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So looks like I'm wrong again with options, which is why never to take what I post in the offseason with options 100% until it's confirmed cuz we can't access all the information needed as pedestrians.

 

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Players that I have out of options that he doesn't: RVH, BC, and Paulino.

 

However, he also list Jorge Jimenez as being out of options (Jimenez has never been on a 40 man roster, ergo he couldn't have even had an option used). I assume this is an issue with him not understanding the rules to rule 5 players rather than the list being bad, or the person he asked for the list not understand the question.

 

This is what we do know in regards to the players

 

RVH:

2007-Optioned 4/24-6/5, 6/17-7/16

2008-Optioned 4/6-7/21, 7/27-end of season

2009-Optioned 6/4-7/20, 8/18-9/1

That's 3 option years used.

 

According to cots, to get 4th option year: A player may be eligible for a fourth option year if he has been optioned in three seasons but does not yet have five full seasons of professional experience. A full season is defined as being on an active pro roster for at least 90 days in a season. (If a player is put on the disabled list after earning 60 or more days of service in a single season, his time on the DL is counted.). I also e-mailed him last year after confusion with both DLC and Dallas and:

 

"A player with five professional seasons usually can't qualify for a fourth option, barring an injury.

To qualify for a fourth option year, a player must have used three options and have less than five pro seasons. So the player can have four, but five is too many.

 

You're right on De la Cruz. His first three option years were 2006-08. His 2003-04 short-season rookie ball stints do not count as full seasons. But his 2004-08 seasons give him five full seasons as a professional, so I don't believe he'd qualify for a fourth option.

McPherson had completed 5 full seasons as a pro (2002-06), but MLB granted Florida a fourth option for him because of his injury. (His first three options were used in 2004-06.)

I believe a club must file a request for a fourth option, and MLB must grant it. Injury exceptions like McPherson and Dan Meyer are almost more common than players getting one because they've played only four seasons as a pro."

RVH's first year of full season ball was 2004. That would mean he'd have 5 full years after the 2008 season. The only question then becomes his DL time. So it appears both his 2005 or 2006 (MILB transaction data is impossible to find on the internet) did not count as a full year. That would mean that last year he would have had his 3rd optioned used while only having 4 years of pro service time, giving him a 4th option.

 

BC:

2007-Optioned 7/1-9/4

2008-Optioned 4/8-5/2

2009-Optioned 8/1-8/26

 

Again, 3 options used. However, BC definitely has 5 years of pro ball (2008-2009). So then they must have filed a request for a fourth option year because BC missed almost all of 2008, and MLB granted it.

 

Paulino though was my bad. He had been down in the minors in 2007 for 19 days. You need 20 days for an option to be used. So he has one option left.

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Also just realize that he doesn't list Anibal - This means either an option was given back to him after he won his grievance for 2007*, or he got a 4th option due to injury.

 

*Grievance was that the Marlins optioned him even though he was injured (Against the rules), with the Marlins claiming they were ignorant towards his injury. Anibal won, which for him meant he got payed like a ML player instead if a MILB player and also a year closer to arbitration/free agency. Since that MILB time was then changed to ML time, I wasn't sure if an option was revoked or not.

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And for good measure, here's just the list of players on the Marlins 40 man and their assumed option status:

 

Burke Badenhop: 2 options left

Jay Buente: 3 options left

Jose Ceda: 3 options left

Kris Harvey: 3 options left

Josh Johnson: 3 options left

Hunter Jones: 2 options left

Chris Leroux: 2 options left

Cristhian Martinez: 2 options left

Dan Meyer: Out of options

Andrew Miller: 1 option left

Ricky Nolasco: 2 options left

Leo Nunez: Out of options

Hayden Penn: Out of options

Renyel Pinto: Out of options

Brian Sanches: Out of options

Anibal Sanchez: 1 option left

Brett Sinkbeil: 3 options left

Taylor Tankersley: 1 option left

Ryan Tucker: 1 option left

Rick VandenHurk: 1 option left

Chris Volstad: 3 options left

Sean West: 2 options left

Tim Wood: 2 options left

 

John Baker: 2 options left

Ronny Paulino: 1 option left

Brett Hayes: 2 options left

 

Emilio Bonifacio: 1 option left

Jorge Cantu: 2 options left

Hanley Ramirez: 2 options left

Gaby Sanchez: 2 options left

Dan Uggla: 3 options left

 

Brett Carroll: 1 option left

Chris Coghlan: 3 options left

Scott Cousins: 3 options left

Cameron Maybin: 1 option left

Jai Miller: 1 option left

Cody Ross: Out of options

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This is fantastic, fantastic, news if we can stick RVH in NOLA for most of 2010. Also, this makes the Marlins signing a crap of vagabond veterans (McClung, Veras, Turnbow, Strickland), much more explainable as they really are going to have a legitimate shot for the roster now without blocked options. Also, it would be nice to stick Anibal in AAA if he falters too, although I suspect he will always be on the MLB roster/injured.

 

AAA is going to look pretty insane. I have no idea how they are going to get the 20 guys slotted for there innings.

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Man, sucks that Hayden Penn is out of options, because I really don't want him to be on the major league squad this year, but want to get him some seasoning in the minors and be available to get called up if any of our guys fail.

 

 

The thing with Penn is that he was waived DFA'd last year and nobody claimed him then when he was out in the open. We could easily do this again and I don't know if Penn has shown any other team that he is worth being given a spot. If he happens to show any other team that, it's hard to imagine that he won't show the Marlins that when we need him as bad as any other team.

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Man, sucks that Hayden Penn is out of options, because I really don't want him to be on the major league squad this year, but want to get him some seasoning in the minors and be available to get called up if any of our guys fail.

 

 

The thing with Penn is that he was waived DFA'd last year and nobody claimed him then when he was out in the open. We could easily do this again and I don't know if Penn has shown any other team that he is worth being given a spot. If he happens to show any other team that, it's hard to imagine that he won't show the Marlins that when we need him as bad as any other team.

 

Can't do it a second time (well, as easily). After we DFA'd him and nobody claimed him, we "outrighted" him to AAA. You can only outright a player once. If we were to DFA him, and he clears waivers, he has his choice of becoming a free agent or accepting the assignment to AAA. Maybe he accepts (As you say, if no one claims him, that means no one wants him on their 25 man roster, meaning he isn't going to get better than AAA from anyone). Or maybe he wants to live somewhere else, or be on a team with a perceived better chance of competing, or a team with a perceived better chance to come back to the majors, or ect ect.

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Is Penn even on the 40-man or was he brought back on a minor league contract? Obviously if he is on the 40-man he would have to be taken off, but if he isn't on the 40-man the whole question may be null and void.

 

 

Yes, he's on the 40-man.

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