FloridaMarlinsForever Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroFishOne Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2r09 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 he should at least be 50 50. buck is just plain worthless as a hitter. hayes should at least be given a chance to see if he can keep it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher He is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan88 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Why the f*** do we keep talking about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 I'm not a huge Buck fan, but the pitchers really seem to like him. Considering how well the rotation's been doing, I really don't want to shake things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlinsForever Posted May 5, 2012 Author Share Posted May 5, 2012 He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher He is not. I didnt know we could get any worse then buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher He is not. I didnt know we could get any worse then buck Mike Rabelo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday. It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday. Ozzie just proved he doesn't care about who's making what when he demoted Bell and put Cishek in the closer role. Hayes is a better player. I think it's a matter of time before Hayes is the starter. And I will throw my own personal party when it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday. It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday. Ozzie just proved he doesn't care about who's making what when he demoted Bell and put Cishek in the closer role. Hayes is a better player. I think it's a matter of time before Hayes is the starter. And I will throw my own personal party when it happens. That's not necessarily the case. First, we don't really know who has what input in those decisions between Ozzie, Loria, and Beinfest. Second, he did give Heath Bell a pretty long leash, suggesting that he protected him because he's the big-money, free-agent closer acquisition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroFishOne Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday. It's really not that simple when your paying Buck big money to catch and there's no guarantee that Hayes will keep it going. He looked horrible at the plate last night and wasn't defensively great either even though he has been pretty good this years, especially throwing out runner.. At the moment, Hayes Brings more but you arent going to see him starting everyday. Ozzie just proved he doesn't care about who's making what when he demoted Bell and put Cishek in the closer role. Hayes is a better player. I think it's a matter of time before Hayes is the starter. And I will throw my own personal party when it happens. That's not necessarily the case. First, we don't really know who has what input in those decisions between Ozzie, Loria, and Beinfest. Second, he did give Heath Bell a pretty long leash, suggesting that he protected him because he's the big-money, free-agent closer acquisition. The only other thing I would add is that the closer position is a compeltely different world then an everyday catcher. I would venture to say that a closer can have the most Timely direct consequence to a game more often than say an everyday player. The position of closer is more violation in nature then a catcher thats why you will see a shorter leash on someone in that position. I'm sure if it continues on and on something will be done. Ozzie said this on the forth, taken from an article Clark spencer did. Â Â "I'm not going to bench a guy that got three hits," Guillen said of Hayes. "I've got to take advantage of that. He's going to play everyday? I don't think so. He's going to get more playing time? Yeah. But he's not my everyday catcher. I've got to continue to have confidence in Buck. I think he can still help us. It's too early to unplug people. That's not fair." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 That's not necessarily the case. First, we don't really know who has what input in those decisions between Ozzie, Loria, and Beinfest. Second, he did give Heath Bell a pretty long leash, suggesting that he protected him because he's the big-money, free-agent closer acquisition. And Buck hasn't been given a long leash since he got here? He's been terrible since arriving. He doesn't hit, he doesn't throw out runners, and his game calling is replaceable. If Ozzie has any opinion about who to play which obviously he does because of what has happened with Bell especially this early in the year, I see Buck on the bench soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Brett Hayes, in the second half of last season, when he started playing more often: .205/.275/.356 He's a textbook case of a backup having a few good games before getting badly exposed by more playing time. He's simply not very good. Brett Hayes is striking out in 34% of his at bats. Starter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 That's not necessarily the case. First, we don't really know who has what input in those decisions between Ozzie, Loria, and Beinfest. Second, he did give Heath Bell a pretty long leash, suggesting that he protected him because he's the big-money, free-agent closer acquisition. And Buck hasn't been given a long leash since he got here? He's been terrible since arriving. He doesn't hit, he doesn't throw out runners, and his game calling is replaceable. If Ozzie has any opinion about who to play which obviously he does because of what has happened with Bell especially this early in the year, I see Buck on the bench soon. I wasn't saying Buck is good or bad; you're changing the argument. Even if we take Buck's struggles as a given, the handling of the Heath Bell situation does not necessarily show that Ozzie doesn't care who makes what [salary]. As to the last sentence, it's possible that, for example, Beinfest is pulling the strings regarding the Bell situation and Ozzie is the spokesman. Bottom line: you could be right, but you have no real evidence at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 No, we should not. He is not better than Buck. Put the fatigue of every day duties on him and he will diminish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 There was a thread on this subject around this time last season as well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Brett Hayes, in the second half of last season, when he started playing more often: .205/.275/.356 He's a textbook case of a backup having a few good games before getting badly exposed by more playing time. He's simply not very good. Brett Hayes is striking out in 34% of his at bats. Starter! I have noticed this as well. It seems that when he gets more playing time after having some good games he just tanks with the bat. If he can become more consistent then he may challenge buck. Hard to believe we still have buck for next year too. The sad thing is buck has a lot of pop but hasn't got a clue at the plate this year. I always love when he lifts his arms up like he's about to get hit and it's strike three. looks like an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 He's better with the bat then Buck, (duh..) and he is 3-1 in throwing out runners, good aim and overall a better catcher. Just make Buck the backup catcher He is not. I didnt know we could get any worse then buck Mike Rabelo John Baker But back to the original theme. Hayes has been having a hot bat. When your offense is spinning it's wheels, you go with the hot hand. Buck is a far better catcher in every way. Not our long term answer, but better than what we have otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinscuba Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Buck is better than Hayes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinscuba Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 BTW, does anybody know when we'll have Realmuto in the bigs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlinsForever Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 Buck cant throw, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 BTW, does anybody know when we'll have Realmuto in the bigs? Obviously depends how he progresses, but probably 2014-2015. I would imagine he gets the full season of high-A, then at least a year between AA/AAA. They handle everyone a little differently of course, good thing so far is that he appears to have a pretty good idea at the plate, and he's a good athlete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinscuba Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 BTW, does anybody know when we'll have Realmuto in the bigs? Obviously depends how he progresses, but probably 2014-2015. I would imagine he gets the full season of high-A, then at least a year between AA/AAA. They handle everyone a little differently of course, good thing so far is that he appears to have a pretty good idea at the plate, and he's a good athlete. I thought it was gonna be earlier...Buck is signed through next year and unless he changes drastically I don't see a reason as to why we should resign him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Buck cant throw, period. Actually, with a different pitching staff, Buck was a sniper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 To answer the question in the title... No. /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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