He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher

It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday.

he should at least be 50 50. buck is just plain worthless as a hitter. hayes should at least be given a chance to see if he can keep it up.

He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher

 

 

He is not.

Why the f*** do we keep talking about this

I'm not a huge Buck fan, but the pitchers really seem to like him. Considering how well the rotation's been doing, I really don't want to shake things up.

He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher

 

 

He is not.

 

I didnt know we could get any worse then buck

He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher

 

 

He is not.

 

I didnt know we could get any worse then buck

Mike Rabelo

It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday.

 

It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday.

 

Ozzie just proved he doesn't care about who's making what when he demoted Bell and put Cishek in the closer role. Hayes is a better player. I think it's a matter of time before Hayes is the starter. And I will throw my own personal party when it happens.

It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday.

 

It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday.

 

Ozzie just proved he doesn't care about who's making what when he demoted Bell and put Cishek in the closer role. Hayes is a better player. I think it's a matter of time before Hayes is the starter. And I will throw my own personal party when it happens.

That's not necessarily the case. First, we don't really know who has what input in those decisions between Ozzie, Loria, and Beinfest. Second, he did give Heath Bell a pretty long leash, suggesting that he protected him because he's the big-money, free-agent closer acquisition.

It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday.

 

It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday.

 

Ozzie just proved he doesn't care about who's making what when he demoted Bell and put Cishek in the closer role. Hayes is a better player. I think it's a matter of time before Hayes is the starter. And I will throw my own personal party when it happens.

That's not necessarily the case. First, we don't really know who has what input in those decisions between Ozzie, Loria, and Beinfest. Second, he did give Heath Bell a pretty long leash, suggesting that he protected him because he's the big-money, free-agent closer acquisition.

 

The only other thing I would add is that the closer position is a compeltely different world then an everyday catcher. I would venture to say that a closer can have the most Timely direct consequence to a game more often than say an everyday player. The position of closer is more violation in nature then a catcher thats why you will see a shorter leash on someone in that position. I'm sure if it continues on and on something will be done.

 

Ozzie said this on the forth, taken from an article Clark spencer did.

 

   "I'm not going to bench a guy that got three hits," Guillen said of Hayes. "I've got to take advantage of that. He's going to play everyday? I don't think so. He's going to get more playing time? Yeah. But he's not my everyday catcher. I've got to continue to have confidence in Buck. I think he can still help us. It's too early to unplug people. That's not fair."

That's not necessarily the case. First, we don't really know who has what input in those decisions between Ozzie, Loria, and Beinfest. Second, he did give Heath Bell a pretty long leash, suggesting that he protected him because he's the big-money, free-agent closer acquisition.

 

And Buck hasn't been given a long leash since he got here? He's been terrible since arriving. He doesn't hit, he doesn't throw out runners, and his game calling is replaceable. If Ozzie has any opinion about who to play which obviously he does because of what has happened with Bell especially this early in the year, I see Buck on the bench soon.

Brett Hayes, in the second half of last season, when he started playing more often: .205/.275/.356

 

He's a textbook case of a backup having a few good games before getting badly exposed by more playing time. He's simply not very good.

 

Brett Hayes is striking out in 34% of his at bats. Starter!

That's not necessarily the case. First, we don't really know who has what input in those decisions between Ozzie, Loria, and Beinfest. Second, he did give Heath Bell a pretty long leash, suggesting that he protected him because he's the big-money, free-agent closer acquisition.

 

And Buck hasn't been given a long leash since he got here? He's been terrible since arriving. He doesn't hit, he doesn't throw out runners, and his game calling is replaceable. If Ozzie has any opinion about who to play which obviously he does because of what has happened with Bell especially this early in the year, I see Buck on the bench soon.

I wasn't saying Buck is good or bad; you're changing the argument. Even if we take Buck's struggles as a given, the handling of the Heath Bell situation does not necessarily show that Ozzie doesn't care who makes what [salary].

 

As to the last sentence, it's possible that, for example, Beinfest is pulling the strings regarding the Bell situation and Ozzie is the spokesman.

 

Bottom line: you could be right, but you have no real evidence at the moment.

No, we should not. He is not better than Buck. Put the fatigue of every day duties on him and he will diminish.

There was a thread on this subject around this time last season as well.....

Brett Hayes, in the second half of last season, when he started playing more often: .205/.275/.356

 

He's a textbook case of a backup having a few good games before getting badly exposed by more playing time. He's simply not very good.

 

Brett Hayes is striking out in 34% of his at bats. Starter!

 

 

I have noticed this as well. It seems that when he gets more playing time after having some good games he just tanks with the bat.

 

If he can become more consistent then he may challenge buck.

 

Hard to believe we still have buck for next year too. The sad thing is buck has a lot of pop but hasn't got a clue at the plate this year.

 

I always love when he lifts his arms up like he's about to get hit and it's strike three. looks like an idiot.

He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher

 

 

He is not.

 

I didnt know we could get any worse then buck

Mike Rabelo

 

John Baker

 

But back to the original theme. Hayes has been having a hot bat. When your offense is spinning it's wheels, you go with the hot hand. Buck is a far better catcher in every way. Not our long term answer, but better than what we have otherwise.

Buck is better than Hayes...

BTW, does anybody know when we'll have Realmuto in the bigs?

Buck cant throw, period.

BTW, does anybody know when we'll have Realmuto in the bigs?

 

 

 

Obviously depends how he progresses, but probably 2014-2015. I would imagine he gets the full season of high-A, then at least a year between AA/AAA.

 

They handle everyone a little differently of course, good thing so far is that he appears to have a pretty good idea at the plate, and he's a good athlete.

BTW, does anybody know when we'll have Realmuto in the bigs?

 

 

 

Obviously depends how he progresses, but probably 2014-2015. I would imagine he gets the full season of high-A, then at least a year between AA/AAA.

 

They handle everyone a little differently of course, good thing so far is that he appears to have a pretty good idea at the plate, and he's a good athlete.

I thought it was gonna be earlier...Buck is signed through next year and unless he changes drastically I don't see a reason as to why we should resign him...

Buck cant throw, period.

 

 

Actually, with a different pitching staff, Buck was a sniper.

To answer the question in the title...

 

No.

 

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