Yes I know it seems like Yahoo sports has a hard on for the Marlins, but this article reminds me of why it sometimes really sucks to be a Marlins fanhttp://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--marlins-owner-jeffrey-loria-personally-mandated-lineup-change-150755500.html

Jeff Passan sucks.

Not a Passan fan either, but I doubt he's making any of that up.

 

We're never going to be successful again with Loria calling the shots. That's a fact.

during the twins series, the twins broadcasters had brought up this issue in game 1.

OK who's surprised? the worse owner in MLB.

Kind of fitting, considering Loria thinks he's George Steinbrenner, except he won't actually spend to win.

Wonder what "..." or David has to say about this?

 

Funny that it was actually colder for the first game in the day. I'm fine with protecting Jose but hell make the decision earlier.

Just another log to throw in the bonfire that douche Loria is turning this season into... Good read but sad to think that there is no hope for this clown to learn and improve as an owner.

 

So sick of this guy... Just am wondering if MLB will jump in and intervene on the behalf of the ball club or fans. Smh.

Remove the "tator" and add a K, and your thread's title would be more accurate.

Wonder what "..." or David has to say about this?

 

 

He shouldn't have anything to say about it because he doesn't own the team.

Kind of fitting, considering Loria thinks he's George Steinbrenner, except he won't actually spend to win.

 

 

Yup, signing Delgado in '05 (4 years/52 mill) was a fiction and he didn't actually spend 100 mill last year alone after signing Reyes (6 years/106 mill,) Buehrle (4 years/58 mill) and Bell (3 years/27 mill.) He never did those things. And he never signed Ramirez (6 years/70 mill) or JJ (4 years/39 mill) or Nolasco (3 years, 26.5 mill,) or Buck (3 years/18 mill.)

 

One can argue that various contracts were bad deals or bad ideas, but one cannot argue that 40% of a billion dollars in long-term contracts never were offered and signed.

 

Unless, of course, your sole object is to propagate Loria-hatred via idiotic, false statements.

Wonder what "..." or David has to say about this?

 

He shouldn't have anything to say about it because he doesn't own the team.Joke

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Your head.

lawl?

Wonder what "..." or David has to say about this?

 

He shouldn't have anything to say about it because he doesn't own the team.Joke

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Your head.

 

To the contrary, I think that my remark went over your head.

 

Maybe mystikol will explain to you why this is the case.

Kind of fitting, considering Loria thinks he's George Steinbrenner, except he won't actually spend to win.

 

 

Yup, signing Delgado in '05 (4 years/52 mill) was a fiction and he didn't actually spend 100 mill last year alone after signing Reyes (6 years/106 mill,) Buehrle (4 years/58 mill) and Bell (3 years/27 mill.) He never did those things. And he never signed Ramirez (6 years/70 mill) or JJ (4 years/39 mill) or Nolasco (3 years, 26.5 mill,) or Buck (3 years/18 mill.)

 

One can argue that various contracts were bad deals or bad ideas, but one cannot argue that 40% of a billion dollars in long-term contracts never were offered and signed.

 

Unless, of course, your sole object is to propagate Loria-hatred via idiotic, false statements.

 

 

 

And what percentage of those "commitments" did Loria & Co acutally pay out? Many of those deals (Delgado, Reyes, Buehrle, Ramirez) were heavily backloaded...so their new teams paid out the overwhelming majority of the dollars. Other than Ricky Nolaosco...not a single one of those players has made to the final year of their contract as a Marlin.

 

Don't get me wrong, I get...for the most part...why Loria does what he does. But I don't have to like it...and 95% of the fan base agrees with me.

Why did he even hire Red if he's going to micromanage field decisions?

 

Seriously, how much worse is this year going to get? Loria and his little troll are an embarrassment.

Kind of fitting, considering Loria thinks he's George Steinbrenner, except he won't actually spend to win.

 

 

Yup, signing Delgado in '05 (4 years/52 mill) was a fiction and he didn't actually spend 100 mill last year alone after signing Reyes (6 years/106 mill,) Buehrle (4 years/58 mill) and Bell (3 years/27 mill.) He never did those things. And he never signed Ramirez (6 years/70 mill) or JJ (4 years/39 mill) or Nolasco (3 years, 26.5 mill,) or Buck (3 years/18 mill.)

 

One can argue that various contracts were bad deals or bad ideas, but one cannot argue that 40% of a billion dollars in long-term contracts never were offered and signed.

 

Unless, of course, your sole object is to propagate Loria-hatred via idiotic, false statements.

 

 

 

There's a difference between signing contracts and actually paying them out, as opposed to trading those guys later. The only person who will even come close to fulfilling his contract for the Marlins is Nolasco, but even he may not make it if he gets traded in June or July.

 

Delgado played 1 of four total years here under that contract, same with Reyes, Buehrle, and Bell. JJ at least played most of that out. Hanley served the longest of these contracts, making it 4 of 7 years.

 

But when you look at this track record you end up with a pattern of Loria signing players to contracts with clearly no intention of paying out the full deal.

I wonder if Redmond is kicking himself for not ignoring Loria just as Ozzie did? He's in a bad situation and I wouldn't blame him if he had refused to go along with Loria. There's no reason to think Loria won't do this again to Redmond in the future. It will be interesting to see how Redmond handles it a second time.

Kind of fitting, considering Loria thinks he's George Steinbrenner, except he won't actually spend to win.

 

 

Yup, signing Delgado in '05 (4 years/52 mill) was a fiction and he didn't actually spend 100 mill last year alone after signing Reyes (6 years/106 mill,) Buehrle (4 years/58 mill) and Bell (3 years/27 mill.) He never did those things. And he never signed Ramirez (6 years/70 mill) or JJ (4 years/39 mill) or Nolasco (3 years, 26.5 mill,) or Buck (3 years/18 mill.)

 

One can argue that various contracts were bad deals or bad ideas, but one cannot argue that 40% of a billion dollars in long-term contracts never were offered and signed.

 

Unless, of course, your sole object is to propagate Loria-hatred via idiotic, false statements.

 

 

 

There's a difference between signing contracts and actually paying them out, as opposed to trading those guys later. The only person who will even come close to fulfilling his contract for the Marlins is Nolasco, but even he may not make it if he gets traded in June or July.

 

Delgado played 1 of four total years here under that contract, same with Reyes, Buehrle, and Bell. JJ at least played most of that out. Hanley served the longest of these contracts, making it 4 of 7 years.

 

But when you look at this track record you end up with a pattern of Loria signing players to contracts with clearly no intention of paying out the full deal.

 

 

 

One could make the argument that because all the contracts are so heavily backloaded and the staunch refusal to even consider no trade clauses, that these deals are offerfed as little more than an attempt to garner good will with the fanbase with every intention of offloading them as soon as possible.

I don't get why Loria doesn't just go all out and fire Beinfest/Hill/Redmond and take over as Owner-GM-Manager? He practically does it anyway and it would save him money!

Why did he even hire Red if he's going to micromanage field decisions?

 

Seriously, how much worse is this year going to get? Loria and his little troll are an embarrassment.

 

 

because he's new & pretty much has to sit & take it. think someone like Tony LaRussa would?

What happened to one of those intrepid few who put Loria in his place? Getting fired was probably one of the best things to happen to Joe Girardi.

you end up with a pattern of Loria signing players to contracts with clearly no intention of paying out the full deal.

 

Total BS. You know no such thing and neither does anyone else. Not to mention that most deals in MLB are back-loaded and most don't have no-trade clauses.

 

He dumped Degado and the rest of the core because the fans didn't show up.

 

He dumped Reyes, et al because the fans didn't show up.

 

They have consistently said that payroll will be dictated by revenue. Every time he sticks his neck out and spends big, fans don't show up, revenue disappoints and they lose a lot of money. Old stadium, new stadium, doesn't matter.

 

Whining about Loria is a waste of time, he ain't selling. The problem is revenue, not Loria. Loria could sell tomorrow and the fans still wouldn't show up even if God bought the club.

 

So you and the rest of your ilk here and generally in south Florida are going to be frustrated for many more years. But isn't 10 years of whining and complaining about Loria enough?

 

Maybe it's time to complain about the fans. Or the sportswriters. Or to buy a ticket. That last possibility actually directly affects revenue and therefore Loria.

you end up with a pattern of Loria signing players to contracts with clearly no intention of paying out the full deal.

 

Total BS. You know no such thing and neither does anyone else. Not to mention that most deals in MLB are back-loaded and most don't have no-trade clauses.

 

He dumped Degado and the rest of the core because the fans didn't show up.

 

He dumped Reyes, et al because the fans didn't show up.

 

They have consistently said that payroll will be dictated by revenue. Every time he sticks his neck out and spends big, fans don't show up, revenue disappoints and they lose a lot of money. Old stadium, new stadium, doesn't matter.

 

Whining about Loria is a waste of time, he ain't selling. The problem is revenue, not Loria. Loria could sell tomorrow and the fans still wouldn't show up even if God bought the club.

 

So you and the rest of your ilk here and generally in south Florida are going to be frustrated for many more years. But isn't 10 years of whining and complaining about Loria enough?

 

Maybe it's time to complain about the fans. Or the sportswriters. Or to buy a ticket. That last possibility actually directly affects revenue and therefore Loria.But the people making the baseball decisions haven't given us a playoff appearance since 03, so why should we expect anything to come out of increased revenue?

There's a difference between "winning season" and "championship season," and most people need to realize that. 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009 were winning seasons. 2006 the team was in the playoff picture before collapsing in September. People didn't show up at any time during those seasons.