Rotoworld:

 

Joe Frisaro of MLB.com speculates that the Marlins may turn to Emilio Bonifacio as a leadoff hitter.

 

Because it worked out so well before? The main motivation is that both Chris Coghlan and Cameron Maybin are struggling so badly at the top of the lineup, but keep in mind that for all of his elite speed, Bonifacio batted just .257/.299/.312 out of the leadoff spot with the Fish last season. Bonifacio is currently batting an underwhelming .257/.286/.351 with Triple-A New Orleans, but of most interest here, he has played seven games in center field. It's only a hypothetical right now, but Frisaro writes that a move "could be coming quickly." Stay tuned.

I know that some players just struggle but if they continue to make bad mistakes we might have to remove Maybin or Cogs. Gaby has done well in adjusting to "mistakes" but Cogs and Maybin haven't shown much improvement lately.

Hopefully this is just a threat to motivate Maybin and Cogs.

I swear if we revert to this crap again I'm gonna lose it. I just can't wait to see Boni k at pitches above his head then once in while reach first only to get picked off.

Maybin just may not be ready for the majors. I don't know. I don't pretend to know. I suspect his tentativeness at the plate and on some flyballs is a sign of a lack of maturity, NOT a lack of talent.

 

Every person matures at a different pace. Ballplayers don't all get it at 20 years old or 23 years old or any set in stone age. I watch him do some things very well and then I watch him double clutch or check a swing at a pivotal moment and I think (just my opinion) he needs more seasoning and more importantly needs to find himself on this planet. I still believe there is an incredible ballplayer there, somewhere.

 

As for Bonifacio, if Maybin goes down and he comes up to play center I think we can all agree its a stopgap move because the FO has something else in mind and hopefully we don't have to go through another summer of bigotry and hatred we saw here last season because it's counterproductive to the board and a waste of good bandwidth. He is who he is. We don't need to beat that dead horse again.

 

Whether you like it or not the man can play the outfield (as well as be used to fill a utility role). And it may hasten the arrival of Stanton so in the end its a win/win for the team.

I don't understand why it wouldn't be better to put Cody in CF everyday and let BC get a bunch of starts.

 

This is just speculation, though.

 

I'm lost on Maybin. I have no idea what to do with him, but he looks terrible at the plate.

I don't understand why it wouldn't be better to put Cody in CF everyday and let BC get a bunch of starts.

 

This is just speculation, though.

 

I'm lost on Maybin. I have no idea what to do with him, but he looks terrible at the plate.

 

 

Don't disagree at all.

 

My thinking is the FO has a grander plan in store that will take time to role out and these moves are just temporary.

I don't understand why it wouldn't be better to put Cody in CF everyday and let BC get a bunch of starts.

 

This is just speculation, though.

 

I'm lost on Maybin. I have no idea what to do with him, but he looks terrible at the plate.

 

 

Don't disagree at all.

 

My thinking is the FO has a grander plan in store that will take time to role out and these moves are just temporary.

Would that be Stanton in RF?

I don't understand why it wouldn't be better to put Cody in CF everyday and let BC get a bunch of starts.

 

 

If you do that I wish you were the manager the next few weeks.

I don't understand why it wouldn't be better to put Cody in CF everyday and let BC get a bunch of starts.

 

This is just speculation, though.

 

I'm lost on Maybin. I have no idea what to do with him, but he looks terrible at the plate.

 

 

Don't disagree at all.

 

My thinking is the FO has a grander plan in store that will take time to role out and these moves are just temporary.

Would that be Stanton in RF?

 

I could guess like everyone else but honestly I have no idea and neither does anyone else definitively. It's fun to speculate anyways!

 

Could be or there could a trade or series of trades.

So the Marlins think that they can solve this problem by replacing a .240 OBP player and a .304 OBP player at the ML level with a .286 OBP player in the PCL? Does that make sense?

 

Oh, wait, Bonifacio is fast...

If this happens, I will seriously cancel my cable package which is hard to afford for me right now and I have it pretty much so I don't miss out on the Marlins games. This team already sucks bad enough as it is, and putting in a useless Bonifacio would make it unbearable.

I don't understand why there's so much hate for Bonifacio. He's REALLY fast!

If they want speed in the OF and want to let Cogs get his mind together, they could always try Raynor. I read we got him back yesterday from the Pirates after they designated him for assignment.

 

Personally, I think they just need to bide their time till Cogs finally puts it together and starts hittign again. Maybe he's jsut a traditionally slow starter. Besides, there's more wrong with the team than the top 2 hitters getting on base. When you load up the bases in the 8th and 9th innings and can't score a single run, that's embarassing.

surely this can't be real.

 

let's just cut Coghlan all together and get Chris Aguila to play LF

I seriously doubt this. Boni was sent to AAA to get the ABs in so he could work on pitch selection. Just glancing at his stats there, he still needs the work. You don't call up a guy that fits into future plans and needs the ABs just so you can have a decent defensive replacement or occasional PR. Ain't happening. The Boni haters can relax and hold back their exaggerations for a while yet.

I seriously doubt this. Boni was sent to AAA to get the ABs in so he could work on pitch selection. Just glancing at his stats there, he still needs the work. You don't call up a guy that fits into future plans and needs the ABs just so you can have a decent defensive replacement or occasional PR. Ain't happening. The Boni haters can relax and hold back their exaggerations for a while yet.

 

What exaggeration? The only person I remember exaggerating regarding Boni was you my friend.

I seriously doubt this. Boni was sent to AAA to get the ABs in so he could work on pitch selection. Just glancing at his stats there, he still needs the work. You don't call up a guy that fits into future plans and needs the ABs just so you can have a decent defensive replacement or occasional PR. Ain't happening. The Boni haters can relax and hold back their exaggerations for a while yet.

 

What exaggeration? The only person I remember exaggerating regarding Boni was you my friend.

 

Then you need to go back and check all those posts. All I ever did was show where the exaggerations and outright lies were by posting the real numbers. That's called reality. Just because I refused to, and still do, join the "I Hate Boni" cool guy clique dosen't mean I exaggerated anything. No need to. He is what he is, a work in progress.

I swear if we revert to this crap again I'm gonna lose it. I just can't wait to see Boni k at pitches above his head then once in while reach first only to get picked off.

 

Pay attention Rab. This is how you use the real numbers to dispel the exaggerations.

 

So how did he manage to score 72 times and successfully stole 21 times out of 30 attempts? While you go look to see if those numbers are true, also check out his K : AB ratio compared to the rest of the team. It was actually better than the team average by the end of the season.

 

Right now he is where he needs to be. Learning better pitch slection and learning to keep the ball on the ground instead of getting it in the air. He won't be coming up any time soon.

I seriously doubt this. Boni was sent to AAA to get the ABs in so he could work on pitch selection. Just glancing at his stats there, he still needs the work. You don't call up a guy that fits into future plans and needs the ABs just so you can have a decent defensive replacement or occasional PR. Ain't happening. The Boni haters can relax and hold back their exaggerations for a while yet.

 

What exaggeration? The only person I remember exaggerating regarding Boni was you my friend.

 

Then you need to go back and check all those posts. All I ever did was show where the exaggerations and outright lies were by posting the real numbers. That's called reality. Just because I refused to, and still do, join the "I Hate Boni" cool guy clique dosen't mean I exaggerated anything. No need to. He is what he is, a work in progress.

Didn't have to be a cool guy to hate Boni, just dislike bad baseball play. When he was up here he did just about nothing well, using real numbers. He couldn't hit for average, hit for power, walk, run the bases, field (well, he actually improved on that as the year went along). He couldn't do anything.

 

There was no way to exaggerate just how bad he was when in the 2009 MLB season he was almost certainly the worst starting position player in all of baseball. And if you want to argue that fact how about you go and name the guy who was worse?

 

.252/.303/.308; 21 SB, 9 CS, 8 PO; 8th in the league in errors (with less playing time than everyone above him).

I swear if we revert to this crap again I'm gonna lose it. I just can't wait to see Boni k at pitches above his head then once in while reach first only to get picked off.

 

Pay attention Rab. This is how you use the real numbers to dispel the exaggerations.

 

So how did he manage to score 72 times and successfully stole 21 times out of 30 attempts? While you go look to see if those numbers are true, also check out his K : AB ratio compared to the rest of the team. It was actually better than the team average by the end of the season.

 

Right now he is where he needs to be. Learning better pitch slection and learning to keep the ball on the ground instead of getting it in the air. He won't be coming up any time soon.

21 for 30 is not a good number (you need to get at least 75%), and that's 21 steals in 38 base-plays (that's CS plus pickoffs). There's nothing good about getting thrown out 45% of the time.

I don't understand why it wouldn't be better to put Cody in CF everyday and let BC get a bunch of starts.

 

This is just speculation, though.

 

I'm lost on Maybin. I have no idea what to do with him, but he looks terrible at the plate.

 

 

Don't disagree at all.

 

My thinking is the FO has a grander plan in store that will take time to role out and these moves are just temporary.

 

Maybe the grand plan is seeing if they can trade Miller, Hopper and Maybin back to the Tigers for Cabrera.

21 for 30 is not a good number (you need to get at least 75%), and that's 21 steals in 38 base-plays (that's CS plus pickoffs). There's nothing good about getting thrown out 45% of the time.

 

 

Yeah, this.

 

He was actually a pretty good baserunner if he didn't get caught stealing or picked off so often, but those two things are so basic and so negative that they negate his gains for the most part.

 

As for "How did he score 72 runs?" He was in the lineup. I mean, that's pretyt much it.

 

He did score a high percentage of times when he was on base, but I think most of that can be attributed to hitting in front of our best players all year. If you look at how many runs he scored as a percentage of his PAs, he doesn't come out very good:

 

Bonifacio: 14.1%

Cody: 12.1%

Uggla: 12.6

Baker: 13.9

Hanley: 15.5

Coghlan: 16.7

Maybin: 15.1

Nick Johnson: 16.0

Gload: 12.7

 

But hey, he was better than Cantu and Hermida by significant margins, so he's cool!

 

If he wasn't hitting leadoff he wouldn't have scored so often, it was mostly a product of hitting in front of our best players, with a little bit of his skill thrown in and almost negated by his baserunning miscues.

The title of this thread is so optimistic.

Petersen seems to be pretty fast, although his CS% sucks.