Rosenthal reports Cantu & Ross on the market

[Marlins2003]

The Marlins have made infielder Jorge Cantu and outfielder Cody Ross available, major-league sources say, but are holding off — for now — on second baseman Dan Uggla and right-hander Ricky Nolasco.

 

Cantu, a potential free agent, would be ideal for the Rockies, an even better fit than Uggla, who likely will earn $10 million in arbitration next season. The Rockies want a right-handed, run-producing corner bat, and are unsettled at first without Todd Helton, who is on the disabled list with lower back stiffness.

 

The Rockies discussed trading infielder Clint Barmes and a prospect for Uggla last offseason. But if they added Cantu, they could use Barmes and Jonathan Herrera at second after Troy Tulowitzki returns from the DL in August.

 

The downside of adding Cantu is that it might force the team to part with Melvin Mora, who is well-regarded by his teammates and has a .359 on-base percentage since May 28.

 

For now, the Rockies will ride the Brad Eldred/Jason Giambi platoon at first and wait for Helton to return, knowing his defense, at least, is an asset. The team also might need bullpen help; right-hander Taylor Buchholz is struggling in his rehabilitation assignment at Triple-A.

 

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(***Thanks to whichever mod fixed my original message and posted this in its place. Darn keyboard cable came loose.***)

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[Iowa]

I can't see Nolasco being on the market

[alejandrasnow]

Unfortunately I'm having a computer glitch, can't cut or paste either from the menu or shortcut, but it's on Fox Sports Ken Rosenthal site. Doesn't make any guesses about who the Marlins might want in return.

 

***If a mod wants to fix this post by adding the link go ahead or if someone wants to post it below - great!!!. ****

 

 

If the FO thinks it's for the best and that they can acquire some good players for them obviously I'm going to support the decision but... but..... Cody is my favorite!!!

[Marlins2003]

I have no problem trading Ross and/or Cantu so long as the end result is a (combined) better OBP, a higher RISP and better defense at least at one of the positions.

[Sirspud]

Trading Ross would allow us to give more PT to Emilio Bonifacio.

[Sirspud]

Unfortunately I'm having a computer glitch, can't cut or paste either from the menu or shortcut, but it's on Fox Sports Ken Rosenthal site. Doesn't make any guesses about who the Marlins might want in return.

 

***If a mod wants to fix this post by adding the link go ahead or if someone wants to post it below - great!!!. ****

 

 

If the FO thinks it's for the best and that they can acquire some good players for them obviously I'm going to support the decision but... but..... Cody is my favorite!!!

 

Cody's my favorite too...honestly I'm worried that there really aren't good players to be acquired for either guy at this point. But clearly, the FO is floating the two guys who they have clear candidates to replace them with (Morrison and Maybin). Uggla could be included in that category as well, as Cogs would be more comfortable at second than third, but he's been more productive than the other two guys.

[gizmo]

Cantu, I am all for trading.

 

Ross, however, I would hand on to unless it's clearly evident that Maybin can stay up and be as productive as we'd hope.

[Marlins2003]

Depending on how they go about filling whatever need arises from one or both of these moves, one thing has become clear to me this season - and that is there is so much talent out there from around the world flooding major league baseball right now, that if our scouts and talent evaluators do their jobs, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Not just among prospects but good everyday major leaguers who are being pushed out because of their salaries by quality kids coming up and the fear of being stuck with salaries they can't handle in a worsening economy.

 

I'm, for what it's worth, very happy to get "rent a players" (vs. prospects) in return for the above-mentioned guys if the net effect is an improved ballclub 2010.

 

I know I'm in a minority on this but such is life.

 

I also think Robertson will go before the end of July if West can throw two or three competitive starts in AAA. We have zero investment in Nate thanks to the Tigers and while a lot of people don't like him, I suspect a number of GMs would be happy to have an experienced lefty either as their fifth starter or in their pen.

[Shaft]

who would replace Cantu at 3rd base? In the long run, and short run?

[gizmo]

who would replace Cantu at 3rd base? In the long run, and short run?

 

 

Short run: Coghlan

 

Long run: Dominguez eventually

[Shaft]

who would replace Cantu at 3rd base? In the long run, and short run?

 

 

Short run: Coghlan

 

Long run: Dominguez eventually

 

Coghlan, seriously? I know people have been talking about moving him back to the infield eventually since he was a natural 2nd baseman, but isn't he leading the national league in outfield assists? He's gotten so good over there at left field, I don't wanna see him move. I know our options can be very limited, but am I the only one really hoping he just stays in the outfield? Has Gaby ever played 3rd base? and Morrison eventually covers 1st?

[Sirspud]

Cantu, I am all for trading.

 

Ross, however, I would hand on to unless it's clearly evident that Maybin can stay up and be as productive as we'd hope.

 

 

We're gonna have to find out whether or not Maybin can get it done at the major league level, because I just don't think the FO is interested in giving Ross a longterm contract. I haven't seen Maybin getting it done enough at the ML level to feel assured that he could be a genuinely productive player. But we need to give him not just a couple week audition, but a genuine chance to adjust to major league pitching. Ironically, he was at least squaring up more pitches when we sent him down this year, but the overall numbers just weren't good.

 

There really isn't going to be a better chance to break Maybin in than the second half of a season that is, if not lost already, at least stagnant enough that it's hard to worry about something impacting the team negatively when they are already a couple games under .500. Keep in mind, I'm putting my favoritism for Cody aside as well in trying to look at this objectively.

[Shaft]

Cantu, I am all for trading.

 

Ross, however, I would hand on to unless it's clearly evident that Maybin can stay up and be as productive as we'd hope.

 

 

We're gonna have to find out whether or not Maybin can get it done at the major league level, because I just don't think the FO is interested in giving Ross a longterm contract. I haven't seen Maybin getting it done enough at the ML level to feel assured that he could be a genuinely productive player. But we need to give him not just a couple week audition, but a genuine chance to adjust to major league pitching. Ironically, he was at least squaring up more pitches when we sent him down this year, but the overall numbers just weren't good.

 

There really isn't going to be a better chance to break Maybin in than the second half of a season that is, if not lost already, at least stagnant enough that it's hard to worry about something impacting the team negatively when they are already a couple games under .500. Keep in mind, I'm putting my favoritism for Cody aside as well in trying to look at this objectively.

 

Agreed on everything

[Fishes on the Pond]

Unfortunately I'm having a computer glitch, can't cut or paste either from the menu or shortcut, but it's on Fox Sports Ken Rosenthal site. Doesn't make any guesses about who the Marlins might want in return.

 

***If a mod wants to fix this post by adding the link go ahead or if someone wants to post it below - great!!!. ****

 

 

If the FO thinks it's for the best and that they can acquire some good players for them obviously I'm going to support the decision but... but..... Cody is my favorite!!!

 

:no :nono :o

[Rabbethan]

CC still isn't good in LF. He takes bad routes which hurts his range and routinely airmails throws to home. He has gotten a ton of dude's at 2nd base recently, but I think this is more due to scouting reports saying that you can stretch a single into a double against him and people trying to take that extra base.

 

I'm gonna miss Cody, he's been one of my favorites since '06, but he just isn't in the plans and is a FA before the new ballpark.

[Fishes on the Pond]

Cantu, I am all for trading.

 

Ross, however, I would hand on to unless it's clearly evident that Maybin can stay up and be as productive as we'd hope.

 

 

So far from what I've seen from Maybin I'm very uncertain whether he's ready to take over fulltime. He seems to have range in the outfield, but he seems to lack consistent offense. Maybe he'll never be what he is suppose to be. Maybin wouldn't be the first one who didn't pan out. Remember Hermida. I would rather keep Cody who may be a little streaky at the plate, but wait a couple days and he'll be fine. Also he has an awesome work ethic!!

[Marlins2003]

After Maybin's injury problem, and I'm not sure how serious it is or not, I can't see the front office risking the rest of the season on him being our everyday centerfielder, purely from a health perspective. I'll leave to others to decide if he can find his way with a bat or play a ML centerfield for a winning team, I'd not risk next season when I'm confident we can find an adequate CFer before the end of the month (assuming Cody is gone).

[Entendu]

who would replace Cantu at 3rd base? In the long run, and short run?

 

 

Short run: Coghlan

 

Long run: Dominguez eventually

 

Coghlan, seriously? I know people have been talking about moving him back to the infield eventually since he was a natural 2nd baseman, but isn't he leading the national league in outfield assists? He's gotten so good over there at left field, I don't wanna see him move. I know our options can be very limited, but am I the only one really hoping he just stays in the outfield? Has Gaby ever played 3rd base? and Morrison eventually covers 1st?

 

I get the feeling that it isn't so much of Coghlan being good as it is people underestimating him. He can't be worse than Cantu at third.

[sgleason02]

Personally, I don't see Coghlan moving to the infield until next season. Right now, we're thin on major league ready OF'ers. With our starting CF on the trading block, our RF'er a 20-year-old rookie hitting .231, our 4th OF being a utility player who's spent more time in the minor leagues than the majors this season, and our two best minor league options being a guy who couldn't cut it in the 1st half and was demoted and a guy who's never looked at a major league pitch, I don't think you touch the only guy solidifying a starting spot in the OF.

 

If you trade Cody AND move Coghlan to the infield, that means choosing TWO everyday OF'ers and a 4th OF'er from the likes of Maybin, Morrison, Bonifacio, and Carroll, while in the meantime, depending on Stanton performing well enough to stay up for the entire second half. I think the more likely scenario if Cantu is traded is for Helms and Bonifacio to split time at 3B.

[enterthemadness]

Bye bye Cantu and Ross. If the team does keep Uggla and Ricky I will be happy.

 

Maybe Cantu will get hot again in Colorado...

 

Cody I will miss. His streaking batting avg I won't.

[Sirspud]

Personally, I don't see Coghlan moving to the infield until next season. Right now, we're thin on major league ready OF'ers. With our starting CF on the trading block, our RF'er a 20-year-old rookie hitting .231, our 4th OF being a utility player who's spent more time in the minor leagues than the majors this season, and our two best minor league options being a guy who couldn't cut it in the 1st half and was demoted and a guy who's never looked at a major league pitch, I don't think you touch the only guy solidifying a starting spot in the OF.

 

If you trade Cody AND move Coghlan to the infield, that means choosing TWO everyday OF'ers and a 4th OF'er from the likes of Maybin, Morrison, Bonifacio, and Carroll, while in the meantime, depending on Stanton performing well enough to stay up for the entire second half. I think the more likely scenario if Cantu is traded is for Helms and Bonifacio to split time at 3B.

 

 

At some point you have to let the young kids play. All 3 of them may struggle, but they're not going to be up here because they could outproduce every other option. They're going to be up here to be able to outperform every option in a year or two, and years after that.

 

In a season where this team has astronomically low playoff chances, we're not losing anything meaningful if our youngsters aren't outhitting Ross & Cantu. But we are losing if we need to turn to them next year and they haven't gotten a chance to get comfortable at the major league level.

[Hotcorner]

especially for Maybin I think. I think he's always done pretty well in AAA, we've just got to let him get the at-bats against the big boys and see if he can figure it out.

[sgleason02]

Personally, I don't see Coghlan moving to the infield until next season. Right now, we're thin on major league ready OF'ers. With our starting CF on the trading block, our RF'er a 20-year-old rookie hitting .231, our 4th OF being a utility player who's spent more time in the minor leagues than the majors this season, and our two best minor league options being a guy who couldn't cut it in the 1st half and was demoted and a guy who's never looked at a major league pitch, I don't think you touch the only guy solidifying a starting spot in the OF.

 

If you trade Cody AND move Coghlan to the infield, that means choosing TWO everyday OF'ers and a 4th OF'er from the likes of Maybin, Morrison, Bonifacio, and Carroll, while in the meantime, depending on Stanton performing well enough to stay up for the entire second half. I think the more likely scenario if Cantu is traded is for Helms and Bonifacio to split time at 3B.

 

 

At some point you have to let the young kids play. All 3 of them may struggle, but they're not going to be up here because they could outproduce every other option. They're going to be up here to be able to outperform every option in a year or two, and years after that.

 

In a season where this team has astronomically low playoff chances, we're not losing anything meaningful if our youngsters aren't outhitting Ross & Cantu. But we are losing if we need to turn to them next year and they haven't gotten a chance to get comfortable at the major league level.

 

I agree with this IF the FO decides to go into full-blown sell/re-build mode. However, by only placing Cantu and Ross on the market at this time, it appears the FO would still like to be competitive and isn't quite ready to throw in the towel. So, for now, I can't see them trying to be competitive with Stanton plus two of Maybin, Morrison, Bonifacio, and Carroll as full time OF'ers.

[Sirspud]

Personally, I don't see Coghlan moving to the infield until next season. Right now, we're thin on major league ready OF'ers. With our starting CF on the trading block, our RF'er a 20-year-old rookie hitting .231, our 4th OF being a utility player who's spent more time in the minor leagues than the majors this season, and our two best minor league options being a guy who couldn't cut it in the 1st half and was demoted and a guy who's never looked at a major league pitch, I don't think you touch the only guy solidifying a starting spot in the OF.

 

If you trade Cody AND move Coghlan to the infield, that means choosing TWO everyday OF'ers and a 4th OF'er from the likes of Maybin, Morrison, Bonifacio, and Carroll, while in the meantime, depending on Stanton performing well enough to stay up for the entire second half. I think the more likely scenario if Cantu is traded is for Helms and Bonifacio to split time at 3B.

 

 

At some point you have to let the young kids play. All 3 of them may struggle, but they're not going to be up here because they could outproduce every other option. They're going to be up here to be able to outperform every option in a year or two, and years after that.

 

In a season where this team has astronomically low playoff chances, we're not losing anything meaningful if our youngsters aren't outhitting Ross & Cantu. But we are losing if we need to turn to them next year and they haven't gotten a chance to get comfortable at the major league level.

 

I agree with this IF the FO decides to go into full-blown sell/re-build mode. However, by only placing Cantu and Ross on the market at this time, it appears the FO would still like to be competitive and isn't quite ready to throw in the towel. So, for now, I can't see them trying to be competitive with Stanton plus two of Maybin, Morrison, Bonifacio, and Carroll as full time OF'ers.

 

I believe the team worries more about the perception of this team trying to win more than they believe that this team can actually win. This team obviously has an eye on the popularity of the team with the stadium opening coming up. Uggla is a popular player, and for some reason casual fans find it harder to accept a popular player being traded at the deadline than in the offseason, when there is less attention. I live near TB, and people would not shut up about Kazmir being traded last year even though he was doing horrible and his replacement actually pitched better.