitchers. Look, every player in the major leagues has some form of talent for the sport, and that is how they got to the majors. Obviously with some players it is far more obvious than others (eg Hanley>>>Bonifacio). Yeh of course Lindstrom and Nunez have in the past had some good form and had some awesome outings, but so does every baseball player now and again. The reason that your statement is absurd is because they do not have the consistency to perform to the best of their abilities on every single outing. Whereas a guy like Mo Rivera, has consistently displayed his abilities and hence why he is possibly the best closer of all time. Nunez and Lindstrom will try to learn from their mistakes, and could be a good pairing at the back end of the bullpen, but the fact of the matter is that they are not good enough to be "nasty" and "shutdown pitchers" on a regular basis. i see what your saying about talent in the majors but your comparisons are ridiculous ,( hanley > boni ) and then rivera ? how many teams have had a rivera ? i just think that alot of marlin fans have been spoiled with our success and u expect every player to be an allstar and if not away with them. IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY . lindstrom can throw 100 mph with regularity that doesnt come around all the time , and a pretty darn good change up. if he can be taught some more control and how to spot that fastball just a little better he can be very nasty. all it takes is some tweaks in his game because he has the talent.and i dont see why we should give up on it I will try and simplify what I was trying to say: Lindstrom has talent. Rivera has talent. Lindstrom has a 100 mph fastball which shows good technical ability/talent. Rivera has a cutter which has been devastating, showing his talent. Rivera has been able to consistently utilise his talent and perform at a high level. Lindstrom has not. Lindstrom could at some point be a good reliever/closer as he has the "talent", but so far he has not shown regularly he can make the most of his skills. Consistency is what defines the great players from the average, because as I said, they all have some form of talent.
November 11, 200915 yr Personally I'm not sure that Lindstrom's 2009 season wasn't a bit snakebit from the start and may very well turn out to be an aberration. I thought he looked awful last season from a mechanics standpoint, it was sometimes just plain painful to watch him pitch and I'm not talking about the result. He didn't have that motion in 2008, at least not as herky-jerky and so I'm guessing the Marlins will give him one more season with two new pitching coaches to see if he can regain his form. Could be I'm wrong and he's gone by Xmas but I doubt it, guys who throw cheese like that aren't easy to come by.
November 11, 200915 yr is that a joke? best 1/2 punch in baseball? lindstrom will never be anything more then an erratic set up man. Nunez better not be on the move but he shouldnt be a closer either actually no that isnt a joke. just because u cant see the potential doesnt mean i dont. ive seen games where lindstrom has looked great closing the 9th and also seen leo look really good as well. if they can learn from their mistakes i do think they can be a pretty a nasty 8th and 9th inning shutdown pitchers. Look, every player in the major leagues has some form of talent for the sport, and that is how they got to the majors. Obviously with some players it is far more obvious than others (eg Hanley>>>Bonifacio). Yeh of course Lindstrom and Nunez have in the past had some good form and had some awesome outings, but so does every baseball player now and again. The reason that your statement is absurd is because they do not have the consistency to perform to the best of their abilities on every single outing. Whereas a guy like Mo Rivera, has consistently displayed his abilities and hence why he is possibly the best closer of all time. Nunez and Lindstrom will try to learn from their mistakes, and could be a good pairing at the back end of the bullpen, but the fact of the matter is that they are not good enough to be "nasty" and "shutdown pitchers" on a regular basis. i see what your saying about talent in the majors but your comparisons are ridiculous ,( hanley > boni ) and then rivera ? how many teams have had a rivera ? i just think that alot of marlin fans have been spoiled with our success and u expect every player to be an allstar and if not away with them. IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY . lindstrom can throw 100 mph with regularity that doesnt come around all the time , and a pretty darn good change up. if he can be taught some  more control and how to spot that fastball just a little better he can be very nasty. all it takes is some tweaks in his game because he has the talent.and i dont see why we should give up on it I will try and simplify what I was trying to say: Lindstrom has talent. Rivera has talent. Lindstrom has a 100 mph fastball which shows good technical ability/talent. Rivera has a cutter which has been devastating, showing his talent. Rivera has been able to consistently utilise his talent and perform at a high level. Lindstrom has not. Lindstrom could at some point be a good reliever/closer as he has the "talent", but so far he has not shown regularly he can make the most of his skills. Consistency is what defines the great players from the average, because as I said, they all have some form of talent. your not understanding what im trying to say. name me right now how many pitchers on our staff can throw 99 ? ...... just matt right ? so not all players have that talent , im not saying to give him a ten year contract , just that 1 or 2 more years couldnt hurt. for the possibility that he can fix his inconsistency and be very valuable. is he in  arbitration ? whats he looking to make ?
November 11, 200915 yr Lex - I'm fine with keeping Lindstrom and seeing if he can improve, but my problem is about when you said he could be part of the "best 1,2 punch to close a game in baseball". Where do you get that idea from?
November 11, 200915 yr Author I dont see any reason to move him, I would like to see if he can improve.... which i think he def can and will
November 11, 200915 yr Who cares if he throws 100? That doesn't make a pitcher good/not good. Kyle Farnsworth throws gas...he sucks. If 100 is not located, it's going to get hit. And Lindstrom doesn't have a changeup. He has a slider and occasionally throws a splitter...his secondary pitches are inconsistent, just like him. With that said, if given the option, I'll take Lindstrom over Nunez. 1. Lindstrom doesn't give up HR's at will, which is a plus. 2. Lindstrom will be cheaper because he didn't end up notching as many saves as Leo. I would prefer if both left, but if I had to keep one, it would probably be Lindstrom. I really hope we don't keep both.
November 11, 200915 yr I wouldn't be upset if the Marlins move him. He isn't that good and certainly isn't worth the money it will take to keep him. He throws hard, but that's it.
November 11, 200915 yr Lex - I'm fine with keeping Lindstrom and seeing if he can improve, but my problem is about when you said he could be part of the "best 1,2 punch to close a game in baseball". Where do you get that idea from? im very optimistic lol
November 12, 200915 yr I'd like to keep Lindstrom for one more year, see if he has what it takes. Maybe he can turn out to be the closer we imagined him to be this season.
November 12, 200915 yr I wouldn't be upset if the Marlins move him. He isn't that good and certainly isn't worth the money it will take to keep him. He throws hard, but that's it. I wouldn't mind keeping him. If he can work out the kinks. Problem is that we won't really know the ifs until ST. Kinda hard to tell what the FO (or our new pitching coach) is thinking at this point, but if I was made to guess I would say he stays. The Winter Meetings should be very interesting for Marlins fans. But what you and some others are saying?? The exact same things were said about another pitcher in the past. Randy Johnson. Not that I am coming even close to comparing the two or their circumstances. Just saying.
November 12, 200915 yr He's not someone I would classify as a potentially great pitcher who just needs "kinks" worked out. He doesn't have good enough secondary pitches and becomes too reliant on his fastball. Even if coaches do work on his command to prevent him from walking a baserunner or two in the bottom of the ninth, his fastball is still incredibly hittable. Lindstrom and Nunez are the two most expendable arms in the bullpen as far as I'm concerned.
November 13, 200915 yr He's not someone I would classify as a potentially great pitcher who just needs "kinks" worked out. He doesn't have good enough secondary pitches and becomes too reliant on his fastball. Even if coaches do work on his command to prevent him from walking a baserunner or two in the bottom of the ninth, his fastball is still incredibly hittable. Lindstrom and Nunez are the two most expendable arms in the bullpen as far as I'm concerned. The only "kinks" that need to be worked out is him being healthy and participating in a full spring training. Can't throw secondary pitches very effectively if your arm isn't 100%. Every time he threw a breaking pitch he would feel a pinch in his elbow. An MRI, just 2 weeks ago, revealed an inflammed elbow with no structural damage to the tendons. The injury was a combination of lifting heavy weights and never being 100% from the WBC (in other words no spring training). His secondary pitches are good enough...he just doesn't throw them consistently. Can you be the most expendable posters on this forum? You should become just a little bit more narrow minded. I'm with Miller23...give him another year and see what happens. If not, there are 29 other teams that would love to have his arm. Hell, he might even get a pitching coach and a manager that believe in him too.
November 13, 200915 yr He's not someone I would classify as a potentially great pitcher who just needs "kinks" worked out. He doesn't have good enough secondary pitches and becomes too reliant on his fastball. Even if coaches do work on his command to prevent him from walking a baserunner or two in the bottom of the ninth, his fastball is still incredibly hittable. Lindstrom and Nunez are the two most expendable arms in the bullpen as far as I'm concerned. The only "kinks" that need to be worked out is him being healthy and participating in a full spring training. Can't throw secondary pitches very effectively if your arm isn't 100%. Every time he threw a breaking pitch he would feel a pinch in his elbow. An MRI, just 2 weeks ago, revealed an inflammed elbow with no structural damage to the tendons. The injury was a combination of lifting heavy weights and never being 100% from the WBC (in other words no spring training). His secondary pitches are good enough...he just doesn't throw them consistently. Can you be the most expendable posters on this forum? You should become just a little bit more narrow minded. I'm with Miller23...give him another year and see what happens. If not, there are 29 other teams that would love to have his arm. Hell, he might even get a pitching coach and a manager that believe in him too. There's a new pitching coach with the team this year. Just saying...if the Marlins choose to keep him and he continues his inconsistent ways, at what point do we just admit that he's just an inconsistent/average reliever? He's not getting any younger. It's now or never, for the guy who's supposed to be our dominant, lights out closer one day. I'd love to see it, but based on his track record (majors, minors, whatever), there's nothing that indicates that he'll become that great closer everyone wants him to be. So is this the year or what?
November 13, 200915 yr He's not someone I would classify as a potentially great pitcher who just needs "kinks" worked out. He doesn't have good enough secondary pitches and becomes too reliant on his fastball. Even if coaches do work on his command to prevent him from walking a baserunner or two in the bottom of the ninth, his fastball is still incredibly hittable. Lindstrom and Nunez are the two most expendable arms in the bullpen as far as I'm concerned. And I think the potential is there. He could be a very good one if he can harness that. It's not coaches just working on his command, it's getting him to have more confidence in other pitches. And Nunez still gets a bad rap on these boards.
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