All Stars Announced

[I Love Me Some Fish]

American League

Starters

1B: Adrian Gonzalez, Red Sox

2B: Robinson Cano, Yankees

3B: Alex Rodriguez, Yankees

SS: Derek Jeter, Yankees

OF: Jose Bautista, Blue Jays

OF: Curtis Granderson, Yankees

OF: Josh Hamilton, Rangers

DH: David Ortiz, Red Sox

C: Alex Avila, Tigers

 

Reserves

1B: Miguel Cabrera, Tigers

2B: Howard Kendrick, Angels

3B: Adrian Beltre, Rangers

SS: Asdrubal Cabrera, Indians

OF: Michael Cuddyer, Twins

OF: Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox

OF: Matt Joyce, Rays

OF: Carlos Quentin, White Sox

DH: Michael Young, Rangers

C: Russell Martin, Yankees

C: Matt Wieters, Orioles

 

Pitchers

RHP: Josh Beckett, Red Sox

RHP: Felix Hernandez, Mariners

LHP: David Price, Rays

RHP: James Shields, Rays

RHP: Justin Verlander, Tigers

RHP: Jered Weaver, Angels

LHP: C.J. Wilson, Rangers

LHP: Gio Gonzalez, Athletics

RHP: Aaron Crow, Royals

RHP: Brandon League, Mariners

RHP: Chris Perez, Indians

RHP: Mariano Rivera, Yankees

RHP: Jose Valverde, Tigers

 

 

National League

Starters

1B: Prince Fielder, Brewers

2B: Rickie Weeks, Brewers

SS: Jose Reyes, Mets

3B: Placido Polanco, Phillies

OF: Lance Berkman, Cardinals

OF: Ryan Braun, Brewers

OF: Matt Kemp, Dodgers

C: Brian McCann, Braves

 

Reserves

1B: Gaby Sanchez, Marlins

1B: Joey Votto, Reds

2B: Brandon Phillips, Reds

3B: Chipper Jones, Braves

SS: Starlin Castro, Cubs

SS: Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies

OF: Jay Bruce, Reds

OF: Matt Holliday, Cardinals

OF: Hunter Pence, Astros

OF: Justin Upton, D-backs

C: Yadier Molina, Cardinals

 

Pitchers

RHP: Matt Cain, Giants

RHP: Roy Halladay, Phillies

LHP: Cole Hamels, Phillies

RHP: Jair Jurrjens, Braves

LHP: Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers

LHP: Cliff Lee, Phillies

RHP: Tim Lincecum, Giants

RHP: Ryan Vogelsong, Giants

RHP: Heath Bell, Padres

RHP: Tyler Clippard, Nationals

RHP: Joel Hanrahan, Pirates

LHP: Jonny Venters, Braves

RHP: Brian Wilson, Giants

 

 

 

 

Felix over Pineda?

 

 

And the NL outfield is loaded.

[Michael]

Paul Konerko got snubbed

As did Mark Teixeira it seems :blink: Tex is having a great year.

 

And Jeter "starting"... well if he returns before ASB fine but...

[Erick]

American League

Starters

1B: Adrian Gonzalez, Red Sox

2B: Robinson Cano, Yankees

3B: Alex Rodriguez, Yankees

SS: Derek Jeter, Yankees

OF: Jose Bautista, Blue Jays

OF: Curtis Granderson, Yankees

OF: Josh Hamilton, Rangers

DH: David Ortiz, Red Sox

C: Alex Avila, Tigers

 

Reserves

1B: Miguel Cabrera, Tigers

2B: Howard Kendrick, Angels

3B: Adrian Beltre, Rangers

SS: Asdrubal Cabrera, Indians

OF: Michael Cuddyer, Twins

OF: Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox

OF: Matt Joyce, Rays

OF: Carlos Quentin, White Sox

DH: Michael Young, Rangers

C: Russell Martin, Yankees

C: Matt Wieters, Orioles

 

Pitchers

RHP: Josh Beckett, Red Sox

RHP: Felix Hernandez, Mariners

LHP: David Price, Rays

RHP: James Shields, Rays

RHP: Justin Verlander, Tigers

RHP: Jered Weaver, Angels

LHP: C.J. Wilson, Rangers

LHP: Gio Gonzalez, Athletics

RHP: Aaron Crow, Royals

RHP: Brandon League, Mariners

RHP: Chris Perez, Indians

RHP: Mariano Rivera, Yankees

RHP: Jose Valverde, Tigers

 

 

National League

Starters

1B: Prince Fielder, Brewers

2B: Rickie Weeks, Brewers

SS: Jose Reyes, Mets

3B: Placido Polanco, Phillies

OF: Lance Berkman, Cardinals

OF: Ryan Braun, Brewers

OF: Matt Kemp, Dodgers

C: Brian McCann, Braves

 

Reserves

1B: Gaby Sanchez, Marlins

1B: Joey Votto, Reds

2B: Brandon Phillips, Reds

3B: Chipper Jones, Braves

SS: Starlin Castro, Cubs

SS: Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies

OF: Jay Bruce, Reds

OF: Matt Holliday, Cardinals

OF: Hunter Pence, Astros

OF: Justin Upton, D-backs

C: Yadier Molina, Cardinals

 

Pitchers

RHP: Matt Cain, Giants

RHP: Roy Halladay, Phillies

LHP: Cole Hamels, Phillies

RHP: Jair Jurrjens, Braves

LHP: Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers

LHP: Cliff Lee, Phillies

RHP: Tim Lincecum, Giants

RHP: Ryan Vogelsong, Giants

RHP: Heath Bell, Padres

RHP: Tyler Clippard, Nationals

RHP: Joel Hanrahan, Pirates

LHP: Jonny Venters, Braves

RHP: Brian Wilson, Giants

 

 

 

 

Felix over Pineda?

 

 

And the NL outfield is loaded.

 

 

Both should probably be there, but I probably would've picked Felix too.

 

Vogelsong over Anibal and other pitchers in the NL makes a lot less sense.

[Michael]

Agree with you, Erick, Vogelsong is having a good year but not all-star worthy. However, doubtful he'll even be used (same with Anibal had he been picked) so who knows.

[Admin]

It's a shame that the AL first base field is so crowded that Konerko can't make the team. Hopefully he'll get the fan vote.

[Rabbethan]

I knew Ani (or Gaby) would get snubbed with Bochy picking.

[Admin]

I knew Ani (or Gaby) would get snubbed with Bochy picking.

 

Neither deserved to make the team outright, so it's hard to blame Bochy.

[Michael]

At the same time - perhaps Anibal or Leo could make it, if one of those starters (the Giants and Phils both have a chance of this) go on the Sunday before the ASG, since the ruling is they can't pitch in the game if they started on that Sunday. So, all hope is not lost!

[MVPosey]

At the same time - perhaps Anibal or Leo could make it, if one of those starters (the Giants and Phils both have a chance of this) go on the Sunday before the ASG, since the ruling is they can't pitch in the game if they started on that Sunday. So, all hope is not lost!

 

Cain and Hamels both pitch Sunday... Tommy Hanson would be a shoo-in for one of those spots, but he's pitching too...so those spots should go to Ian Kennedy (best SP that didn't make the team) and Sergio Romo (38K/4BB, 0.85 WHIP)

If it wasn't for injuries we'd have at least 7 all stars... Posey, Sandoval, and Freddy Sanchez all likely would've made it

[Michael]

At the same time - perhaps Anibal or Leo could make it, if one of those starters (the Giants and Phils both have a chance of this) go on the Sunday before the ASG, since the ruling is they can't pitch in the game if they started on that Sunday. So, all hope is not lost!

 

Cain and Hamels both pitch Sunday... Tommy Hanson would be a shoo-in for one of those spots, but he's pitching too...so those spots should go to Ian Kennedy (best SP that didn't make the team) and Sergio Romo (38K/4BB, 0.85 WHIP)

Or Craig Kimbrel. Also having an amazing year.

[Rabbethan]

I knew Ani (or Gaby) would get snubbed with Bochy picking.

 

Neither deserved to make the team outright, so it's hard to blame Bochy.

Ani was on the bubble (and better than some who made it) but Gaby has been the 3rd best 1B in the league, behind Votto and Fielder (with Pujols injured). Maybe Helton has been better but he doesn't play as often as Gaby.

[Anonymous]

All I can say is I hate the All Star game. How Derek Jeter made it on the team let alone as a starter is unbelievable.

[Hammerhead]

All I can say is I hate the All Star game. How Derek Jeter made it on the team let alone as a starter is unbelievable.

 

He always does. Fans.

[Admin]

I knew Ani (or Gaby) would get snubbed with Bochy picking.

 

Neither deserved to make the team outright, so it's hard to blame Bochy.

Ani was on the bubble (and better than some who made it) but Gaby has been the 3rd best 1B in the league, behind Votto and Fielder (with Pujols injured). Maybe Helton has been better but he doesn't play as often as Gaby.

Who on the roster is worse than Anibal? Maybe one could make a case for Vogelsong, but only because he has less IP (if you ignore that, Vogelsong has been more impressive). Other than that, there are possibly 7-8 other starting pitchers out there who should have been on the roster before Anibal. He wasn't even close to making it on his own merits, because NL starting pitching has been that damn good.

 

As for Gaby, being 3rd best at a position (and I would also argue that Michael Morse has been as good, his only drawback is less PA), isn't enough to earn a spot outright. Ask Paul Konerko how the third best first basemen can be treated.

 

If MLB didn't have a rule in place, you wouldn't see any Marlins on the squad.

[Rabbethan]

I knew Ani (or Gaby) would get snubbed with Bochy picking.

 

Neither deserved to make the team outright, so it's hard to blame Bochy.

Ani was on the bubble (and better than some who made it) but Gaby has been the 3rd best 1B in the league, behind Votto and Fielder (with Pujols injured). Maybe Helton has been better but he doesn't play as often as Gaby.

Who on the roster is worse than Anibal? Maybe one could make a case for Vogelsong, but only because he has less IP (if you ignore that, Vogelsong has been more impressive). Other than that, there are possibly 7-8 other starting pitchers out there who should have been on the roster before Anibal. He wasn't even close to making it on his own merits, because NL starting pitching has been that damn good.

 

As for Gaby, being 3rd best at a position (and I would also argue that Michael Morse has been as good, his only drawback is less PA), isn't enough to earn a spot outright. Ask Paul Konerko how the third best first basemen can be treated.

 

If MLB didn't have a rule in place, you wouldn't see any Marlins on the squad.

I would ask Konerko, and he he would tell me he was the 3rd 1B on the team last year. And It's a little harder with the AL because they have a second position filled with bad defensive 1B in the DH.

 

There are always 3 first basemen, if not 4. Not since 2005 (when the rosters were smaller), have there been less than 3 1B on the NL team, and in all but one of the years since, there have been 4. Gaby earned his ticket.

 

As far as Ani, maybe you're right. He's 10th in WAR but I don't like WAR.

[GoFishGoMs628]

This just shows why the All-Star game shouldn't be picked by the fans.

[Rabbethan]

This just shows why the All-Star game shouldn't be picked by the fans.

 

 

 

In my opinion, it's more why the ASG shouldn't actually matter. If the fans want to see an aging, declining Derek Jeter playing SS, they should get it. The ASG is supposed to be for the fans.

 

But it sure as hell shouldn't pick anything.

[GoFishGoMs628]

This just shows why the All-Star game shouldn't be picked by the fans.

 

 

 

In my opinion, it's more why the ASG shouldn't actually matter. If the fans want to see an aging, declining Derek Jeter playing SS, they should get it. The ASG is supposed to be for the fans.

 

But it sure as hell shouldn't pick anything.

 

Thats true Rab, it is in fact for the fans.

 

I never liked it deciding who had home field though for the WS, I think that should go on season record. (Was that how it was before?)

[MVPosey]

This just shows why the All-Star game shouldn't be picked by the fans.

 

 

 

In my opinion, it's more why the ASG shouldn't actually matter. If the fans want to see an aging, declining Derek Jeter playing SS, they should get it. The ASG is supposed to be for the fans.

 

But it sure as hell shouldn't pick anything.

 

Thats true Rab, it is in fact for the fans.

 

I never liked it deciding who had home field though for the WS, I think that should go on season record. (Was that how it was before?)

no they rotated between AL and NL hosting for 100 years...

I'm okay with Jeter being there... there's a place in the All Star game for guys who maybe haven't had the best years, even are over the hill, but are the biggest names and future hall of famers...name value should be as important a factor as who's had the best couple months....as long as someone who's having an amazing season doesn't get bumped off the team because of it, it's fine, and since nobody truly deserving got bumped, I'm ok...

So Cole Hamels and Matt Cain are pitching Sunday... since Hamels was a player selection, this spot goes to the next on the list, which is Kevin f***ing Correia... Matt Cain's spot is Bochy's pick... Since TOmmy Hanson is pitching SUnday as well, he doesn't get that spot, so the best starting pitcher for that spot would obviously be Ian Kennedy

[mystikol87]

This just shows why the All-Star game shouldn't be picked by the fans.

 

 

 

In my opinion, it's more why the ASG shouldn't actually matter. If the fans want to see an aging, declining Derek Jeter playing SS, they should get it. The ASG is supposed to be for the fans.

 

But it sure as hell shouldn't pick anything.

 

Thats true Rab, it is in fact for the fans.

 

I never liked it deciding who had home field though for the WS, I think that should go on season record. (Was that how it was before?)

no they rotated between AL and NL hosting for 100 years...

I'm okay with Jeter being there... there's a place in the All Star game for guys who maybe haven't had the best years, even are over the hill, but are the biggest names and future hall of famers...name value should be as important a factor as who's had the best couple months....as long as someone who's having an amazing season doesn't get bumped off the team because of it, it's fine, and since nobody truly deserving got bumped, I'm ok...

So Cole Hamels and Matt Cain are pitching Sunday... since Hamels was a player selection, this spot goes to the next on the list, which is Kevin f***ing Correia... Matt Cain's spot is Bochy's pick... Since TOmmy Hanson is pitching SUnday as well, he doesn't get that spot, so the best starting pitcher for that spot would obviously be Ian Kennedy

 

Correia isn't even the best starting pitcher to get snubbed on his team. That would be Jeff Karstens, who has been extremely lucky himself. While WAR isn't perfect, neither pitcher is worth more than 1 WAR.

And Ian Kennedy's 3.38 ERA is nothing mind-blowing.

Kyle Lohse, Jordan Zimmerman, and Shawn Marcum all have better ERAs and better WHIPs. Wins are not nearly the most important thing when judging a pitcher. Anibal Sanchez has a better winning percentage, anyway.

[Admin]

I knew Ani (or Gaby) would get snubbed with Bochy picking.

 

Neither deserved to make the team outright, so it's hard to blame Bochy.

Ani was on the bubble (and better than some who made it) but Gaby has been the 3rd best 1B in the league, behind Votto and Fielder (with Pujols injured). Maybe Helton has been better but he doesn't play as often as Gaby.

Who on the roster is worse than Anibal? Maybe one could make a case for Vogelsong, but only because he has less IP (if you ignore that, Vogelsong has been more impressive). Other than that, there are possibly 7-8 other starting pitchers out there who should have been on the roster before Anibal. He wasn't even close to making it on his own merits, because NL starting pitching has been that damn good.

 

As for Gaby, being 3rd best at a position (and I would also argue that Michael Morse has been as good, his only drawback is less PA), isn't enough to earn a spot outright. Ask Paul Konerko how the third best first basemen can be treated.

 

If MLB didn't have a rule in place, you wouldn't see any Marlins on the squad.

I would ask Konerko, and he he would tell me he was the 3rd 1B on the team last year. And It's a little harder with the AL because they have a second position filled with bad defensive 1B in the DH.

 

There are always 3 first basemen, if not 4. Not since 2005 (when the rosters were smaller), have there been less than 3 1B on the NL team, and in all but one of the years since, there have been 4. Gaby earned his ticket.

 

As far as Ani, maybe you're right. He's 10th in WAR but I don't like WAR.

I don't think it's that simple. A lot of times it's the strength of the field of candidates that swells the 1B position to 4 spots, including a lot of other factors. Last year, it was pretty hard to have a roster without Pujols, Gonzalez, and Votto. And Votto only made the team because of the fan vote; Howard was only there because he was one of Charlie's guys. So really, there were only three 1B candidates "selected" and 2 were lighting the world on fire and one was a biased pick.

 

This year the 1B field has been pretty weak with Pujols injured and Gonzalez now in the AL. Votto and Fielder are really the only locks, which tells me that Bochy could have gone with two first basemen and used Gaby's roster spot on another position (say for example, McCutchen). In other words, having 3-4 firstbasemen, despite being common in recent years, doesn't appear to be a necessity but more fueled by the talent pool any given year.

 

And unless you place a strong emphasis upon PA (which admittedly makes some sense), I still contend that Michael Morse might deserve to be there just as much as Gaby does.

[Admin]

This just shows why the All-Star game shouldn't be picked by the fans.

 

 

 

In my opinion, it's more why the ASG shouldn't actually matter. If the fans want to see an aging, declining Derek Jeter playing SS, they should get it. The ASG is supposed to be for the fans.

 

But it sure as hell shouldn't pick anything.

 

Thats true Rab, it is in fact for the fans.

 

I never liked it deciding who had home field though for the WS, I think that should go on season record. (Was that how it was before?)

no they rotated between AL and NL hosting for 100 years...

I'm okay with Jeter being there... there's a place in the All Star game for guys who maybe haven't had the best years, even are over the hill, but are the biggest names and future hall of famers...name value should be as important a factor as who's had the best couple months....as long as someone who's having an amazing season doesn't get bumped off the team because of it, it's fine, and since nobody truly deserving got bumped, I'm ok...

So Cole Hamels and Matt Cain are pitching Sunday... since Hamels was a player selection, this spot goes to the next on the list, which is Kevin f***ing Correia... Matt Cain's spot is Bochy's pick... Since TOmmy Hanson is pitching SUnday as well, he doesn't get that spot, so the best starting pitcher for that spot would obviously be Ian Kennedy

Are those the guys Bochy actually wanted?

 

There are several SPs better than Correia and Kennedy not on the roster, including Anibal Sanchez.

 

I think Jordan Zimmermann has been the most snubbed pitcher.

[Rabbethan]

I don't think it's that simple. A lot of times it's the strength of the field of candidates that swells the 1B position to 4 spots, including a lot of other factors. Last year, it was pretty hard to have a roster without Pujols, Gonzalez, and Votto. And Votto only made the team because of the fan vote; Howard was only there because he was one of Charlie's guys. So really, there were only three 1B candidates "selected" and 2 were lighting the world on fire and one was a biased pick.

 

This year the 1B field has been pretty weak with Pujols injured and Gonzalez now in the AL. Votto and Fielder are really the only locks, which tells me that Bochy could have gone with two first basemen and used Gaby's roster spot on another position (say for example, McCutchen). In other words, having 3-4 firstbasemen, despite being common in recent years, doesn't appear to be a necessity but more fueled by the talent pool any given year.

 

And unless you place a strong emphasis upon PA (which admittedly makes some sense), I still contend that Michael Morse might deserve to be there just as much as Gaby does.

 

I disagree. Gaby has been, by just about every measurement, one of the 21 top players in the NL (that's how many position players there are). And yeah, to me it matter that Gaby's had almost 100 more PA than Morse.

 

McCutchen should have been on the roster, but that has less to do with Gaby and more to do with Carlos Beltran (or Chipper Jones if you don't care about position).

[Admin]

I don't think it's that simple. A lot of times it's the strength of the field of candidates that swells the 1B position to 4 spots, including a lot of other factors. Last year, it was pretty hard to have a roster without Pujols, Gonzalez, and Votto. And Votto only made the team because of the fan vote; Howard was only there because he was one of Charlie's guys. So really, there were only three 1B candidates "selected" and 2 were lighting the world on fire and one was a biased pick.

 

This year the 1B field has been pretty weak with Pujols injured and Gonzalez now in the AL. Votto and Fielder are really the only locks, which tells me that Bochy could have gone with two first basemen and used Gaby's roster spot on another position (say for example, McCutchen). In other words, having 3-4 firstbasemen, despite being common in recent years, doesn't appear to be a necessity but more fueled by the talent pool any given year.

 

And unless you place a strong emphasis upon PA (which admittedly makes some sense), I still contend that Michael Morse might deserve to be there just as much as Gaby does.

 

I disagree. Gaby has been, by just about every measurement, one of the 21 top players in the NL (that's how many position players there are). And yeah, to me it matter that Gaby's had almost 100 more PA than Morse.

 

McCutchen should have been on the roster, but that has less to do with Gaby and more to do with Carlos Beltran (or Chipper Jones if you don't care about position).

Come on, you know better than that.

 

Being one of the top 21 position players doesn't mean anything when you factor in the less offensively packed positions (C, SS, 2B, etc.). If you took the top 21 position players, the team wouldn't have a second baseman. Gaby plays at the elite offensive position. His numbers are solid for his position, but not all-star worthy. In fact, his numbers are only a tad bit better than they were this time last year (he's hit a few more home runs, which elevated his SLG). He wasn't in the picture last year because there was more competition and Pujols was healthy. In fact, I think that if Pujols were healthy this season, we would have seen Anibal getting picked instead.

 

You need to think about how he's performed on a relative scale. Given his position and his numbers, he might be on the bubble, but probably shouldn't make the team outright.

[MVPosey]

This just shows why the All-Star game shouldn't be picked by the fans.

 

 

 

In my opinion, it's more why the ASG shouldn't actually matter. If the fans want to see an aging, declining Derek Jeter playing SS, they should get it. The ASG is supposed to be for the fans.

 

But it sure as hell shouldn't pick anything.

 

Thats true Rab, it is in fact for the fans.

 

I never liked it deciding who had home field though for the WS, I think that should go on season record. (Was that how it was before?)

no they rotated between AL and NL hosting for 100 years...

I'm okay with Jeter being there... there's a place in the All Star game for guys who maybe haven't had the best years, even are over the hill, but are the biggest names and future hall of famers...name value should be as important a factor as who's had the best couple months....as long as someone who's having an amazing season doesn't get bumped off the team because of it, it's fine, and since nobody truly deserving got bumped, I'm ok...

So Cole Hamels and Matt Cain are pitching Sunday... since Hamels was a player selection, this spot goes to the next on the list, which is Kevin f***ing Correia... Matt Cain's spot is Bochy's pick... Since TOmmy Hanson is pitching SUnday as well, he doesn't get that spot, so the best starting pitcher for that spot would obviously be Ian Kennedy

Are those the guys Bochy actually wanted?

 

There are several SPs better than Correia and Kennedy not on the roster, including Anibal Sanchez.

 

I think Jordan Zimmermann has been the most snubbed pitcher.

Correia is the one that gets the spot because he was the top vote getter by the players not on the roster... since Hamels was a players choice, his spot automatically goes to Correia

For Kennedy, he's just my personal opinion as the best starting pitcher not on the roster (next to Hanson, since he's not eligible for Cain's spot since he's pitching sunday)