Erick Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Anyone can get a "save" with a 3-run lead in the 9th. I'd like to see our highest paid reliever in franchise history pitch in the more important situations. Tie game = more important than coming in to "save" a 3-run lead. Where is this 3-run lead coming from? I mean, unless you're speaking hypothetically. In which case, it's still filling in your role. Give it up already about the money for god sakes. It's the middle of the season, how much money he's making is hardly relevant. Blame the FO if you don't like his paycheck. Point is he's the closer, and just because he's making a high percentage of the payroll doesn't mean he's expected more. He's expected exactly what you expect out of your closer. that doesn't mean you overuse him because you're overpaying him. That logic is moronic. The only thing that's "moronic" is saying that it'd be more efficient to use him in save situations only (this includes 3-run leads), and not use him at all when the game is tied in the 9th, etc., unless if it's absolutely necessary. Because...uh..."we gotta have faith in everyone in the bullpen." Pretty sure no team uses that "logic." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Nice backing argument. I refute your claim by stating my claim and calling yours stupid because nobody 'uses that logic'. We have a very good bullpen. A guy like Burke Badenhop is completely capable of holding that game down, and he wasn't being used. It's not like we are throwing the game away... with exceptions to Randy Choate (which obviously we know why), any single pitcher we have is fully capable of taking an inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Nice backing argument. I refute your claim by stating my claim and calling yours stupid because nobody 'uses that logic'. We have a very good bullpen. A guy like Burke Badenhop is completely capable of holding that game down, and he wasn't being used. It's not like we are throwing the game away... with exceptions to Randy Choate (which obviously we know why), any single pitcher we have is fully capable of taking an inning. Burke Badenhop can save a game, as well; he can definitely get a bunch of saves when he has a 3-run lead to work with. What's your point? Just because all of our relievers are capable of getting outs doesn't mean we should not use our best one, first, in a tied game, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I love how Leo used to not be the best pitcher in the bullpen in your opinion and now he's clearly the best. They're all capable of getting outs, so in order to use them effectively you should use them in proper increments. There's no need to call on Leo unless you've ran out of pitchers because you do end up using him out of his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Is Leo Nunez a better pitcher than Burke Badenhop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I love how Leo used to not be the best pitcher in the bullpen in your opinion and now he's clearly the best. They're all capable of getting outs, so in order to use them effectively you should use them in proper increments. There's no need to call on Leo unless you've ran out of pitchers because you do end up using him out of his role. It's certainly debatable; I never said, otherwise. And the second part still makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overhed Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Hate to derail the "discussion", but boy, I really thought this thread had jinxed Leo's "perfection" during today's game... :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 They need to invent a stat category for "almost blown" saves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustN61 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I personally hope leo beats k-rod's save record. Then we can trade him for a real haul. And we'll have probably won the east. Its a win/win. Bc webb or hensley will be the next closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ren83 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 i still think he should be traded, we need a startet pitcher more than anything. i dont trust him at all, it makes me nervous every time he comes into the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted May 15, 2011 Author Share Posted May 15, 2011 i still think he should be traded, we need a startet pitcher more than anything. i dont trust him at all, it makes me nervous every time he comes into the game Who do you want him traded for? It's very easy to say "trade him for starting pitching" without actually coming up with a way to make that happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Team needs aside, it doesn't even make much sense to trade him, at this point. Truth be told, he's arguably been our best reliever, and the bullpen would look rather mediocre, at this point, without him. -Hensley's injured and was a disappointment when healthy (perhaps because of the injury) -I like Dunn a lot, but his control issues are too extreme to trust him on a consistent basis. -Webb doesn't have swing and a miss stuff/allows way too many baserunners to be pitching at the end of games, consistently. -Mujica's been good, but he's prone to giving up the long ball. -Brian Sanches seems like the type of guy who wouldn't be the same, given a different role in more high-leverage situations. -Badenhop is who he is; a nice long/middle reliever who shouldn't pitch much in high leverage situations, due to his struggles against lefties. -Choate is who he is; a lefty specialist, nothing more. We don't really have a Mike Adams/Luke Gregerson situation, at the moment, to say: "well, we have holes to fill; lets trade our closer." We don't have dominant middle relievers; we have middle relievers who we can mix-and-match with to make things look better, as a whole. With that said, Dunn has upside, Ceda is dominating in AAA, and we have guys like Marinez, etc. who certainly have backend of the bullpen stuff. I doubt Leo is here much longer, but then again I was surprised they were willing to pay him what they paid him this offseason. Not that he's overpaid, but the Marlins have never done that for a reliever before. Perhaps they liked his peripherals, or perhaps they just liked his stuff and felt like he could get even better...either way, they certainly have shown plenty of patience with Leo. Heck, with payroll rising next year, it would probably surprise me less if they took on his raise in arb. again, and brought him back another year. Personally, I'd love to see him have a great year to trade him in the offseason. As nice as the 14/14 # is, he still hasn't been dominant, by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 All sounds very familiar :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 All sounds very familiar :| Well, I am not a doctor; how was I supposed to know that Clay Hensley would trip and fall down a flight of stairs as you actually said would happen? :banghead EDIT: PS - If Mike Dunn gets injured in a bar fight, you're banned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustN61 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Yeah. This screams trading for max value and I'm feeling that with Leo. They'll be able to spend that money on keeping Anibal here and get another starting pitcher on the price range as javier this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 All sounds very familiar :| Well, I am not a doctor; how was I supposed to know that Clay Hensley would trip and fall down a flight of stairs as you actually said would happen? :banghead EDIT: PS - If Mike Dunn gets injured in a bar fight, you're banned! I better get a lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Yeah. This screams trading for max value and I'm feeling that with Leo. They'll be able to spend that money on keeping Anibal here and get another starting pitcher on the price range as javier this year. I'd imagine that's the priority right now; Anibal looks better than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flasportsfan88 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 If Ceda keeps throwing strikes in AAA and eventually here we might finally have the dominating bullpen arm we need. But who would he replace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Ask the good doctor. He seals their fates in the good book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 He will replace the one Edward Mujica when the constellation cancer falls behind the sun. But only for but three days. Of course, I'm not a fortune teller. I'm an unlicensed doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBCMarlinsFan Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 The Marlins finally have a bullpen that can lock down games pretty consistently and some of you would love to blow it up. Awesome. A quick way to turn this season around would be to trade Leo Nunez. The bullpen is strong, but we do not have the depth to replace him. And whomever we got in return for him almost assuredly would be building up our prospect depth, not the major league depth chart. At this point the Marlins should be looking to add, not subtract. So that means they should keep Leo for this season at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 The Marlins finally have a bullpen that can lock down games pretty consistently and some of you would love to blow it up. Awesome. A quick way to turn this season around would be to trade Leo Nunez. The bullpen is strong, but we do not have the depth to replace him. And whomever we got in return for him almost assuredly would be building up our prospect depth, not the major league depth chart. At this point the Marlins should be looking to add, not subtract. So that means they should keep Leo for this season at the very least. Loria's always been in love with Heath Bell, it seems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 He gets the save but sure doesnt make it look pretty...any stats for 1-2-3 innings anyone can look up? Leo would know one if it bit him in the kishter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 All sounds very familiar :| Well, I am not a doctor; how was I supposed to know that Clay Hensley would trip and fall down a flight of stairs as you actually said would happen? :banghead EDIT: PS - If Mike Dunn gets injured in a bar fight, you're banned! I better get a lawyer. Calling mystikooooooooooooooool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 He gets the save but sure doesnt make it look pretty...any stats for 1-2-3 innings anyone can look up? Leo would know one if it bit him in the kishter They're called ESPN game logs, and you do it manually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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